IRC logs of #shogun for Tuesday, 2011-05-31

--- Log opened Tue May 31 00:00:46 2011
blackburngood student :)00:03
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Daniel___I have a question about the typemaps for two dimensional arrays.  Why is it that they only appear to deal with translating the first dimmension of a two dimmensional array and not the second?13:09
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blackburn2 to go15:13
blackburnerr15:13
blackburn115:13
serialhexhey, whats up blackburn??18:31
blackburnserialhex: hey18:32
blackburnhave passed 2 exams, another one to go tomorrow18:32
blackburnand will have some 'rest' till 9 of June :)18:33
serialhexsweet!! i was wondering what that "2 to go err 1" was...18:33
serialhexcool, what it is like a summer simester?18:33
blackburn^ don't understand18:33
serialhexahh, here you typically have 2 simesters, one in the fall & one in the spring, then there are also (optionally) 2 summer simesters18:34
blackburnah18:35
blackburnwell my spring semester is over now18:35
blackburnand now I'm having pass-fail exams or so18:35
serialhexderr... semester !!  i was spelling it wrong!18:35
blackburnwith no grade18:35
serialhexcool18:35
blackburntotally 7 of this type18:35
blackburnlast one to go tomorrow18:35
blackburnthen from 10 I will be passing exams with grades18:36
blackburnparticularly 10,16,2218:36
blackburnof June18:36
serialhexahh, ok... so it's just exams18:36
blackburnyeap18:36
serialhexi'm taking some classes over the summer, so i can get some decient grades and maybe some financial aid!!!18:37
serialhex(and maybe some spelling aid cause i need it today!)18:37
blackburnwe here don't have any summer classes provided by universities18:37
blackburnand btw no optional classes or so :D18:37
serialhexahh, ok18:37
serialhexreally?  you just pick a major & take courses X Y & Z??18:38
blackburnyeap18:38
blackburnold soviet system hehe18:38
serialhexhmm, here you always have options, there are some 'core' courses you *HAVE* to take, but then you have electives & stuff18:39
blackburnyeah, I know18:39
blackburnit is europe way too, as I know18:39
blackburnmy friend is studying in Czech rep.18:39
serialhexyeah, you should try and get a scholarship to come here & study somewhere!18:39
blackburnand moreover we don't use 'major' and 'minor'18:40
serialhexit's just called 'im doing X' or something?18:40
blackburnit is called speciality or so18:40
serialhexahh, ok18:41
blackburnwell I'm studying in one of three groups of 'Applied mathematics and computer science'18:41
blackburn*if it is right translation*18:41
serialhexsounds good18:41
blackburnon my department we also have 'applied mathematics and physics' and etc18:42
serialhexcool18:42
serialhexi've gotta figure out why these freaking typemaps aren't loading up!18:43
blackburnI have figured that my LLE was incorrect :)18:46
serialhexreally?  whats wrong?18:46
blackburnat least pictures I posted into mailing list was wrong18:46
blackburnissue with matrix storage18:46
serialhexhmm, ok18:47
* serialhex goes & looks for pics18:47
blackburnI returned matrix row-by-row18:47
blackburnbut it should be column-by-column18:47
blackburnserialhex: yesterday I was playing with it a little18:47
blackburn http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10139213/share/3d-initial.png18:47
blackburnhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/10139213/share/3d-transformed.png18:47
blackburnfilename speaks for itself18:48
blackburn:)18:48
@bettyboo^_^18:48
serialhexahh, i see18:48
blackburnit is right way now18:49
serialhexcool coo18:49
blackburnbut now it looks worse :D18:49
serialhexl18:49
serialhexheh, code can't always be pretty!18:49
blackburnI mean found manifold embedding is worse18:49
blackburnbut anyway it was erroreous18:49
blackburnehh not that word18:50
blackburnI hope you'll understand ^)18:50
serialhexerroneous (sp?) means it has errors18:50
serialhexis that what you mean?18:51
blackburnyeap18:51
serialhexok, cool18:51
serialhexyeah, thats the right spelling!18:52
serialhexYAY i kan spel!!! :D18:52
blackburnamerikun huh :)18:53
serialhexyep, i be an amerikun!!18:53
blackburnehhh I'm too lazy to prepare for tomorrow test18:54
serialhexehh, i almost never study18:55
blackburntoday in test there was questions like18:56
blackburn'Which organization provides standard for cables' or so18:56
blackburnwith answer TIA/EIA, damn18:56
blackburnstrange way to test students :D18:57
serialhexhmm, i've never heard of either of those, i guess it's different here in the us18:57
blackburnit is about RJ-45, Ethernet, etc18:57
blackburnTIA/EIA some-numbers-and-letters is standard for RJ-4518:57
blackburnTIA/EIA-548-B hehe18:58
blackburn56818:58
serialhexahh, i see18:58
serialhexyeah we use RJ-45 clips & the cable is CAT-5 or CAT-5e (or if you're really spiffy, CAT-6!!)18:59
blackburneveryone uses18:59
blackburnand was questions like what STP is19:00
blackburnand so on19:00
serialhexyeah, that'd make sense, then everyones networks can easily talk to each other19:00
serialhexSTP: spike-timing plasticity19:00
blackburnhehe19:00
serialhexstone temple pilots19:00
serialhexan automotive oil company'19:00
serialhexerm.... there more :P19:00
blackburnshielded twisted pair19:00
serialhexwhatev!!  it sepends on who you're asking!19:01
blackburnaha19:01
serialhexit depends on who you're asking too :P19:01
serialhexi want a third monitor!19:02
blackburnwhy? I have one and it is ok :)19:02
serialhexcause i like the space it provides me!  i'd like to fit this window on a third monitor so i can chat & work & look at stuff all at the same time19:03
serialhexok, stupid C Q - WTF does the -> mean in this code: len = RARRAY($input)->len;19:04
blackburnwhat it is? ;)19:04
blackburnwell -> is used just like .19:05
serialhexi was kinda hoping you wouldnt ask that Q... :(19:05
blackburnthe only difference : -> is called for pointers19:05
serialhexlike . in python or ruby?  so like object.do_thingy19:05
blackburnyeap19:05
blackburnit is equal to (*object).some_do_thingy()19:06
blackburnbut ^ looks ugly so -> is used19:06
serialhexso it'd be object->do_thingy()19:07
blackburnyeap19:07
blackburnjust like dot for pointers19:07
serialhexok...  i'm starting to not like pointers19:07
serialhexi understand it probably makes the code faster, but they are WAY annoying!!!19:07
blackburnwell it is not difficult at all just some habits19:08
serialhexyeah, and i have a habit of no pointers :P19:08
blackburnif we used garbage collecting instead of pointers - it would be sloooooow19:09
serialhexyeah, i can understand19:15
serialhexhey brb, laundry!19:15
blackburnok19:15
@sonney2kcongrats blackburn and best of luck for #320:10
blackburnsonney2k: thanks, #3 will be easy as #1 :)20:10
blackburn#2 was harder - ~50% haven't passed20:11
blackburnsonney2k: how are you?20:11
@sonney2kahh ok so piece of cake for you20:11
@sonney2kvery good :)20:11
blackburntomorrow will be heading home hehe20:13
blackburnsonney2k: how are Jan?20:16
CIA-32shogun: Daniel Matthew Korn master * re0c6f7a / src/csharp_modular/swig_typemaps.i : Added the SGMatrix Typemap - http://bit.ly/kxkygt20:17
@sonney2kblackburn, he is lying next to me and sleeping20:17
blackburnwow20:17
@sonney2kgained about 1 kg of weight by now20:17
blackburnwork flows :) csharp modular20:17
blackburnnice20:17
blackburnsonney2k: can you recommend some textbook about bioinformatics?20:29
@sonney2kblackburn, machine learning & bioinformatics or just biology :D20:29
blackburnfirst of course20:29
@sonney2kfor biology The Cell20:29
blackburnThe Cell is a journal?20:30
@sonney2kblackburn, no a big book20:30
blackburnsonney2k: I just want to know what you guys are doing :D20:30
@sonney2khttp://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=10338&ttype=220:30
@sonney2kwe have a chapter in there too (rather old though now I think)20:31
blackburnI think no chance I will do it too :(20:31
@sonney2k?20:32
blackburnI mean I have no chance to do bioinformatics as my bachelor's work or so20:32
@sonney2kapart from that we have a small svm + biology tutorial20:32
@sonney2kI see20:32
@sonney2khttp://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.100017320:33
blackburnI have glanced over your PhD work a month ago20:35
@sonney2kgreat stuff isn't it ;-)20:36
blackburnexactly20:36
@sonney2kmost of the things are just simple20:36
blackburnsonney2k: is there any *not so hard* problems biased to mlearning with small bioinformatics issues?20:38
@sonney2kblackburn, that is exactly what I did :)20:39
blackburnsonney2k: hmm may be you could recommend me some problem to work on some day? ;)20:40
@sonney2kblackburn, if you are really interested in this you should talk to my former phd superviser...20:40
@sonney2kvisor...20:40
blackburnthe only problem - there are no people here with knowledge of *anything* about it20:41
blackburnso I don't know who could be my 'chief' here20:41
blackburnI'm a little pioneer in machine learning in my university :D20:44
@bettyboo:> blackburn20:44
blackburndamn how shity is our education system and so on20:44
blackburnsonney2k: btw who is your supervisor?20:47
@sonney2kgunnar raetsch20:48
blackburnoh it is gun of shogun, right?20:48
@sonney2ky20:48
blackburnsonney2k: is he watching what's going on with shogun?20:49
@sonney2kyes but he is overly busy currently20:54
blackburnI see20:55
blackburnwhen it comes to winter I will think about what work to do20:55
@sonney2kas a hobby or as a job?20:56
blackburnas bachelor's work :) anyway it should be some 'science'20:56
blackburnas for job I hope I will get some half-time work in netcracker corp. :) half-time is very good for me - some time for shoguning and some time for university studies20:57
@bettyboo<:*)20:58
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--- Log opened Tue May 31 21:13:30 2011
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serialhexZOMG!!! sonney2k YOU'RE ON PLOS!?!?!?!??!?!???!?!!?!!?!?21:36
@sonney2kserialhex, ?21:36
serialhexTHAT'S LIKE SPIFFY^AWESOME^ SWEET!!!!21:36
serialhexthe link up there: http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.100017321:36
* blackburn is not wondering at all :)21:37
serialhexi havn't really checked you out, but that's really cool, i didnt know you had articles published :D21:37
blackburnhehe21:38
serialhexand i *LOVE* plos!!!21:38
@sonney2kserialhex, well I have a PhD so I naturally publish(ed) things21:38
blackburnsurprise :)21:39
* serialhex just made that connection... feelse like a dunce :P21:39
serialhexwell i still think it's spiffy, and am going to have to read it!21:39
@sonney2kI guess it is as surprising for researchers that I can program a bit21:40
blackburna bit? :D21:40
@sonney2kso serialhex considers me to be the prgrammer and is now surprised about my double life :D21:40
serialhexyeah, weird huh? :P21:41
blackburnat night you are a programmer21:41
blackburnand normally you don't know C++21:41
blackburnhehe21:41
blackburndouble agent21:41
serialhexoh, btw, i havnt found a solution to the module not loading thing yet, but i was getting some errors while compiling for ruby 1.8.7 & 1.9.2 and i (think) i've fixed it, compiling now & testing 1.8.721:41
@sonney2kblackburn, you pointed out so many issues in shogun... I am just hoping it will be much better when the summer is over :D21:41
@sonney2kblackburn, yeah 00 shogun21:42
blackburnsonney2k: if a whole shogun with all these typemaps, 'core' is program 'a bit'21:42
blackburnwhen I don't know what is to program not a bit :)21:42
blackburnlet it be a big21:43
blackburn:D21:43
blackburnsonney2k: next summer shogun will became OS :D21:43
@sonney2kblackburn, and you will mentor this :D21:44
blackburnidea: Transform shogun into OS21:44
blackburnoh no I don't wanna became mentor, I'm too greedy :)21:44
@sonney2kmentor blackburn21:44
serialhexi think blackburn would be a good mentor!21:46
* sonney2k nods21:46
@sonney2ki think is is already some kind of mentor to all people in this channel21:47
serialhexyeah, he's helped me out a few times21:47
@sonney2ks/is/he21:47
@sonney2khe has helped me too21:47
@sonney2ka couple of times...21:48
* blackburn don't understand what these guys are talking about21:48
blackburn:)21:48
* sonney2k skoal blackburn!21:48
blackburnreally, I'd like to be a student for next gsoc if it is possible21:49
blackburnif things will be going well21:49
@sonney2knah I just noticed that we have a doctors appointment exactly when I scheduled the meeting tomorrow21:51
blackburnoh I forgot about it too21:51
@sonney2kblackburn, looks like 2 of the students didn't send progress reports21:51
blackburnsonney2k: should I kill they?21:52
blackburn:D21:52
@sonney2kblackburn, with one of the knives serialhex sells?21:52
blackburnsonney2k: with nuclear weapon!21:52
blackburnor a bear21:52
@sonney2kyeah that collaterial damage is acceptable21:53
@sonney2kblackburn, a drunken bear - vodka intoxicated ?21:53
blackburnsonney2k: well so should I launch missiles to UK and India?21:53
serialhexheh heh  drunken bear with knives!!! :P21:53
@bettyboo!21:53
blackburnsonney2k: yeap drunken bear is powerful21:53
blackburndrunken bear with nuclear missiles21:54
blackburnand knives21:54
blackburnsonney2k: you said eh..21:54
blackburnthat guy21:54
blackburnworking on online learning21:55
serialhexwow blackburn, that'd be insane!!! :D21:55
blackburnso that he is writing mails and everything is ok21:55
blackburnalesis-novik: hello! :)21:55
serialhexi think alesis-novik has disappeared :P22:06
blackburnhunging up with girls and vodka22:06
blackburnI don't sure I said something comprehensible ^ :D22:07
blackburnserialhex: is it ok to say this way?22:07
blackburnhey it is summer in russia already22:10
blackburn1st of June22:10
serialhexblackburn: it'd be better like this:22:11
serialhexhanging out with girls and vodka22:11
serialhexi'm not sure i said something comprehensible ^ :D22:11
serialhexand the rest is good22:11
blackburnoh ok22:11
blackburnat least I'm saying something one can comprehend :)22:12
serialhexyes indeed!  you're making less mistakes then you were when the chat first opened :D22:12
blackburnhave to go for some studies, later22:12
serialhexok, take care!22:13
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* blackburn is back23:31
blackburnsonney2k: I will be in car moving to toliatty at 14:00 UTC  :)23:32
@sonney2kblackburn, yeah perfect23:33
blackburnsonney2k: not so23:33
blackburnwell I will be home finally at ~16:30 UTC23:33
blackburnso I dk how to participate in meeting23:34
@sonney2kblackburn, in the end I only want to ask students  /mentors how far they got (compare that to schedule) and how we can improve workflow...23:34
blackburnsonney2k: well I'm saying what's on my mind right to you :)23:36
@sonney2kyeah I know23:36
blackburnsonney2k: btw about schedule - idk if it is very bad - but I don't have strict schedule by this moment23:37
@sonney2kgsoc is running for 1 week just now so don't panic23:38
blackburnit is just because I feel comfortable to make a short-term planning :)23:40
blackburnoh damn I have exam on parallel computing in 6 hrs hehe23:44
@sonney2kjust pass it :D23:48
@bettyboo:*)23:48
blackburnoh I hate MPI23:49
blackburnreally hate it :D23:49
blackburnthe most ugliest thing I worked with23:51
@sonney2kis openmp any better?23:52
blackburnI don't know, never used OpenMP23:53
blackburnfor some reason I don't like the idea of parallel computing but like concurrent23:54
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