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| kate_ | hi! i have some questions about shogun and the examples | 17:39 |
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| kate_ | on java and matlab | 17:40 |
| kate_ | ok somebody? anybody? | 17:46 |
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| blackburn | sonney2k: hey | 21:14 |
| blackburn | do you know when heiko would finish his work? | 21:15 |
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| kate_ | hello I a student at TEI of Crete and I have a 15pages project about machine learning and especially shogun. I found the information i needed for the theory part of the project but i have a problem understanding the code part and therefor using it in order to show i learn something. | 21:48 |
| kate_ | i | 21:48 |
| kate_ | II saw the examples but i have problem | 21:48 |
| kate_ | cause i can't understand what i have to do first before using them. | 21:49 |
| kate_ | If you can help i would be thankful | 21:49 |
| blackburn | kate_: hi, how can I help you? | 21:50 |
| blackburn | please be more precise what you have to do/ in which lang/ etc | 21:52 |
| kate_ | Hi! | 21:53 |
| kate_ | i would like to explain some of the code in the examples in matlab or java...more in matlab... | 21:54 |
| blackburn | are you tied with matlab? can you use e.g. python? | 21:55 |
| kate_ | yes...i don't know python, well i tried but got confused.. | 21:55 |
| kate_ | what i know is that it's not so different from java or C== | 21:56 |
| kate_ | C++* | 21:56 |
| blackburn | we only have static matlab interface so it is quite outdated | 21:56 |
| kate_ | so i believe with a little guidense | 21:56 |
| blackburn | but for python, java, etc we have modular interfaces | 21:56 |
| kate_ | ok if i use python | 21:57 |
| blackburn | kate_: ok did you compile shogun already? | 21:57 |
| kate_ | what application should i use? | 21:57 |
| kate_ | no | 21:57 |
| kate_ | ok | 21:57 |
| kate_ | thats the problem | 21:57 |
| kate_ | how i do that? | 21:57 |
| blackburn | what is os you are using? | 21:57 |
| kate_ | windows 7 | 21:57 |
| blackburn | oh | 21:58 |
| blackburn | have you any cygwin experience? | 21:58 |
| kate_ | no... | 21:58 |
| blackburn | the problem is we do not support windows w/o cygwin | 21:58 |
| kate_ | ok my partner has linux | 21:59 |
| kate_ | can we use him? | 21:59 |
| blackburn | linux is much more preferrable | 21:59 |
| blackburn | kate_: which linux? | 22:00 |
| blackburn | distribution I mean | 22:01 |
| kate_ | i can have ubuntu on mine on monday morning...but i don't know what he has and he is off right now... | 22:01 |
| blackburn | kate_: you have two ways still - install cygwin or use some linux | 22:01 |
| kate_ | install cygwin in win7? | 22:02 |
| blackburn | yes | 22:02 |
| kate_ | ok | 22:02 |
| kate_ | lets do the cygwin cause he is not here | 22:02 |
| blackburn | kate_: well it is pretty easy | 22:02 |
| kate_ | and i need to understand this tonight | 22:02 |
| kate_ | ok i don't mind | 22:02 |
| kate_ | as long as i don't bother you | 22:02 |
| blackburn | you don't | 22:03 |
| kate_ | thanks | 22:03 |
| kate_ | well! what do i do first? | 22:04 |
| blackburn | kate_: download cygwin first :) | 22:04 |
| blackburn | installer | 22:04 |
| blackburn | kate_: then you will have to install some packages | 22:06 |
| kate_ | ok i did | 22:06 |
| kate_ | when you say same packages | 22:07 |
| kate_ | can you be a little more specific? | 22:08 |
| blackburn | kate_: yes, you have to install gcc, g++, pkg-config, python, python-numpy | 22:09 |
| blackburn | hmm let me recall what else.. | 22:09 |
| kate_ | when it ask me for my internet connection | 22:10 |
| kate_ | i don't use anything ports like 80 right? | 22:10 |
| blackburn | kate_: I guess | 22:10 |
| kate_ | it says choose a site from the list or add your own link | 22:11 |
| kate_ | download link | 22:11 |
| kate_ | wrong download site(s) | 22:11 |
| blackburn | no idea.. | 22:12 |
| kate_ | ok | 22:12 |
| blackburn | are these sites mirrors? | 22:12 |
| kate_ | never mind | 22:12 |
| blackburn | choose some.. | 22:12 |
| kate_ | i m in the packages | 22:12 |
| kate_ | and yes they were | 22:12 |
| blackburn | kate_: this time check gcc, g++, pkg-config, python, python-numpy | 22:14 |
| kate_ | finishe | 22:24 |
| blackburn | kate_: what exactly you have to do? | 22:24 |
| kate_ | finish* | 22:24 |
| kate_ | next step | 22:24 |
| blackburn | oh sorry I forgot one more | 22:24 |
| blackburn | just run setup once again | 22:25 |
| kate_ | ok | 22:25 |
| kate_ | what package to type? | 22:25 |
| blackburn | kate_: lapack, git | 22:25 |
| blackburn | kate_: are you familiar with linux console commands, etc? | 22:27 |
| kate_ | the basics yes | 22:27 |
| blackburn | ok | 22:27 |
| blackburn | kate_: then run cygwin just after things get installed | 22:30 |
| kate_ | ok | 22:30 |
| blackburn | create some dir for shogun | 22:30 |
| blackburn | and do 'git clone git://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun.git' | 22:31 |
| kate_ | its still on setup | 22:34 |
| blackburn | ok | 22:34 |
| kate_ | i did the command and its cloning | 22:38 |
| kate_ | so i believe i m on the right path | 22:38 |
| blackburn | nice | 22:38 |
| kate_ | ok done | 22:40 |
| blackburn | cd shogun/src | 22:41 |
| blackburn | ./configure --interfaces=python_modular | 22:41 |
| kate_ | done | 22:42 |
| blackburn | did it run smooth? | 22:43 |
| kate_ | yes | 22:43 |
| kate_ | no errors | 22:43 |
| kate_ | no nothing | 22:43 |
| kate_ | ooo | 22:43 |
| kate_ | nono | 22:43 |
| kate_ | error pkg-config not detected | 22:43 |
| kate_ | ooo | 22:43 |
| kate_ | sorry my bad | 22:44 |
| blackburn | ok | 22:44 |
| blackburn | just install it | 22:44 |
| kate_ | its ok now | 22:53 |
| kate_ | it still cheking | 22:53 |
| kate_ | swig required | 22:53 |
| blackburn | damn sorry | 22:53 |
| blackburn | forgot it | 22:53 |
| kate_ | for modular iterfaces | 22:53 |
| kate_ | ok no prob | 22:53 |
| kate_ | type make now to compile | 22:57 |
| kate_ | i m listenong | 22:57 |
| kate_ | :D | 22:57 |
| kate_ | listening* | 22:57 |
| CIA-1 | shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * rc1a34bd / (9 files in 3 dirs): | 22:58 |
| CIA-1 | shogun: Merge pull request #349 from karlnapf/master | 22:58 |
| CIA-1 | shogun: merge heikos load_file_parameter code (+12 more commits...) - http://git.io/4iyzxQ | 22:58 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I don't know | 22:58 |
| @sonney2k | I would hope within a few weeks | 22:58 |
| blackburn | kate_: yes, do 'make' | 23:01 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: bad.. | 23:01 |
| @sonney2k | why? | 23:01 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I hope to start my paper submission asap | 23:02 |
| kate_ | -bash: make: command not found? | 23:02 |
| blackburn | kate_: oh.. | 23:02 |
| blackburn | you have to install it too.. | 23:03 |
| kate_ | what? the make? | 23:03 |
| blackburn | kate_: yes, I thought it is default | 23:03 |
| kate_ | ok | 23:04 |
| kate_ | i installed make | 23:06 |
| kate_ | make -C/examples | 23:06 |
| kate_ | tsc | 23:06 |
| kate_ | etc | 23:06 |
| kate_ | but | 23:06 |
| blackburn | ehm? | 23:06 |
| kate_ | bash ./generate_documented.sh | 23:07 |
| blackburn | do make in the shogun/src folder | 23:07 |
| blackburn | ah | 23:07 |
| kate_ | that's where it stoped | 23:07 |
| blackburn | you copypaste its output? | 23:07 |
| kate_ | yes | 23:07 |
| kate_ | i found the directory | 23:07 |
| blackburn | any error message? | 23:07 |
| blackburn | I guess it is in process | 23:07 |
| kate_ | no errors it just stopped... | 23:07 |
| kate_ | ooh ok | 23:07 |
| blackburn | you have to wait a little | 23:07 |
| kate_ | then i shall wait | 23:07 |
| kate_ | which place of the world are you? i m asking to because i wondering what time is it there.. | 23:08 |
| blackburn | kate_: Moscow timezone, 2-08 | 23:08 |
| blackburn | kate_: I'm in Toliatty, Russia | 23:09 |
| kate_ | aaah | 23:09 |
| kate_ | i m in greece | 23:09 |
| kate_ | here it's 00:09 | 23:09 |
| kate_ | you are 2 hours ahead... | 23:10 |
| blackburn | yes | 23:10 |
| blackburn | I guess you are in same timezone with sonney2k :) | 23:12 |
| kate_ | i dont know..where is he? | 23:12 |
| blackburn | Berlin | 23:12 |
| @sonney2k | 23:12 now :) | 23:12 |
| kate_ | no | 23:12 |
| blackburn | hmm | 23:12 |
| blackburn | wow | 23:12 |
| blackburn | I'm surprised and lame | 23:12 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:12 |
| kate_ | why? | 23:13 |
| blackburn | I thought it is in the same timezone | 23:13 |
| blackburn | kate_: are you from creet? | 23:13 |
| kate_ | i went to denmark in summer for a summerschool and for 3 days i thought i was in the same zone with athens | 23:14 |
| kate_ | no i m from a small island in aegean | 23:14 |
| kate_ | i study in crete | 23:14 |
| blackburn | ah | 23:14 |
| blackburn | I see | 23:14 |
| kate_ | its done | 23:15 |
| blackburn | I bet it is pretty interesting to live on islands :) | 23:15 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: will 'sudo make install' work in the cygwin? | 23:15 |
| @sonney2k | why sudo? | 23:15 |
| @sonney2k | just make install | 23:16 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: will it work ? | 23:16 |
| blackburn | kate_: try 'make install' | 23:16 |
| kate_ | its fun because you are surrounded by see but its not so pretty in the winter,, | 23:16 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I mean will it work without setting path | 23:16 |
| kate_ | it has an error | 23:16 |
| blackburn | kate_: which? | 23:16 |
| @sonney2k | IIRC you have to do make install DESTDIR- | 23:16 |
| @sonney2k | err: make install DESTDIR= | 23:16 |
| kate_ | classifier.ConjugateIndex.cpp.o Error 1 | 23:16 |
| blackburn | huh | 23:17 |
| kate_ | Makefile:39: recipe for target `libshogun-12.0.dll' failed make: *** [libshogun-12.0.dll] Error 2 | 23:17 |
| blackburn | kate_: thanks, you detected an error :) | 23:18 |
| kate_ | it has more | 23:18 |
| kate_ | aparently there are many Cblas.....something that ar undeclared | 23:19 |
| blackburn | kate_: yes I will fix it just now | 23:19 |
| kate_ | ok | 23:19 |
| blackburn | I introduced this classifier two days before | 23:19 |
| kate_ | oo | 23:19 |
| kate_ | thats interesting | 23:19 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: have you seen this classifier btw? | 23:19 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I've got 0.7 accuracy on my road signs dataset with HOG and Conjugate index classifier | 23:20 |
| blackburn | pretty useless hah | 23:20 |
| blackburn | GMNP has ~0.9 | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | GMNP? | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | you mean svm? | 23:20 |
| blackburn | yes | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | heh | 23:21 |
| @sonney2k | yeah hard to beat svms | 23:21 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: well convolutional NNs totally beat svms on such tasks | 23:21 |
| blackburn | kate_: you will have to do following | 23:21 |
| blackburn | git pull origin | 23:21 |
| blackburn | and configure once again | 23:22 |
| @sonney2k | yeah - but can you train a conv NN that does? | 23:22 |
| @sonney2k | maybe a git clean -dfx is missing? | 23:22 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I've never tried it | 23:22 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I have forgot to enclose my classifier with HAVE_LAPACK | 23:22 |
| blackburn | kate_: do git pull once I commit fix | 23:22 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, hmmhh don't we have a buildbot testing for that? | 23:23 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I didn't notice it accidentally | 23:23 |
| CIA-1 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r141080b / (2 files): Disable Conjugate Index classifier compilation without lapack/cblas - http://git.io/sgSZ-Q | 23:24 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I would like to see the result you get with a conv NN! | 23:24 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I would like to see it too | 23:25 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: do you think it would be difficult to train such classifier? | 23:25 |
| blackburn | kate_: here you go, do git pull origin | 23:25 |
| @sonney2k | I expect it will not work right from the start | 23:26 |
| @sonney2k | there are a couple of tricks that one has to pay attention too | 23:26 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I see | 23:27 |
| blackburn | I didn't get much time and motivation to try CNNs yet :( | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, In case you attempt it make sure to read http://yann.lecun.com/exdb/publis/pdf/lecun-98b.pdf | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | lots of tricks of the trade in there | 23:30 |
| blackburn | have you tried it? | 23:30 |
| kate_ | sorry | 23:32 |
| kate_ | but | 23:32 |
| kate_ | kernel error | 23:32 |
| kate_ | like that "kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:73: error: `CCommUlongStringKernel" | 23:32 |
| blackburn | kate_: what is the error? | 23:32 |
| kate_ | Makefile:39: recipe for target `libshogun-12.0.dll' failed | 23:32 |
| blackburn | below | 23:32 |
| blackburn | anything else? | 23:32 |
| kate_ | kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:39: error: expected `,' or `;' before '::' token kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:44: error: `CCommUlongStringKernel' has not been declared | 23:33 |
| kate_ | this is an example | 23:33 |
| kate_ | there are many of them | 23:33 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: "shuffle the training set ..." - NNs are crazy | 23:33 |
| kate_ | do you want me to copy and paste all of them? | 23:34 |
| blackburn | kate_: yeah that would help | 23:34 |
| kate_ | ernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp c++: unrecognized option `-pthread' kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent) In file included from kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:11: ../shogun/lib/common.h:48:8: warning: undefining "__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS" kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:19: error: `CCommUlongStringKernel' has not been declared kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:20: error: I | 23:34 |
| kate_ | ok | 23:34 |
| kate_ | wrong | 23:34 |
| kate_ | wait | 23:34 |
| kate_ | In file included from kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:11: ../shogun/lib/common.h:48:8: warning: undefining "__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS" kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:19: error: `CCommUlongStringKernel' has not been declared kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:20: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `CCommUlongStringK ernel' with no type kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp: In function `int C | 23:35 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: need your help there, I can't see any reason why it fails | 23:36 |
| kate_ | can i send you the errors in a txt file? | 23:36 |
| kate_ | its too big! | 23:37 |
| kate_ | In file included from kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:11: ../shogun/lib/common.h:48:8: warning: undefining "__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS" kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:19: error: `CCommUlongStringKernel' has not been declared kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:20: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `CCommUlongStringK ernel' with no type kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp: In function `int C | 23:37 |
| blackburn | kate_: I think that's enough | 23:37 |
| kate_ | kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:20: error: only constructors take base initializers kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:22: error: `properties' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp:22: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) | 23:37 |
| kate_ | ok | 23:37 |
| blackburn | kate_: well I have quick solution for that | 23:43 |
| kate_ | tell | 23:43 |
| kate_ | me | 23:43 |
| kate_ | please | 23:43 |
| blackburn | remove src/shogun/kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.cpp and src/shogun/kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.h | 23:43 |
| blackburn | you | 23:44 |
| blackburn | speak | 23:44 |
| blackburn | funny | 23:44 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:44 |
| kate_ | berofe i explain my funny talking (:D) i will do a quick question, should i install remove pkg? | 23:45 |
| blackburn | install what? | 23:46 |
| kate_ | remove | 23:46 |
| blackburn | I do not understand.. | 23:46 |
| kate_ | command...command did not found | 23:46 |
| blackburn | just remove files | 23:46 |
| blackburn | ah | 23:46 |
| blackburn | rm | 23:46 |
| blackburn | rm src/shogun/kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.* | 23:46 |
| blackburn | that's a lame fix but I think you won't need that kernel.. :) | 23:47 |
| kate_ | No such file or directory | 23:47 |
| blackburn | I guess you are already in src | 23:47 |
| blackburn | then just | 23:47 |
| blackburn | rm shogun/kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.* | 23:47 |
| blackburn | and make it | 23:47 |
| kate_ | ok now | 23:47 |
| kate_ | and i will do make again? | 23:48 |
| blackburn | yes | 23:48 |
| blackburn | I hope there won't be such errors | 23:48 |
| blackburn | no idea why it appears on cygwin | 23:48 |
| kate_ | c++: unrecognized option `-pthread' ui/GUIHMM.cpp:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent) In file included from ../shogun/io/SGIO.h:25, from ../shogun/base/SGObject.h:15, from ../shogun/ui/GUIHMM.h:16, from ui/GUIHMM.cpp:12: | 23:51 |
| kate_ | ../shogun/lib/common.h:48:8: warning: undefining "__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS" make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../shogun/kernel/CommUlongStringKernel.h', needed by `ui/GUIKer nel.cpp.o'. Stop. | 23:51 |
| kate_ | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Kate/shogun/src/shogun' Makefile:39: recipe for target `libshogun-12.0.dll' failed make: *** [libshogun-12.0.dll] Error 2 | 23:52 |
| blackburn | ok sure | 23:52 |
| blackburn | do git clean -dfx | 23:52 |
| blackburn | and ./configure --interfaces=python_modular | 23:52 |
| blackburn | and make | 23:52 |
| blackburn | sorry for such inconvenience - we don't like cygwin too much :) | 23:53 |
| kate_ | no worries... | 23:54 |
| blackburn | but in fact it compiles on our buildbot.. | 23:54 |
| kate_ | i should have change to linux 15 months now | 23:54 |
| blackburn | I consider linux to be more convenient for some tasks such as do machine learning :) | 23:59 |
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