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| CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rb3f83a0 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Introduced rejection strategies for MC machines - http://git.io/vQ7q_g | 00:30 |
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| CIA-64 | shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r8d450fe / (7 files in 3 dirs): | 09:34 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Merge pull request #378 from iglesias/master | 09:34 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Mahalanobis distance example - http://git.io/Umq8eA | 09:34 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r48fcd9f / src/shogun/features/DotFeatures.h : fix minor documentation error - http://git.io/DVDukw | 09:52 |
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| blackburn | dirtiest elections e-v-e-r | 14:08 |
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| blackburn | wiking: http://cs11063.vk.com/u3917169/-14/y_5e263c75.jpg | 17:07 |
| blackburn | elections as it is haha | 17:08 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : russia? | 17:38 |
| blackburn | vikram360: exactly | 17:38 |
| vikram360 | they say putin's gonna win super easily | 17:38 |
| blackburn | with such falsification - he will | 17:39 |
| blackburn | actually w/o such cheating - no way, I can tell it for sure :) | 17:40 |
| blackburn | e.g. they denied me to elect today :) | 17:40 |
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| Ram108 | blackburn: hi hw r u? | 17:41 |
| blackburn | Ram108: fine, and you? | 17:41 |
| Ram108 | lol great :) | 17:41 |
| Ram108 | been studying svm lol :P | 17:42 |
| Ram108 | support vector machines for pattern classification by shigeo abe..... | 17:43 |
| Ram108 | lol the math is kinnof confusing lol | 17:43 |
| blackburn | not sure I've read it earlier | 17:43 |
| Ram108 | no issues i ll get it over a couple of iterations :) | 17:44 |
| Ram108 | oh hmmm :) lol | 17:44 |
| Ram108 | i have a more general doubt.... | 17:44 |
| Ram108 | does google employ people with skill set in machine learning? | 17:45 |
| Ram108 | i d so love to work for google probably abt half a decade later wen i become good at it | 17:45 |
| blackburn | no idea | 17:46 |
| Ram108 | just wondering if u wud know anything abt it? | 17:46 |
| Ram108 | oh hmmmm thanks :) | 17:46 |
| blackburn | I don't work at google unfortunately :) | 17:46 |
| Ram108 | lol, ha ha coz i thought u might have thought abt it......... lol | 17:46 |
| Ram108 | good night then :) bye! have a great day :) | 17:47 |
| blackburn | ok, see you | 17:47 |
| Ram108 | :) | 17:48 |
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| blackburn | wiking: 61% | 18:07 |
| blackburn | vikram360: or you | 18:07 |
| blackburn | :) | 18:07 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: not happy with the results this far :P? | 18:14 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I would rather leave country than live in putin's russia | 18:15 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: not good :( I'm sorry about that | 18:16 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: does it really affect there the daily life of everyone? | 18:17 |
| blackburn | not really | 18:17 |
| n4nd0 | I mean, when I was in Spain I liked more the ideas of some parties than others | 18:17 |
| blackburn | ok let me describe | 18:18 |
| n4nd0 | but life was still the same whoever was in the power | 18:18 |
| blackburn | there are a lot of corruption, so police can stop you and ask you for money because they can | 18:18 |
| blackburn | it is some simple example :) | 18:18 |
| blackburn | the most serious problem is we didn't elect him actually | 18:19 |
| blackburn | there are some pro-putin guys, not so many though | 18:20 |
| n4nd0 | the thing of the police sounds quite bad | 18:20 |
| blackburn | not only police but each goverment org | 18:20 |
| blackburn | all putin's friends are multimillionaires | 18:21 |
| blackburn | well finally we have a lot of oil and it costs unbelievable 120$, if we had no thieves in goverment we would live better | 18:21 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: most of these 61% are people who were forced to elect putin | 18:23 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_vh18TEE2Ds | 18:23 |
| blackburn | could you ever imagine that ^? :) | 18:24 |
| n4nd0 | too bad | 18:24 |
| n4nd0 | I don't get what are they doing in the video | 18:25 |
| n4nd0 | what are those papers? | 18:25 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: they fake election | 18:26 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: those papers are voting papers | 18:26 |
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| blackburn | and such things were everywhere today.. | 18:26 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: wtf? and nothing to be done even if it is that clear? | 18:27 |
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| blackburn | n4nd0: with this video - yes, they denied it | 18:27 |
| blackburn | cancelled election in this town | 18:28 |
| blackburn | but russia is pretty big you know | 18:28 |
| vikram360 | hey blackburn can you repost the video, I'm dealing with a broken connection and I think I missed the link | 18:30 |
| blackburn | vikram360: this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_vh18TEE2Ds | 18:30 |
| n4nd0 | vikram360: do you come from Russia too? | 18:31 |
| blackburn | I guess no | 18:32 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : nope, but I'm intrigued by Russia. I come from a 'defence-ally' of russia : India | 18:32 |
| blackburn | hah yeah main weapon vendor | 18:33 |
| n4nd0 | haha | 18:33 |
| blackburn | oh unbelievable, they are saying such lies on tv now | 18:34 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: e.g? | 18:34 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I'd call it in one theme: 'fuck liberals' | 18:35 |
| vikram360 | are russian media houses state owned? | 18:36 |
| blackburn | yeah pretty controlled by gov't | 18:36 |
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| vikram360 | that sucks | 18:39 |
| vikram360 | so do people believe that the election is staged? | 18:43 |
| blackburn | I know no one believer | 18:43 |
| vikram360 | so that's a no? | 18:46 |
| blackburn | sorry bad sentence probably | 18:46 |
| blackburn | I know no one :) | 18:46 |
| vikram360 | that's weird. Because I thought that a lot of people didn't particularly like putin | 18:49 |
| blackburn | oooh sorry | 18:50 |
| blackburn | staged | 18:50 |
| blackburn | vikram360: I know no one that is believing it is truth | 18:50 |
| blackburn | 62.55 already | 18:54 |
| blackburn | growing | 18:54 |
| vikram360 | 63.55 pc of votes in his favor? | 18:55 |
| blackburn | I bet for 65% | 18:55 |
| vikram360 | geez ! but all said and done, that man is a freaggin alpha. | 18:57 |
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| vikram360 | Is he generally a nice guy? I mean, does he genuinely care about the people? | 18:58 |
| blackburn | he is ok | 18:59 |
| blackburn | not very bad, not very good | 18:59 |
| blackburn | but we can't stand such high % - it is a lie | 18:59 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : I think one good thing about putin is that he manages to keep russia truly sovereign. India is sovereign only on paper. | 19:06 |
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| blackburn | well.. may be you are right but it costs too much for russia | 19:07 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : what do you mean? | 19:10 |
| blackburn | vikram360: we have some troubles on the Caucasus, and he just keep sending a lot of money to save this integrity | 19:11 |
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| vikram360 | Oh, ok, I didn't know that. | 19:12 |
| blackburn | well, not the best way | 19:12 |
| blackburn | vikram360: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ws7wivahqg4 cortege of chechnya leader | 19:13 |
| blackburn | probably not the best way to solve this problem :) | 19:13 |
| vikram360 | geez!!, that looked like regular traffic on an indian road. | 19:16 |
| vikram360 | The comments kinda give an idea about the sentiments in russia. They seem to hate his guts! | 19:16 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : so what is your background (If I may ask) | 19:20 |
| blackburn | what do you mean? | 19:20 |
| vikram360 | are you a student ? | 19:22 |
| blackburn | ah, yes | 19:22 |
| blackburn | 4th year undergraduate | 19:22 |
| blackburn | of Samara State Aerospace University | 19:22 |
| vikram360 | oh... ok.. I'm 3rd year undergraduate at the PES School of Engineering, Bangalore. I'm studying computer science | 19:23 |
| vikram360 | So are you a contributor? | 19:23 |
| blackburn | yeah, may be even a core developer | 19:23 |
| vikram360 | wow! that's awesome :) | 19:24 |
| vikram360 | I hope to be a contributor :) | 19:24 |
| vikram360 | So when did you get started with machine learning? | 19:24 |
| blackburn | I have been studying it for 1.5 years probably | 19:25 |
| vikram360 | and you're now a core developer? that's awesome man! | 19:26 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : the man (in this case was a unisex filler and would remain relevant even if you were a woman :) ) | 19:27 |
| blackburn | well I just took participance in gsoc 2011 and continued to work with shogun | 19:27 |
| blackburn | my name is Sergey Lisitsyn :) | 19:27 |
| blackburn | so man | 19:28 |
| vikram360 | haha :) . My name is Vikram Kamath. I hope to get into GSoc this year. But I just want to make sure that this is a project that will keep me fulfilled even after GSoc. | 19:29 |
| vikram360 | So I decided to drop in and find out what the people are like. And so far, it's been extremely friendly :) | 19:30 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : are all educational institutions in Russia state owned? | 19:31 |
| vikram360 | I mean, I want to make sure that I will contribute to this project waaay after gsoc is over. | 19:33 |
| blackburn | well feel free to contribute anytime :) | 19:34 |
| blackburn | as for institutions, most of are | 19:35 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : I hope I have what it takes to contribute. | 19:35 |
| vikram360 | so does that mean there are private institutions too? | 19:35 |
| blackburn | yeah some sort of, but pretty useless | 19:36 |
| vikram360 | then that's pretty awesome. Given the academic talent russia produces. Some of the programmers and mathematicians from russia are legendary. | 19:36 |
| vikram360 | Have you heard of the guy petr mitrichev? | 19:37 |
| blackburn | not really, what did he do? | 19:37 |
| vikram360 | he's this wunderkind programmer from russia who wins almost every single programming contest there is! | 19:38 |
| vikram360 | facebook hacker cup , google code jam, ACM ICPC, you name it! | 19:38 |
| blackburn | hmm probably he is a smart guy hah :) | 19:39 |
| vikram360 | yes! , he is! | 19:40 |
| vikram360 | lol | 19:40 |
| vikram360 | blackburn : If I may ask, how did you start contributing to shogun? | 19:40 |
| blackburn | I started to contribute just before gsoc 2011 | 19:40 |
| vikram360 | ok.. how long before gsoc 2011? | 19:41 |
| blackburn | well year ago probably | 19:43 |
| vikram360 | a year before gsoc 2011? that's awesome man! | 19:44 |
| blackburn | no | 19:44 |
| blackburn | year ago before now :) | 19:45 |
| vikram360 | that makes that a few days before gsoc 2011? | 19:45 |
| vikram360 | that gives me hope :) :) :) | 19:45 |
| blackburn | yes, IIRC I contacted Soeren at March, 28 | 19:46 |
| vikram360 | oh.. ok. and what project did you work on? | 19:46 |
| blackburn | dimensionality reduction | 19:46 |
| vikram360 | oh.. PCA? | 19:47 |
| blackburn | LLE, Isomap, etc | 19:47 |
| vikram360 | yes, I'm looking at your page right now :) | 19:48 |
| vikram360 | This may sound inappropriate, but would you mind if I looked at your project proposal? | 19:49 |
| blackburn | I probably lost it already | 19:50 |
| vikram360 | oh.. that's ok | 19:50 |
| vikram360 | I'm sorry if I'm irritating you, but one last question: How do you suggest I start? | 19:53 |
| blackburn | try to install shogun/ check its sources/ try it on some problem/ try to implement something/ check gsoc ideas/ choose one :) | 19:54 |
| vikram360 | ok.. thanks a lot man :) | 19:54 |
| vikram360 | what's the minimum age to vote in russia? | 19:56 |
| blackburn | 18 | 19:56 |
| vikram360 | so did you vote? | 19:57 |
| blackburn | yeah | 19:58 |
| vikram360 | who for? | 20:00 |
| blackburn | prokhorov | 20:00 |
| vikram360 | isn't he the billionaire? | 20:01 |
| blackburn | yes he is | 20:01 |
| vikram360 | http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=21220 : somehow putin's motorcade doesn't seem as big as the chechnyan leaders' | 20:02 |
| vikram360 | I wonder why | 20:02 |
| vikram360 | shit, kadyrov is a madman! http://jalopnik.com/5704390/the-chechen-presidents-guns-supercars-and-3000000-motorcade | 20:03 |
| blackburn | well because putin doesn't want to be like kadyrov :) | 20:05 |
| vikram360 | but I think kadyrov is slightly loose in the head. His motorcade is worth 3 Million Dollars! | 20:08 |
| blackburn | agree, he is a thief | 20:09 |
| vikram360 | is the GRU controlled by the government or are they fully independent or partially independent? | 20:10 |
| blackburn | GRU, special ops guys? | 20:11 |
| vikram360 | isn't it your foreign intelligence agency? | 20:13 |
| blackburn | yeah got it | 20:14 |
| blackburn | yes, they are controlled by gov't | 20:14 |
| vikram360 | our intelligence agency is called RAW. As per the latest reports, intelligence officers were being used by politicians to spy on their election competition. And the director of the agency said that as a result of which, the intelligence agency was highly understaffed | 20:15 |
| blackburn | hah crazy | 20:15 |
| vikram360 | welcome to india. | 20:15 |
| vikram360 | and now they've begun installing listening devices and packet sniffers. They've even asked google india and yahoo india to route their mail through indian servers | 20:16 |
| vikram360 | seriously messed up. | 20:16 |
| vikram360 | anyways, I've got to go sleep now. It's about 1 am and tomorrow is a school day. Are you on IRC everyday? | 20:17 |
| blackburn | not every, but often | 20:17 |
| vikram360 | ok.. So I'll see you sometime :) Thanks a ton for all the advice, it was awesome talking to you :) | 20:17 |
| blackburn | ok, see you | 20:18 |
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| blackburn | sonney2k: around? | 20:48 |
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| n4nd0 | blackburn: I have been taking a closer look to QDA | 20:59 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: aha, and what do you think? | 20:59 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: it looks good, not that much different to LDA | 21:00 |
| blackburn | sure | 21:00 |
| n4nd0 | so I plan to study the code for LDA in shogun | 21:00 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #168 of nightly_none is complete: Failure [failed compile] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/nightly_none/builds/168 | 21:00 |
| n4nd0 | try out the examples with it | 21:00 |
| n4nd0 | and hopefully start new coding for QDA :) | 21:01 |
| blackburn | failure? hmm | 21:01 |
| n4nd0 | doesn't that normally happen? | 21:01 |
| n4nd0 | the first time soeren merged my Mahalanobis stuff it did | 21:01 |
| n4nd0 | but a couple of minutes later the build completed message appeared | 21:02 |
| n4nd0 | and I think I have seen that again another time with something Soeren did | 21:02 |
| n4nd0 | I think I should start using S?ren instead of Soeren providing that I use a keyboard with that letter :) | 21:03 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: not really, I'll fix it now | 21:03 |
| blackburn | if you are talking about shogun-buildbot msg - yes, it compiles after each commit | 21:04 |
| n4nd0 | aha | 21:05 |
| n4nd0 | just let me know if you want some help debugging sth ;) | 21:05 |
| blackburn | oh I do some complex things right now and you probably find it pretty hard | 21:06 |
| blackburn | would find* | 21:06 |
| n4nd0 | ok, I understand | 21:06 |
| blackburn | recently I've added multiclass liblinear and now doing multiclass ocas | 21:07 |
| blackburn | I just write wrappers for these libs | 21:07 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 21:07 |
| n4nd0 | I have followed your commits but not going into the code ... | 21:08 |
| n4nd0 | what I should do probably | 21:08 |
| n4nd0 | :( | 21:08 |
| n4nd0 | I'll be back later | 21:08 |
| blackburn | nope, I don't think you should check every commit :) | 21:08 |
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| n4nd0 | blackburn: hey, you there? | 23:29 |
| blackburn | yes | 23:29 |
| n4nd0 | can you check a moment line 77:LDA.cpp | 23:29 |
| n4nd0 | I think it should be || instead of &&, not sure though | 23:30 |
| blackburn | sure | 23:30 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: btw one idea | 23:31 |
| blackburn | classifiers should not check labels for such things | 23:32 |
| blackburn | if you want you may exclude checks from each classifier | 23:32 |
| blackburn | and add some methods to labels | 23:32 |
| n4nd0 | ok, I see | 23:33 |
| blackburn | hm no, it is unclear | 23:33 |
| blackburn | lets think about it a little more | 23:33 |
| n4nd0 | you mean like to substitute checks from labels from each of the classifiers | 23:33 |
| blackburn | just some labels->check(); | 23:34 |
| blackburn | it is a little crappy now | 23:34 |
| n4nd0 | I see your point | 23:34 |
| n4nd0 | the idea of the method is good yes | 23:34 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: did you like any gsoc idea? | 23:35 |
| blackburn | more than others* :) | 23:35 |
| n4nd0 | haha yeah | 23:36 |
| blackburn | which one? | 23:36 |
| n4nd0 | what I told you more or less, I like both the one of doc+examples and SO | 23:36 |
| n4nd0 | what do you think about those? | 23:36 |
| blackburn | I see | 23:37 |
| blackburn | well both are interesting :) | 23:37 |
| blackburn | and a lot of work probably | 23:37 |
| blackburn | but I hope we will get accepted and it would be funny and smooth | 23:38 |
| n4nd0 | sure | 23:38 |
| n4nd0 | I am first waiting for that, to the 16th so we get the results from google | 23:38 |
| n4nd0 | after that I will decide which one can I fit best to apply for | 23:39 |
| blackburn | are you waiting for my birthday? | 23:40 |
| blackburn | ;) | 23:40 |
| n4nd0 | haha yeah, for that too ;) | 23:40 |
| blackburn | funyy coincidence | 23:40 |
| blackburn | nn* | 23:40 |
| n4nd0 | indeed | 23:41 |
| n4nd0 | hope it will bring us luck :) | 23:41 |
| blackburn | let google make a present for me on my bday :D | 23:41 |
| blackburn | damn 64.86 putin | 23:41 |
| n4nd0 | I have an exam the previous day ... don't know if that counts as coincidence :P | 23:41 |
| n4nd0 | the elections are not giving you a good present definetely... | 23:42 |
| blackburn | can you imagine 64.86% with no actual support? :) | 23:42 |
| blackburn | crazy | 23:42 |
| n4nd0 | sounds fishy yes | 23:42 |
| n4nd0 | when do you normally get final results btw? | 23:47 |
| n4nd0 | in Spain it is normally by this time when it is elections | 23:47 |
| blackburn | day more | 23:47 |
| n4nd0 | but Russia is really big man! | 23:47 |
| blackburn | 60% papers counted | 23:48 |
| blackburn | well pretty fast as well | 23:48 |
| n4nd0 | oh | 23:48 |
| n4nd0 | you work fast then | 23:48 |
| blackburn | big but not very populated | 23:48 |
| blackburn | how many people there are in spain? | 23:48 |
| n4nd0 | about 50 millions I think | 23:48 |
| blackburn | huh! | 23:49 |
| blackburn | we have 142 | 23:49 |
| n4nd0 | a little bit less according to wikipedia, 46 | 23:49 |
| blackburn | pretty uncorrelated with area | 23:49 |
| n4nd0 | definetely | 23:49 |
| n4nd0 | Russia is pretty big | 23:50 |
| blackburn | we have 8 timezones so when we start to elect | 23:50 |
| blackburn | vladivostok is about to finish | 23:50 |
| n4nd0 | 8 timezones! that's a lot | 23:50 |
| n4nd0 | haha curious fact | 23:51 |
| n4nd0 | being that big, does it change the language a lot between regions? | 23:51 |
| blackburn | no, only in some regions | 23:51 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 23:51 |
| blackburn | tatarstan have two langs | 23:52 |
| n4nd0 | there are several different Spanish accents | 23:52 |
| blackburn | russian and tatar | 23:52 |
| blackburn | ah, about accents, it doesn't vary a lot | 23:52 |
| n4nd0 | we always joke with that :) | 23:52 |
| n4nd0 | yeah sorry, I meant more accents in Russian | 23:52 |
| blackburn | for example guys from volgograd and moscow those you know | 23:53 |
| blackburn | they probably say some words in a different way | 23:53 |
| blackburn | e.g. what? - ???? - shto (volga), chto (moscow) | 23:54 |
| blackburn | something like that | 23:54 |
| n4nd0 | I see | 23:54 |
| blackburn | and some local words for sure | 23:54 |
| n4nd0 | some people in my Swedish course were speaking Russian so I tried to get some differences | 23:55 |
| n4nd0 | but no chance ... | 23:55 |
| blackburn | haha yeah pretty hard to hear anything | 23:55 |
| n4nd0 | it was this point when you don't know anything about a language and you don't even notice where do the words start and end :) | 23:55 |
| blackburn | I would not get any difference from spain accents :) | 23:55 |
| n4nd0 | well who knows | 23:56 |
| n4nd0 | we use to say that people that speak "difficult" languages as mother tongue are pretty good learning new ones | 23:56 |
| n4nd0 | and I guess Russian would be for use one of those difficult languages | 23:57 |
| blackburn | it looks like russians can hardly learn languages :) | 23:57 |
| blackburn | but may be it is an educational issue | 23:57 |
| blackburn | I found latin language *very* useful in comprehension of european languages | 23:58 |
| n4nd0 | have you studied some latin? | 23:58 |
| blackburn | yeah tried to | 23:58 |
| n4nd0 | cool | 23:59 |
| blackburn | it was pretty interesting for me hah | 23:59 |
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