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| pluskid | congratulations to all! | 02:29 |
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| gsomix | pluskid, congrats :) | 07:43 |
| pluskid | gsomix: congrats to you, too :) | 07:43 |
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| blackburn | pluskid: hey there | 08:37 |
| pluskid | blackburn: hi :D | 08:38 |
| blackburn | congrats being accepted | 08:38 |
| pluskid | blackburn: thank you! | 08:38 |
| pluskid | blackburn: congrats to you, too (though not that necessary, haha) | 08:38 |
| blackburn | I guess you understand why I suggested some multiclass improvements before ;) | 08:38 |
| pluskid | blackburn: ah, I see now :) | 08:39 |
| blackburn | I am sorry it is not what you wanted from the beginning but I hope it would be fun | 08:39 |
| pluskid | never mind, I'm very interested in this topic, too | 08:40 |
| blackburn | I need to admit we planned me as kind of co-mentor for your task | 08:40 |
| pluskid | wow, that's great | 08:40 |
| blackburn | as I am particularly interested in multiclass things | 08:40 |
| pluskid | you are more available than Cheng I guess, haha | 08:40 |
| blackburn | cheng soon is the expert so he can suggest something cool still | 08:41 |
| blackburn | so I can help you with some development | 08:41 |
| pluskid | yeah, but I guess he would also be super busy | 08:41 |
| pluskid | you would be super busy, too (as both a student and a mentor, haha) | 08:41 |
| blackburn | actually you both are in similar timezones so it makes your contact easier | 08:41 |
| pluskid | yes | 08:42 |
| blackburn | you do not need much support so I won't be very busy helping you | 08:42 |
| pluskid | Ah, I thought Cheng is in MPI | 08:42 |
| blackburn | no, melbourne | 08:43 |
| pluskid | ah, then would be in similar time zone | 08:43 |
| pluskid | not sure whether he knows Chinese, haha :p | 08:44 |
| blackburn | he is malaysian afaik | 08:44 |
| blackburn | no idea actually | 08:45 |
| pluskid | hmm | 08:45 |
| blackburn | what you can do right now is to write him a mail I think | 08:45 |
| pluskid | already done :) | 08:45 |
| blackburn | ah right | 08:45 |
| pluskid | though I haven't written the self-intro email to shogun, et | 08:46 |
| blackburn | next mails discussing project should be better CCed with shogun mailing list | 08:46 |
| pluskid | sure~ | 08:47 |
| blackburn | I am writing this introductive mail rigght now | 08:47 |
| pluskid | I'll do that soon, too | 08:47 |
| pluskid | btw: when will the kick off meeting? | 08:47 |
| blackburn | pluskid: end of this week probably or so | 08:49 |
| pluskid | ok | 08:49 |
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| sonne|work | pluskid: yes cheng is from Malaysia | 09:27 |
| pluskid | sonne|work: hmm, just got his name in Chinese: ??? :p | 09:28 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: I know you think DA is useless but I am going to implement some really fun application | 09:28 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: were you at/have you checked NIPS 2011 DA workshop? | 09:29 |
| sonne|work | pluskid: whatever that means :D | 09:30 |
| sonne|work | pluskid: btw, since you are the only one who has a homepage I had a look | 09:30 |
| sonne|work | seems like you are an artist too! | 09:30 |
| sonne|work | nice pictures | 09:30 |
| sonne|work | I love the nausica anime btw | 09:31 |
| pluskid | sonne|work: not enough to be an artist, but I like drawing :D | 09:31 |
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| pluskid | sonne|work: glad to hear that, I love that anime, too! | 09:31 |
| sonne|work | pluskid: you have actually the skills to draw some nice shogun logo - if something comes to your mind don't hesitsate :) | 09:32 |
| sonne|work | hesitate | 09:32 |
| sonne|work | blackburn: no | 09:32 |
| sonne|work | there where interesting ones too :P | 09:32 |
| pluskid | sonne|work: aha, I'll try, if I got any good idea :) | 09:32 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: there was a paper about domain adaptation from virtual video game pedestrian detection to real world | 09:33 |
| ted__ | sonne|work: I know you are pretty busy. I am looking for c++ example for string kernel (with features of diff size) and possible multiclass svm in these case. If you have time to share smthg it would be great. tx. | 09:33 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: I'm going to do the trick with traffic signs | 09:34 |
| sonne|work | ted__: look at the examples | 09:34 |
| ted__ | sonne|work: I found no example handling features of different size | 09:34 |
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| sonne|work | ted__: what is so difficult in doing | 09:36 |
| sonne|work | x=['bla','fooooo','baaar'] | 09:36 |
| sonne|work | StringCharFeatures(x, BYTE) | 09:36 |
| sonne|work | ? | 09:36 |
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| wiking | morning | 10:22 |
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| n4nd0 | good morning people! | 10:23 |
| n4nd0 | pluskid: congrats man ;) | 10:25 |
| pluskid | n4nd0: congrats to you, too! :) | 10:25 |
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| blackburn | n4nd0: guten morgen | 10:28 |
| wiking | ahahahahha blackburn :D | 10:49 |
| wiking | blackburn: learning deutsch? wie geht's? :) | 10:50 |
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| blackburn | wiking: no idea what is the appropriate answer :) | 10:51 |
| wiking | blackburn: sehr gut, danke ;) | 10:51 |
| blackburn | heh sounds reasonable | 10:51 |
| wiking | or ganz schlecht ;) | 10:52 |
| wiking | depends on your mood ;P | 10:52 |
| wiking | but ask sonney2k ... i guess he is a fluent german speaker :) | 10:52 |
| blackburn | wiking: if I start asking sonney2k about german he would buy a ticket to samara, find me and do something to stop that | 10:53 |
| wiking | hahahahahah | 10:54 |
| wiking | personally i hate german language, even if when my knowledge is about intermediate ;P | 10:54 |
| blackburn | why? I feel excited about it | 10:55 |
| wiking | hahahah | 10:56 |
| wiking | i think the most i don't like about it is the der, die, das | 10:56 |
| wiking | and after that the sound of it :) | 10:56 |
| wiking | and the learning curve of the language is different as well... it takes a much longer time than for example in english to get on a good communication level | 10:57 |
| wiking | so rather go and study french or something :) | 10:57 |
| wiking | or mandarine ;) | 10:57 |
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| wiking | ok time to write a short email about me | 10:58 |
| blackburn | wiking: der die das is not confusing while we have these word genders in russian :) | 10:59 |
| wiking | blackburn: but it makes no fucking sense :) | 10:59 |
| wiking | i mean in german | 10:59 |
| wiking | :)))0 | 10:59 |
| wiking | in slavic language i still get it | 10:59 |
| wiking | b | 10:59 |
| wiking | u | 10:59 |
| wiking | t | 10:59 |
| sonne|work | wiking: why don't you want a horse to not be male :) | 11:00 |
| blackburn | ah really I forgot you know srbska | 11:00 |
| sonne|work | and a duck female :D | 11:00 |
| wiking | but when in german the bra is der, | 11:00 |
| wiking | sonne|work: male bra! | 11:00 |
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| wiking | der BH | 11:00 |
| wiking | i think that is the worse | 11:00 |
| wiking | :) | 11:00 |
| sonne|work | wiking: makes even more sense :D | 11:00 |
| blackburn | wiking: you steal my motivation! how can I talk to sonne|work then | 11:00 |
| blackburn | ;) | 11:00 |
| wiking | but i guess it's because der halter | 11:00 |
| wiking | so they just had to stick to it :P | 11:01 |
| n4nd0 | wiking: hey! do you have a moment to discuss about SO? | 11:01 |
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| sonne|work | wiking: it is like the owner :D | 11:07 |
| sonne|work | *lol* | 11:07 |
| sonne|work | I never expected a discussion like this | 11:08 |
| pluskid | wiking: welcome to Mandarin :D | 11:09 |
| sonne|work | pluskid: I question that any of us knows >2 chinese characters | 11:10 |
| sonne|work | pluskid: except you of course! | 11:10 |
| sonne|work | so we cannot even write about the things we don't know! | 11:11 |
| pluskid | sonne|work: you mean you know nothing beyond ?? (shogun) ? :p | 11:11 |
| sonne|work | exactly | 11:11 |
| * blackburn would never be able to write it down | 11:11 | |
| sonne|work | well 1,2,3 (these horizontal strokes) too but that doesn't really count | 11:12 |
| pluskid | haha! | 11:12 |
| blackburn | I thought it is japanese actually lol :D | 11:12 |
| pluskid | blackburn: Japanese and Chinese shares a lot of characters | 11:13 |
| blackburn | really? how much it coincides? | 11:13 |
| pluskid | sonne|work: you will learn a new character, for ten, we use a cross (more like a plus sign, "+") | 11:13 |
| pluskid | blackburn: a lot, but many are slightly different, the history said the Japanese borrow ancient Chinese characters long long ago | 11:14 |
| blackburn | I see | 11:14 |
| pluskid | but the syntax are rather different, they only borrow characters, not syntax | 11:15 |
| blackburn | is there a syntax? :D | 11:15 |
| pluskid | for what? | 11:15 |
| blackburn | I really do not get how it is like to write in these two languages | 11:16 |
| blackburn | it seems to be very different right? | 11:16 |
| pluskid | I don't understand you | 11:16 |
| pluskid | you mean the sentence would be different? | 11:17 |
| pluskid | or the characters (strokes)? | 11:17 |
| blackburn | pluskid: sentences | 11:17 |
| blackburn | does it make sense to translate word by word? | 11:18 |
| pluskid | blackburn: then would be quite different | 11:18 |
| pluskid | blackburn: the order of Japanese is a bit strange | 11:18 |
| pluskid | they use "subject object verb" order | 11:18 |
| blackburn | pluskid: how would you say that you just said in chinese *but* translated to english word-by-word? | 11:19 |
| pluskid | actually, except they require verb should be put at the end, the order for other elements can be interchanged freely | 11:19 |
| pluskid | blackburn: you want me to say a sentence in chinese and translate to english word-by-word? | 11:20 |
| blackburn | yeah | 11:20 |
| blackburn | pluskid: I mean it seems that all the things are pretty different | 11:20 |
| pluskid | ?????????? | 11:21 |
| blackburn | how would you indicate some say past perfect in chinese? | 11:21 |
| pluskid | Japanese's order is a bit strange | 11:21 |
| pluskid | the time can be inferred from the context | 11:21 |
| pluskid | and there are some decorating words | 11:23 |
| pluskid | to indicate the time of the action | 11:23 |
| blackburn | pluskid: so actually is it feasible to parse something translated from chinese to english with such brute force? | 11:23 |
| pluskid | like the word "will" in english | 11:23 |
| pluskid | it means the action will be in future | 11:23 |
| pluskid | blackburn: quite difficult I would say | 11:24 |
| pluskid | look at google translate :) | 11:24 |
| blackburn | yeah that was clear google translate would fuck up with it | 11:24 |
| blackburn | but is it feasible for native? | 11:24 |
| pluskid | hmm, word-by-word translation... maybe feasible, the result will read strange, but I guess people can understand | 11:25 |
| blackburn | what I mean is not only language as words and chars but language as way of mind is pretty different | 11:26 |
| blackburn | and you may think about some things I can not because I can't describe it with my words | 11:27 |
| blackburn | :D | 11:27 |
| pluskid | hmm, maybe | 11:27 |
| emrecelikten | blackburn: Sapir-Whorf hypothesis | 11:28 |
| blackburn | emrecelikten: LOL I knew you would say something like that | 11:28 |
| emrecelikten | Why? :D | 11:28 |
| blackburn | emrecelikten: you tend to discuss some psychology contexts :) | 11:29 |
| emrecelikten | blackburn: Nice observation | 11:30 |
| blackburn | emrecelikten: but what do you personally think about this hypothesis? | 11:30 |
| blackburn | I am pretty sure it works for languages | 11:30 |
| blackburn | but programming ones | 11:30 |
| emrecelikten | blackburn: Well I am no expert aks ko polyglot, but it ssems to be true to some extent | 11:31 |
| emrecelikten | ah sorry, and no polyglot* | 11:31 |
| emrecelikten | still trying to get used to colemak | 11:32 |
| blackburn | pluskid: have you checked that ECOC JMLR paper? | 11:33 |
| pluskid | blackburn: no, which one? | 11:34 |
| pluskid | I'm reading another paper | 11:34 |
| blackburn | pluskid: which one? | 11:34 |
| pluskid | by gun :p | 11:34 |
| pluskid | Adapting Codes and Embeddings for Polychotomies | 11:34 |
| blackburn | pluskid: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/papers/volume11/escalera10a/escalera10a.pdf | 11:35 |
| blackburn | pluskid: http://mloss.org/software/view/238/ | 11:35 |
| * n4nd0 is afk | 11:35 | |
| pluskid | blackburn: thanks! great references | 11:36 |
| blackburn | pluskid: remarkable thing there is that OvR, OvO and even trees are ECOCs | 11:36 |
| pluskid | interesting | 11:37 |
| blackburn | pluskid: I think it would be easy for you to port these routines from the ECOC library | 11:37 |
| pluskid | blackburn: I will look at their code tomorrow | 11:38 |
| pluskid | just need a good-designed framework in shogun for this I guess :) | 11:38 |
| blackburn | pluskid: that could be your first step | 11:38 |
| blackburn | yes | 11:38 |
| blackburn | but you already did one | 11:38 |
| blackburn | you would have to extend strategies I think and nothing moer | 11:39 |
| pluskid | but improvements are needed I think :) | 11:39 |
| pluskid | yes, strategies | 11:39 |
| n4nd0 | pluskid: the authors of ECOC are Spanish btw, tell me if you find some non-translated doc :P | 11:41 |
| pluskid | n4nd0: haha! OK, thanks! | 11:41 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: openmrs has got 18 (!!!) students | 11:42 |
| sonne|work | I think you need some full time admin for that many students | 11:44 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: yes 6-7 admins at least | 11:44 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: they are totally funded from a lot of sources - in the end they do pretty useful software | 11:46 |
| wiking | n4nd0: heeey | 12:03 |
| wiking | n4nd0: sorry i had a meeting | 12:03 |
| wiking | let me know when u r here | 12:03 |
| blackburn | wiking: http://hiero.ru/pict/249/2169698.jpg do you know that crazy girl? :D | 12:07 |
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| wiking | heheh eyes | 12:13 |
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| wiking | n4nd0: i guess you are off eating ;) | 12:24 |
| n4nd0 | wiking: hey! I am preparing my backpack, I've got to take a plane today! :S | 12:31 |
| wiking | n4nd0: aaah going back to spain? | 12:31 |
| wiking | ok let me know when you'd have time this week | 12:31 |
| n4nd0 | sure | 12:32 |
| n4nd0 | well see you guys, I'll talk to you next time from Spain | 12:32 |
| wiking | oookey | 12:32 |
| wiking | just msg me | 12:32 |
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| pluskid | see you n4nd0 | 12:33 |
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| wiking | brb off to lunch | 12:34 |
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| PhilTillet | hey everybady | 15:00 |
| blackburn | hey PhilTillet | 15:01 |
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| blackburn | wiking: gsomix: waiting for your introduction ;) | 15:30 |
| wiking | blackburn: just finishing it up | 15:39 |
| gsomix | blackburn, ok | 15:42 |
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| wiking | sent | 16:18 |
| blackburn | wiking: thanks! | 16:22 |
| wiking | nw | 16:22 |
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| CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rf21d904 / examples/undocumented/libshogun/classifier_multiclasslinearmachine.cpp : Temporary workaround for libshogun multiclass example - http://git.io/ONbdCw | 16:23 |
| blackburn | wiking: did I told you about my plan to use DA multiclass svm? | 16:26 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rb7f2f31 / src/NEWS : Updated news - http://git.io/hGCbAw | 16:27 |
| wiking | blackburn: noup | 16:30 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #711 of r_static is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/r_static/builds/711 | 16:35 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #712 of octave_static is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/octave_static/builds/712 | 16:45 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #699 of python_static is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/python_static/builds/699 | 16:49 |
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| blackburn | wiking: I want to train classifier on literally toy data | 17:27 |
| blackburn | with some 3d renders or so | 17:27 |
| blackburn | and adapt to real ones | 17:27 |
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| blackburn | karlnapf: hey how are you today? | 18:19 |
| karlnapf | blackburn, hi, thanks its getting better | 18:20 |
| blackburn | good | 18:20 |
| karlnapf | I really like all of our projects | 18:21 |
| karlnapf | so much nice stuff | 18:21 |
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| CIA-64 | shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * rba984fc / (7 files in 5 dirs): documentation TODOs which I collected recently :) - http://git.io/0BRLkw | 18:55 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * ra05adce / src/shogun/machine/Machine.cpp : added a check for locking - http://git.io/m-S7RA | 18:55 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r78a2bb3 / (8 files in 5 dirs): | 18:55 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: Merge pull request #484 from karlnapf/master | 18:55 |
| CIA-64 | shogun: source code documentation updates - http://git.io/NzuFsg | 18:55 |
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| @sonney2k | gsomix, please also send some introduction email to the ML | 19:08 |
| gsomix | sonney2k, already | 19:09 |
| gsomix | :) | 19:09 |
| gsomix | sonney2k, sorry for that, I have busied by mechanics. =___= | 19:12 |
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| blackburn | karlnapf: do you mind some documentation spring in middle of may or so? | 19:42 |
| blackburn | sprint | 19:44 |
| blackburn | damn :D | 19:44 |
| @sonney2k | gsomix, great! | 19:52 |
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| gsomix | sonney2k, I have a small request (wish). could you please point out my mistakes in English in spare time? :) | 19:59 |
| * gsomix likes mechanics and analysis of problems on six pages. | 20:07 | |
| blackburn | hah | 20:37 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: is having a forum a good idea for shogun? | 20:38 |
| blackburn | it seems no | 20:42 |
| blackburn | wiking: please check my last mail @ the ML | 20:56 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, why a forum? | 21:04 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, man you seem to have quite some energy now! | 21:04 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: nevermind ;) | 21:04 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: yes I have to complete my university project and ready to think about everything but not this project | 21:05 |
| blackburn | however I have some balls to finish it yeah :D | 21:05 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: probably right before this exam I'll start to do a lot of dev things hehhe | 21:07 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, please say no to vodka :P | 21:08 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: why so? | 21:08 |
| * sonney2k has no idea what vodking is talking about :) | 21:08 | |
| blackburn | sonney2k: looks parseable for me ;) | 21:08 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I should bring a few bottles to you | 21:11 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I hope you don't mind me mixing it with tons of water :D | 21:18 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: is it common that academia you work in pays for conference trips, etc? | 21:18 |
| blackburn | in your country I mean | 21:18 |
| @sonney2k | yes of course | 21:23 |
| @sonney2k | you get relatively low salary in academia so it is natural that they pay you for such stuff | 21:24 |
| blackburn | I should check if they would provide me here with some support if I send some thesises | 21:24 |
| blackburn | to some conf | 21:24 |
| * sonney2k closes his eyes OOOOooooooo.... | 21:24 | |
| blackburn | am I so boring? :D | 21:24 |
| wiking | blackburn: will soon | 21:31 |
| wiking | aaah coool | 21:31 |
| blackburn | wiking: your excitement makes me optimistic | 21:32 |
| wiking | :))) | 21:32 |
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