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@sonney2k | gsomix, nite | 00:00 |
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pluskid | a big tragedy installing 64bit system: I failed to backup my files, so lost many data, especially my various config files... | 04:45 |
pluskid | spend a big amount of time to re-configure all those | 04:45 |
pluskid | so a lightweighted SGVector and a heavy-weighted SGIVector? | 04:58 |
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pluskid | I have some concerns of the new design, so sonney2k ping me when you come up | 06:59 |
pluskid | or I can write to the mailing list later | 07:00 |
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wiking | mornin' | 11:02 |
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wiking | time for some stats | 12:45 |
blackburn | wiking: benchmarks? | 12:47 |
wiking | yep | 12:47 |
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wiking | fucking hell i hate dtrace now | 13:26 |
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pluskid | those registered by SG_ADD will automatically be saved in serialization, right? | 15:10 |
blackburn | pluskid: exactly | 15:12 |
pluskid | blackburn, thanks | 15:13 |
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CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rf2489bd / (17 files in 3 dirs): Extracted multitask things - http://git.io/1qNykA | 15:27 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r801ce4d / (26 files in 6 dirs): Transfer learning restructuring - http://git.io/_dEP3g | 15:28 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r1927645 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Cleaned transfer learning stuff - http://git.io/_oMYsw | 15:28 |
blackburn | pluskid: looks ok to merge, should I? | 15:30 |
blackburn | or anything you want to finish? | 15:30 |
pluskid | blackburn: merge it at the moment please | 15:30 |
blackburn | done | 15:31 |
pluskid | thanks! | 15:32 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Chiyuan Zhang master * rb4fbbdb / (4 files): remove get_strategy_type since we hope there would be no use of it. - http://git.io/6N1AVA | 15:32 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Chiyuan Zhang master * r7830726 / (8 files in 2 dirs): Store number of classes in MulticlassStrategy - http://git.io/8jmbBw | 15:32 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Chiyuan Zhang master * r022c18d / (11 files in 2 dirs): Use the remembered num_classes in a MulticlassStrategy - http://git.io/veIddA | 15:32 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Chiyuan Zhang master * r1981a90 / src/shogun/multiclass/MulticlassStrategy.cpp : register m_num_classes of MulticlassStrategy. - http://git.io/ETc7TQ | 15:32 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r3be395f / (13 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'multiclass-ecoc' of git://github.com/pluskid/shogun - http://git.io/qRQLGA | 15:32 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rda6bddd / (3 files): Docu fixes - http://git.io/vO7MFQ | 15:37 |
shogun-buildbot | build #790 of libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/libshogun/builds/790 blamelist: blackburn91@gmail.com | 15:39 |
blackburn | oops | 15:39 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r2102799 / src/shogun/transfer/multitask/MultitaskKernelPlifNormalizer.h : Hopefully fixes compilation error of Plif multitask normalizer - http://git.io/AUoQHA | 15:44 |
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gsomix | home, sweet home :) | 16:36 |
gsomix | hi | 16:37 |
shogun-buildbot | build #792 of libshogun is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/libshogun/builds/792 | 16:58 |
blackburn | FINALLY | 17:17 |
wiking | mmmm | 17:33 |
wiking | xval is giving me a headache :) | 17:33 |
wiking | ERROR] assertion l failed in file kernel/Kernel.cpp line 105 | 17:34 |
wiking | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: [ERROR] assertion l failed in file kernel/Kernel.cpp line 105 | 17:34 |
wiking | :( | 17:34 |
wiking | time to debug then | 17:36 |
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n4nd0 | hey!! | 18:01 |
n4nd0 | I survived to my two exams during the last days, it feels good to be around here :) | 18:03 |
wiking | n4nd0: congrats hope u have passed them as well ;) | 18:04 |
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n4nd0 | wiking: we'll see, I am more or less confident of passing one of them but I am doubtful about the other :S | 18:05 |
blackburn | n4nd0: how many to go? | 18:12 |
n4nd0 | blackburn: one on the 7th for the moment | 18:13 |
blackburn | great | 18:13 |
n4nd0 | yeah, these two last days were the tough ones | 18:13 |
n4nd0 | I am happy they are over | 18:13 |
blackburn | yeah you should have accomplished mood :) | 18:14 |
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wiking | blackburn: well yeah this crossval part is totally bogus... | 18:32 |
wiking | crashing like nothing | 18:32 |
blackburn | wiking: huh | 18:34 |
blackburn | wiking: you should contact heiko about it ;) | 18:34 |
wiking | well it either crashes my whole jvm or stops with a simple assertion error | 18:34 |
wiking | but there's no way i can make it work | 18:34 |
wiking | so i'll use gdb now :) | 18:35 |
wiking | "The Chair of cvpr-mcv has requested to publish Paper 23 Title: Multiple Kernel Learning Based Modality Classification for Medical Images to arXiv. Please log into CMT Author's Console to accept or decline this request." | 18:52 |
wiking | CVPR!!!!!!! | 18:52 |
wiking | \o/ | 18:52 |
blackburn | wiking: congrats | 18:52 |
wiking | FUCKING HELL | 18:53 |
blackburn | wiking: did you get good results with MKL? | 18:53 |
wiking | mmm | 18:54 |
wiking | paper is rejected though | 18:54 |
wiking | only on arXiv | 18:54 |
blackburn | heh | 18:54 |
blackburn | strange | 18:54 |
wiking | fuckin ghell | 18:56 |
wiking | 2 accepted the paper | 18:56 |
wiking | one rejected | 18:56 |
wiking | :D | 18:56 |
blackburn | wiking: editors? | 18:58 |
wiking | reviewers | 18:58 |
blackburn | same was for my jmlr mloss paper.. | 18:58 |
blackburn | yes sorry reviewers | 18:58 |
@sonney2k | blackburn, do you know which concerns pluskid has? | 19:14 |
blackburn | sonney2k: with? | 19:14 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, do you have any opinion on the new SGVector design | 19:14 |
@sonney2k | blackburn, I guess SGVector... | 19:14 |
blackburn | oh I planned to install opensuse right now | 19:14 |
blackburn | :D | 19:15 |
blackburn | ok lets discuss it again | 19:15 |
blackburn | sonney2k: I didn't ask him actually :( | 19:15 |
n4nd0 | sonney2k: probably I am not up to date with the very last discussion (I have not read logs from yesterday) | 19:15 |
blackburn | sonney2k: do you use debian unstable with gnome 3? | 19:16 |
blackburn | sonney2k: n4nd0: gsomix: lets discuss it right now? | 19:17 |
n4nd0 | sure! I am updating to last conversations right now | 19:18 |
* gsomix sits and listens to elders. :) | 19:19 | |
n4nd0 | blackburn: so what is the main advantage of using SGVector and SGIVector? | 19:21 |
blackburn | n4nd0: if I knew | 19:21 |
blackburn | :D | 19:21 |
n4nd0 | is it to have something rather light-weighted for simple datatypes like int and double? | 19:21 |
blackburn | n4nd0: it looks like we are probably unhappy with current memory handling | 19:22 |
n4nd0 | I like the idea of being able to make vectors of anything | 19:22 |
blackburn | no we don't need vectors of anything | 19:22 |
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n4nd0 | e.g. instead of CMachine* -> vector< CMachine > | 19:22 |
blackburn | no no SGVector is only for numeric stuff | 19:23 |
n4nd0 | yes | 19:23 |
n4nd0 | but the other one, SGIVector would be for the rest right? | 19:23 |
blackburn | no, it is for vectors those are shared between different objects | 19:23 |
blackburn | so it has refcounting | 19:23 |
wiking | HEEELP | 19:24 |
blackburn | wiking: you need somebody? | 19:24 |
wiking | yes | 19:24 |
wiking | "As of now, your paper is a weak rejection (the only paper with conflict reviews). However, if you think you can address the negative issues being raised by reviewer. I can give you a rebuttal chance." | 19:25 |
wiking | I NEED HEEELP! | 19:25 |
blackburn | not just anybody? | 19:25 |
blackburn | :D | 19:25 |
gsomix | blackburn, too beatle. | 19:25 |
blackburn | wiking: I'd be happy to help to improve it | 19:25 |
@sonney2k | wiking, sounds good | 19:26 |
wiking | sonney2k: HEEELP!!! | 19:26 |
blackburn | heh my help is probably not needed :D | 19:26 |
@sonney2k | wiking, ? | 19:27 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, no | 19:27 |
wiking | blackburn: anybody's good | 19:27 |
wiking | but sonney2k is experienced in this matter afaik | 19:27 |
blackburn | wiking: sure | 19:27 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, it is all only for numerical stuff ... let me repeat what I've said somewhen yesterday | 19:28 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, SGVector would be just the double* ptr and int for length | 19:28 |
@sonney2k | nothing more -> no overhead | 19:28 |
@sonney2k | will only be used if the vector is just to be used in this function and no more | 19:29 |
n4nd0 | ok | 19:29 |
@sonney2k | not in member variables not for interface exchange stuff | 19:30 |
gsomix | sonney2k, what is strategy to ref counting in SGIVector? | 19:30 |
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blackburn | okay I am totally lost why do we need it | 19:31 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, SGIVector wold be the one with ref counting | 19:31 |
@sonney2k | that's it | 19:31 |
@sonney2k | gsomix, like with SGVector | 19:31 |
@sonney2k | gsomix, err SGObject | 19:31 |
n4nd0 | ok | 19:32 |
gsomix | sonney2k, mmm, and I'm asking again. do we plan to work with pointers to SGIVector? | 19:32 |
@sonney2k | gsomix, no | 19:33 |
gsomix | sonney2k, copies? | 19:33 |
wiking | blackburn: sent | 19:34 |
blackburn | wiking: got desperated? :D | 19:34 |
wiking | blackburn: well i'm appreciating anybody's help! | 19:35 |
@sonney2k | yes - but I just realize that this then would need some different solution for refcounts | 19:36 |
@sonney2k | (due to copies) | 19:36 |
blackburn | sonney2k: yes count should be stored somewhere | 19:36 |
gsomix | sonney2k, like pluskid solution? | 19:37 |
@sonney2k | gsomix, but w/o the hack | 19:46 |
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@sonney2k | gsomix, so e.g. allocate some memory for the refcount (so have a int32_t* in SGIVector pointing to the counter - this ptr is shared between SGIVectors and memory freed if *ptr == 0) | 19:49 |
gsomix | sonney2k, aha. It's clear for me. | 19:50 |
n4nd0 | what would be the relation between SGVector and SGIVector? | 19:51 |
n4nd0 | I see there should be inheritance there but I think I am still missing something | 19:51 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, just inheritance to not write the code that is in SGVector twice | 19:52 |
n4nd0 | ok so SGVector <--- SGIVector | 19:53 |
@sonney2k | or other way round :) | 19:53 |
n4nd0 | ?? | 19:53 |
n4nd0 | how can it be that it does not matter? | 19:53 |
@sonney2k | ? | 19:54 |
n4nd0 | the idea is to have the T* and the int for the length in SGVector | 19:56 |
n4nd0 | in SGIVector add the ref counting stuff | 19:56 |
n4nd0 | SGIVector inheiths fom SGVector | 19:56 |
n4nd0 | is that right? | 19:56 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, exactly like that | 19:57 |
n4nd0 | ok | 19:57 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, so any thoughts / comments? | 20:00 |
@sonney2k | wiking, I still don't understand what you need? don't you have a couple of senior authors? | 20:01 |
wiking | sonney2k: hahahah i wish i would | 20:02 |
@sonney2k | wiking, sole author or what? | 20:02 |
wiking | yep | 20:02 |
@sonney2k | wtf? | 20:02 |
wiking | well when shit happens... | 20:02 |
@sonney2k | are you crazy? | 20:02 |
wiking | no | 20:02 |
wiking | it's not me who is crazy | 20:02 |
wiking | imho | 20:02 |
@sonney2k | ok | 20:02 |
wiking | or? :) | 20:03 |
wiking | i mean yes it is fucking crazy that i'm doing this alone | 20:03 |
wiking | but this is the truth | 20:03 |
n4nd0 | sonney2k: yeah, so that we said is the how to do it, but why do we want to do it? I just come up to reduce some memory usage. SGVector would occupy less than SGIVector | 20:04 |
@sonney2k | I think I don't know any phd student who publishes w/o a senior author | 20:05 |
wiking | sonney2k: yep, i know but since my supervisors are basically not existing... what can i do? | 20:06 |
blackburn | sonney2k: I'll do it solely too probably if I do my phd here | 20:06 |
blackburn | :D | 20:06 |
blackburn | wiking: do you have only virtual supervisor? | 20:07 |
wiking | blackburn: actually 2 of them! | 20:07 |
blackburn | 2 virtuals? | 20:07 |
blackburn | lol | 20:07 |
wiking | yes | 20:07 |
wiking | neither of them does anything | 20:07 |
n4nd0 | blackburn: you should go outside for your PhD and discover new world! | 20:09 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, exactly that is the reason - SGVector has a lot less overhead, so for example when using 2d byte vectors you will not have the overhead memory and copy wise | 20:10 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, for example if you compute kernel matrix and get ptr's to feature vectors you don't need the ref/unref | 20:10 |
@sonney2k | which would make everything twice as costly | 20:11 |
@sonney2k | wiking, I always had virtual and real supervisors | 20:11 |
n4nd0 | ok | 20:11 |
@sonney2k | the real one is the GUN part of shogun :) | 20:11 |
n4nd0 | sonney2k: I must check how this ref counting is done in SGObject to understand better that there is a real overhead | 20:12 |
wiking | sonney2k: in my case they are having virtual String review (String paper) =0; | 20:12 |
wiking | ;) | 20:12 |
@sonney2k | n4nd0, you need the refcount and you need to in/decref it and do a check whether to free the vector | 20:13 |
@sonney2k | wiking, I guess none of the papers I wrote when I started would have been accepted w/o help from 'senior' authors | 20:14 |
wiking | sonney2k: i have 2 accepted now 2 months ago | 20:15 |
wiking | both of them written like this one :> | 20:15 |
@sonney2k | which conf? | 20:15 |
wiking | pakdd | 20:15 |
wiking | and the other is a minor one | 20:15 |
@sonney2k | pakdd == kdd? | 20:18 |
wiking | nono it's the pacific-asia kdd | 20:18 |
@sonney2k | if not I don't know this one... | 20:18 |
@sonney2k | ahh ok | 20:18 |
@sonney2k | wiking, it gets exponentially harder with confs like kdd/icml/nips | 20:19 |
wiking | so it's not as big as kdd but it's ok | 20:19 |
wiking | sonney2k: i know | 20:19 |
wiking | sonney2k: this one where i've got 2 vs 1 was cvpr | 20:19 |
@sonney2k | cvpr is top tier or? | 20:20 |
wiking | yep | 20:20 |
wiking | but it's just a workshop | 20:20 |
wiking | not the conference | 20:20 |
@sonney2k | ahh | 20:20 |
@sonney2k | ok | 20:20 |
wiking | but then again it gets indexed the same way as cvpr :PP | 20:21 |
wiking | but yes as u said i'm very afraid that i won't be able to get any paper accepted like this on a better conference... and then i'm basically fucked with my whole phd ;P | 20:23 |
wiking | sonney2k: but now that u've told me this it's just reassured me that it won't work out :D yeeeey \o/ | 20:29 |
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@sonney2k | wiking, don't get me wrong but there are always virtual supervisors but you need to find real ones to have fun / a chance to compete | 20:53 |
wiking | sonney2k: yep i know that's why i messaged u the other day ;) | 21:00 |
blackburn | hah sonney2k congrats with becoming a supervisor ;) | 21:01 |
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blackburn | sonney2k: with addition to enfant terrible like me :D | 21:02 |
blackburn | of* | 21:02 |
blackburn | wiking: what is the deadline to resubmit? | 21:04 |
wiking | 36 hours :) | 21:04 |
blackburn | wiking: oh that's nice | 21:06 |
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wiking | heheh yeah i have now a nice marathon :> | 21:07 |
wiking | buildboooot! | 21:07 |
blackburn | buildbot? | 21:07 |
wiking | he left us | 21:08 |
blackburn | yes | 21:08 |
blackburn | I meant the same | 21:08 |
blackburn | wiking: was my comments any useful? | 21:10 |
blackburn | were* | 21:10 |
wiking | yeah of course! | 21:10 |
wiking | i'm now collecting comments and thinking of how it could be done better | 21:10 |
wiking | and i'll give it a go | 21:10 |
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wiking | worst case they reject it for sure :) | 21:10 |
blackburn | again, I think you should stress the fact you work with features of different nature | 21:11 |
wiking | i guess i have to lament about it more :) | 21:12 |
blackburn | wiking: I really had the same problem with my paper about road signs recognition | 21:12 |
blackburn | they are pretty similar actually | 21:12 |
blackburn | homogay map again | 21:12 |
wiking | :> | 21:13 |
blackburn | and no strong evidence of novelty :( | 21:13 |
wiking | hehehehehe | 21:13 |
wiking | weeee SUCK | 21:13 |
wiking | :> | 21:13 |
blackburn | however my paper goes to very low level *russian* journal | 21:13 |
blackburn | its goal is to strength up my bachelors work and nothing more :D | 21:14 |
wiking | heheh yeah that's another story | 21:14 |
wiking | i'm in a different position :S | 21:14 |
blackburn | wiking: how long have you been as phd students? | 21:14 |
blackburn | student* | 21:14 |
wiking | 1.5 | 21:14 |
wiking | year | 21:14 |
blackburn | I see | 21:14 |
blackburn | were you at industry before? | 21:15 |
wiking | yes | 21:15 |
blackburn | why did you leave it btw? | 21:15 |
wiking | mmmm was very boring | 21:16 |
blackburn | I'm leaving my kind of industry job in may | 21:16 |
wiking | i've tried several places | 21:16 |
wiking | the problem is that it is great... for the first couple of months | 21:16 |
wiking | and then it's becoming more and more dull | 21:16 |
wiking | so i felt like becoming brain damaged... and there was a too much of a politics involved... | 21:17 |
wiking | politics = management ... | 21:17 |
blackburn | wiking: yeah I had one example of overmanagement recently | 21:18 |
blackburn | it took a week to fix one line | 21:19 |
blackburn | exactly one line | 21:19 |
wiking | with phd it's great that you are more independent... but the shit part is that is my case when u are completely independent | 21:19 |
blackburn | findById instead of findByPrimaryKey | 21:19 |
blackburn | :D | 21:19 |
wiking | heheh yeah i know how that feels | 21:19 |
wiking | i mean when i started to write code generator for my tasks at the work | 21:19 |
blackburn | wiking: yeah it shouldn't be like that.. | 21:19 |
wiking | i've realized that i have to quite | 21:20 |
wiking | quit | 21:20 |
blackburn | lol | 21:20 |
wiking | i mean there was not much brain involved in the stories | 21:20 |
wiking | more like hard core coding | 21:20 |
blackburn | my problem is that I do not code at all | 21:20 |
blackburn | I have to fix some sql or some code but not to code something new | 21:21 |
blackburn | there is nothing to do left | 21:21 |
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wiking | :( | 21:25 |
wiking | fixing other people's code can really suck | 21:25 |
blackburn | wiking: I will use libqp too | 21:30 |
blackburn | :D | 21:31 |
wiking | :DDD | 21:31 |
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blackburn | kernel mean matching namely | 21:36 |
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wiking_ | asdf :> stack overflow | 21:42 |
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CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * reab67ba / (4 files in 2 dirs): Moved pr_loqo - http://git.io/MNPBKg | 21:48 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r3208b54 / (5 files in 2 dirs): Moved ssl - http://git.io/YR27ww | 21:48 |
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CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r00f3b79 / (13 files in 2 dirs): Moved gpdt,gpm,gptdsolve - http://git.io/fVVD-A | 22:06 |
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CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r667fcd5 / src/shogun/features/RejectionStrategy.h : Added experimental dixon Q test rejection strategy - http://git.io/HWPfAw | 23:24 |
CIA-64 | shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r686b412 / .gitignore : Updated git ignores - http://git.io/3Uh1tw | 23:24 |
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