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| n4nd0 | nicococo: hallo, how are you? | 15:08 |
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| nicococo | hi, fine. what about you? | 15:09 |
| n4nd0 | I am good | 15:10 |
| n4nd0 | I got a new mosek license :D | 15:10 |
| nicococo | very good .. now its working?? | 15:11 |
| n4nd0 | yeah, I can solve "big" problems again | 15:11 |
| nicococo | uuuhhh.. and the mc problem is solved therefore | 15:11 |
| nicococo | :) | 15:11 |
| n4nd0 | yeah | 15:12 |
| nicococo | fantastic! | 15:12 |
| n4nd0 | I have yet to checked that the results are reliable enough | 15:12 |
| n4nd0 | still better than yet :P | 15:12 |
| nicococo | ok ;) i think we then have to talk about the next steps right | 15:13 |
| nicococo | i mean the big picture steps | 15:13 |
| n4nd0 | yeah, we can talk a bit about it right now if you want | 15:13 |
| n4nd0 | I will have to go in a while though | 15:13 |
| nicococo | yes, because i want to go on vacation next month (for about 1 month) and would like to keep you busy ;) | 15:14 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 15:14 |
| n4nd0 | so hm-svm? | 15:14 |
| nicococo | in your application was a timetable that states: hmsvm and crf | 15:14 |
| n4nd0 | yes | 15:15 |
| n4nd0 | what do you think we should go for first? | 15:15 |
| nicococo | honestly, i don't know how much we can deviate from these goals (i have to ask) but i think the main goal is already achieved and there are a couple of new things. | 15:15 |
| n4nd0 | I would say hm-svm | 15:15 |
| n4nd0 | what are these new things? | 15:16 |
| n4nd0 | the optimizer? | 15:16 |
| nicococo | like: coffin, opensource solver | 15:16 |
| n4nd0 | yes | 15:16 |
| nicococo | what are your preferences? | 15:16 |
| n4nd0 | but I still think that hm-svm is important | 15:16 |
| n4nd0 | I won't be pleased until we have done that :) | 15:16 |
| nicococo | yes, and this will take a long time (can be quite tricky) | 15:17 |
| n4nd0 | I would say then hm-svm, coffin, solver and crf; in that order | 15:17 |
| n4nd0 | oh | 15:17 |
| nicococo | we can combine it with coffin.. | 15:17 |
| n4nd0 | what are the tricky points with hm-svm? | 15:17 |
| nicococo | its a whole bunch of little things that are not exactly hard to solve but not easy either | 15:18 |
| n4nd0 | mmm | 15:18 |
| n4nd0 | can you tell me a bit more in particular? :) | 15:19 |
| n4nd0 | or is it better to wait? | 15:19 |
| nicococo | okay what do you think about combining hm-svm with coffin?? | 15:19 |
| n4nd0 | while I have more or less an idea how hm-svm would fit in the framework | 15:20 |
| n4nd0 | I don't have it for coffin | 15:20 |
| n4nd0 | so I am not sure about the answer | 15:20 |
| n4nd0 | I understand that hm-svm should derive from CStructuredModel | 15:21 |
| nicococo | in my opinion combination with coffin would be 1) a new thing, 2) maybe easier for the task i am thinking of (procaryote gene prediction) | 15:21 |
| n4nd0 | it may be tricky as you say but I have clear the idea that we "just" need an argmax function, a psi and a delta loss | 15:21 |
| nicococo | mmhhh.. sorry.. there is more :) | 15:22 |
| n4nd0 | tell me | 15:22 |
| nicococo | ever heard of plif-functions? | 15:22 |
| n4nd0 | something about the labels too | 15:22 |
| n4nd0 | I have seen something around in shogun yes | 15:22 |
| n4nd0 | but I have no idea what they are | 15:22 |
| nicococo | and you also need a state model :) | 15:22 |
| n4nd0 | ? | 15:23 |
| nicococo | okay, there are two possible things: | 15:23 |
| nicococo | a) the one i told you two minutes ago | 15:24 |
| nicococo | b) building the hmsvm matlab framework | 15:24 |
| n4nd0 | what do you think? | 15:25 |
| n4nd0 | combination with coffin? | 15:25 |
| nicococo | i mean, you already had a look at the hmsvm-code, right? there are 30 files only for hm-svm :) its much more than argmax,delta | 15:25 |
| n4nd0 | yeah | 15:25 |
| n4nd0 | but the article gave me that idea :S | 15:26 |
| nicococo | theory-application gap ;) | 15:27 |
| n4nd0 | too bad | 15:27 |
| n4nd0 | :D | 15:27 |
| n4nd0 | anyhow | 15:28 |
| n4nd0 | let me know your opinion about each of the two possibilities :) | 15:28 |
| nicococo | i would like to go with the coffin-hmsvm.. | 15:28 |
| n4nd0 | I am ok with that | 15:29 |
| n4nd0 | but tell me why please ;) | 15:29 |
| n4nd0 | it's not a why meaning that I would like the other | 15:29 |
| n4nd0 | it's a why to gain understanding :) | 15:29 |
| nicococo | it is a new thing.. first step towards real-large scale (high dim) problems in so | 15:30 |
| nicococo | and much easier to implement in the basic version :)) | 15:30 |
| n4nd0 | sounds pretty nice to me | 15:30 |
| n4nd0 | all advantages :D | 15:30 |
| n4nd0 | do you have any application in mind for it? | 15:30 |
| nicococo | yes, i also know some people who can give you a hand when i am on vacation | 15:31 |
| nicococo | so, don't worry | 15:31 |
| n4nd0 | that's great | 15:31 |
| nicococo | we code an gene predictor for simple procaryote organism (like bacteria) | 15:32 |
| n4nd0 | no idea what's that :P | 15:32 |
| nicococo | .. with real data | 15:32 |
| nicococo | no toy data anymore ;) | 15:33 |
| n4nd0 | yeah | 15:33 |
| nicococo | okay, but first, the toy data mc-experiment | 15:33 |
| n4nd0 | sure | 15:33 |
| nicococo | can you test the coffin thing with that? | 15:33 |
| n4nd0 | we could do that | 15:33 |
| n4nd0 | but the coffind thing may take time | 15:34 |
| n4nd0 | coffin | 15:34 |
| nicococo | no prob | 15:34 |
| n4nd0 | I have to read a bit more about it and probably ask sonney2k | 15:34 |
| nicococo | did you already checked in the code for this exp? | 15:34 |
| nicococo | experiment | 15:34 |
| n4nd0 | for the mc example? | 15:34 |
| nicococo | yes | 15:35 |
| n4nd0 | not yet | 15:35 |
| n4nd0 | but I am able to do it in python now | 15:35 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k found the part I was missing | 15:35 |
| nicococo | super! (that was my next question) | 15:35 |
| nicococo | what was the problem? | 15:35 |
| n4nd0 | so I will commit the example this evening probably | 15:35 |
| n4nd0 | we have to include "class CStructuredModel" and the same for CLossFunction in the header of StructuredMachine | 15:36 |
| n4nd0 | it looks like a workaround for making it work with SWIG | 15:36 |
| nicococo | one thing less to worry about | 15:37 |
| n4nd0 | yes | 15:37 |
| nicococo | so, can we meet again on thursday and you put all the stuff in git and try to get coffin working with the example.. | 15:39 |
| n4nd0 | ok, let's do that | 15:39 |
| nicococo | its a bit short on time maybe.. but just have a look | 15:39 |
| n4nd0 | I will do my best :) | 15:39 |
| nicococo | ;) | 15:40 |
| nicococo | ok. then see you on thursday.. don't work too much :) | 15:40 |
| n4nd0 | haha ok | 15:41 |
| n4nd0 | bye | 15:41 |
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| emrecelikten | http://lwn.net/Articles/501536/ | 16:43 |
| emrecelikten | You guys should see this :D | 16:43 |
| blackburn | hahaha | 16:44 |
| n4nd0 | :D | 16:45 |
| wiking | :>> | 16:50 |
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| emrecelikten | I should mail this to Stallman | 16:52 |
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| wiking_ | emrecelikten: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/12/stallman_laptop_stolen/ | 16:55 |
| emrecelikten | wiking_: Yep, heard it the day it happened. He was crying | 16:56 |
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| emrecelikten | wiking: All of that config gone, that must have hurt | 17:02 |
| wiking | backup :) | 17:02 |
| emrecelikten | Even the OS? | 17:03 |
| emrecelikten | I should backup though, I would be demolished if something like that happened to me | 17:06 |
| emrecelikten | Thanks for reminding :) | 17:06 |
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| KMcQuisten | hey all. Has gsomix been around? I'm having some trouble still with DirectorKernels | 18:52 |
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| CIA-18 | shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r86919c0 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge pull request #581 from karlnapf/master (+8 more commits...) - http://git.io/O7Pfyw | 19:33 |
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| emrecelikten | Hahaha blamelist, never noticed it | 19:43 |
| emrecelikten | Nice | 19:43 |
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| puffin444 | Hey has anyone here had experience with clapack_dpotrf? | 20:08 |
| @sonney2k | KMcQuisten, what troubles? | 20:09 |
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| KMcQuisten | Just posted a description of it to the mailing list. | 20:10 |
| KMcQuisten | I made a trivial DircetorKernel for testing, provided it to LibSVR, and I get lots of garbage collection and segfault errors | 20:10 |
| @sonney2k | KMcQuisten, how many CPU cores does your machine have? | 20:11 |
| KMcQuisten | 2 | 20:11 |
| @sonney2k | set number of threads to 1 and try again | 20:11 |
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| @sonney2k | KMcQuisten, did that help? | 20:15 |
| KMcQuisten | Seemed to. My nontrivial example worked as well | 20:15 |
| KMcQuisten | Shame I can't seem to take advantage of multicore. | 20:16 |
| KMcQuisten | Oh well. at least it works | 20:16 |
| KMcQuisten | thanks | 20:17 |
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| gsomix | hi all | 20:19 |
| KMcQuisten | Hey there | 20:19 |
| @sonney2k | KMcQuisten, reason is that python doesn't support threads | 20:19 |
| @sonney2k | you know the GIL (global interpreter lock...) | 20:19 |
| @sonney2k | so no way | 20:19 |
| gsomix | It seems that all problems have decided on without me. :) Nice. | 20:19 |
| KMcQuisten | So the builtins can leverage parallel, but there's no way to make directorkernels work like that? | 20:20 |
| @sonney2k | KMcQuisten, please post the answer to the mailinglist - and give us some hint how we can warn the user ... | 20:20 |
| @sonney2k | KMcQuisten, yes no way | 20:20 |
| KMcQuisten | Hmm. | 20:21 |
| KMcQuisten | i wonder if the multiprocessing package could be used to help this. | 20:22 |
| @sonney2k | no | 20:22 |
| KMcQuisten | tried it? | 20:22 |
| @sonney2k | as I said it is a limitation of python | 20:22 |
| @sonney2k | at some europython conference I talked to guido the BDL about this ... no way | 20:23 |
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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: hey! | 21:54 |
| n4nd0 | about wiking and michal's pull requests | 21:54 |
| n4nd0 | I think it could be a good idea if they use the latest code of the SO framework | 21:54 |
| n4nd0 | it has changed a bit from the last PR you merged | 21:54 |
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| @sonney2k | n4nd0, sure | 22:26 |
| @sonney2k | they should | 22:26 |
| @sonney2k | problem really is that when they wait longer they have to merge and merge over and over again with all the changes coming... | 22:26 |
| n4nd0 | yeah, I understand | 22:35 |
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| gsomix | wow | 22:58 |
| n4nd0 | wiking: we are not in the blamelist! :D | 22:59 |
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