IRC logs of #shogun for Sunday, 2012-06-24

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CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r916983d / (4 files in 2 dirs): Made SGSparseVector inherited from SGReferencedData - http://git.io/QOct9A12:56
blackburnsonney2k: ping14:07
blackburnpluskid: around?14:07
pluskidblackburn: yeah14:07
blackburnpluskid: are you familiar with sgvector, etc?14:07
pluskidnope14:08
blackburnрьь14:08
blackburnhmm14:08
pluskidstrange characters :D14:08
blackburndo you remember we did some SGReferencedData class here?14:08
blackburnrussian14:08
pluskidyeah, I remember14:08
blackburnI have general C++ problem14:08
blackburnwe overrided operator= here14:08
pluskidthen what's the problem?14:09
blackburnand I need array of sparsevectors (inherited from sgreferenceddata)14:09
blackburnwhen I allocate it - it contains some crap14:09
blackburnand operator= fails because object is not initialized14:09
pluskidhow do you allocate an object without init it?14:10
blackburnSG_MALLOC14:10
pluskidthe constructor should init the object properly14:10
pluskidoh, if you use SG_MALLOC14:10
blackburnyeah..14:10
pluskidthen I'm afraid you have to manually call the constructors14:10
blackburnprobably new should be here14:10
pluskidyou can use "inplace new" to call the constructors on pre-allocated memory14:11
pluskidor is it called "placement new"? I cannot remember correctly14:11
blackburnhmm?14:11
pluskidthe syntax is this14:11
blackburndoes it require to use X**?14:11
blackburnI have X* array14:11
pluskidnew(addr) T(param);14:12
blackburnwow14:12
pluskidwhere addr is the address of the memory you allocated for T14:12
blackburnI didn't know about it14:13
pluskidit is rarely used14:13
pluskidwhen you need to use this, remember to manually call the destructors before SG_UNREF14:13
pluskidthere seems no special syntax for calling destructors, just call them like normal functions: addr->~T()14:14
blackburnyeah14:14
blackburnpluskid: can it be just new(ptr) class?14:15
blackburnwithout left part14:15
pluskidyeah14:15
pluskidleft part?14:15
blackburnclass* x = new(ptr) class14:15
blackburnyeah it can be14:15
blackburnjust tried14:16
pluskid:D14:17
blackburnuhh14:17
blackburndestruction could be a problem14:17
pluskidwhy?14:17
blackburnah no14:17
blackburnpluskid: did you try shareboost already?14:18
blackburnthey claim pretty cool performance14:18
pluskidI only tried on toy data14:18
pluskidto see the training error14:18
pluskid~70% with 10 features14:18
pluskidhaven't evaluated the test error yet14:19
blackburntry on MNIST14:19
blackburnmost interesting data for that I think14:19
pluskidah, yeah14:19
pluskidmy poor laptop~~~14:19
blackburnbuy new ;)14:20
blackburnI am going to buy new one next week14:20
pluskidcool, what is that?14:20
blackburnsamsung np53014:20
blackburnwith 128gb ssd and i5 cpu14:20
pluskidwow14:20
blackburnI am also going to install additional 4gb ram14:20
blackburnso would have 8 gb of ram14:21
pluskidand the appearance looks cool, too!14:21
blackburnyeah just like macbook air but much cheapier14:22
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CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r57064fa / (2 files): Fixed dense matrix handling in sparse features - http://git.io/99PhHQ14:50
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * ra55f500 / .gitignore : Updated gitignore - http://git.io/ZcTG8w14:50
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blackburnpluskid: is your shareboost stuff ready to merge?15:06
pluskidblackburn: I think so, asking for reviewing15:35
blackburnpluskid: okay I'll check and merge a little bit later15:37
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rddad7f3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Got sparse features to work - http://git.io/WXJB1g15:38
pluskidthanks!15:39
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@sonney2kblackburn, welcome the new server :D21:33
puffin444New server?21:36
@sonney2kpuffin444, shogun-toolbox is now running on a quad-core dedicated server21:38
puffin444the irc server? what server?21:39
puffin444The webpage?21:39
@sonney2kpuffin444, website, buildbot, etc21:39
@sonney2k100Mbit connection21:39
@sonney2k1 TB harddrive21:39
puffin444nice!21:39
blackburnsonney2k: cool21:39
puffin444Hey just a question: What do you guys think about solid state hds?21:40
@sonney2kthey are expensive :D21:40
blackburnI'm going to buy a notebook with ssd on tuesday21:40
puffin444My box may joint laptop heaven by the end of next year. Just wondered if you had any experience with ssds21:41
puffin444*join21:42
blackburnI'll have some next week21:42
@sonney2kpuffin444, my mac has one21:42
@sonney2kbut it is probably too old21:42
puffin444Do you think they are worth it?21:42
blackburnpuffin444: what is cost of macbook air in usa?21:43
@sonney2kpuffin444, mine is a bit slow when compiling21:43
blackburnsonney2k: do you have two drives in there?21:44
@sonney2kso compiling with >1 CPU is slow21:44
puffin444A quick google such suggests they range from 600-1600 american dollars21:44
puffin444I have two drives, dual core.21:44
@sonney2kblackburn, I replaced the useless dvd drive with a 1 TB hd21:45
blackburnsonney2k: cool21:45
blackburndidn't know it is possible21:45
blackburndo they provide SATA for dvd drive?21:45
@sonney2kall sata yes21:46
blackburncrazy21:46
@sonney2kbut recall my machine is a bit old now21:46
blackburnhowever useless21:46
@sonney2k4 (?) years21:46
blackburn4 years and has ssd?21:46
blackburn64gb?21:46
@sonney2k51221:46
blackburn512gb ssd??21:46
@sonney2ky21:46
blackburn?!!21:46
blackburnhow can that be21:47
blackburn:)21:47
blackburnit was very expensive 4 years before I guess21:48
@sonney2kerr 256GB21:48
@sonney2ksry21:48
blackburnyeah.. 256 is very expensive still21:48
blackburnbut 512 is nearly unavailable21:49
blackburnsonney2k: do you have 17"?21:49
blackburnor 15.6" one?21:49
puffin444Does it boot up in ten seconds?21:50
blackburnyeah I'm interested too21:51
blackburnsonney2k: ah btw did you optimize your debian for SSDs?21:51
blackburngoogle told me there are some options21:51
blackburnto make experience better21:51
blackburnpuffin444: macbook is more expensive there than in usa:(21:53
puffin444:(21:54
blackburnI would buy it for 1.2K$ for sure I think21:55
blackburnpuffin444: I am going to buy 5 series samsung21:56
blackburnshould be cool still21:56
blackburn:)21:56
blackburnpuffin444: do you have some old box?21:57
@sonney2kpuffin444, what ssd's are good at is low latency21:57
@sonney2kso basically no more seeking21:57
@sonney2kthis really speeds up starting of apps21:58
puffin444I guess it depends on your perspective. I have an HP HDX dragon from 2008. She has served me well, but she is showing her age.21:58
puffin444The keys are falling off, lots of the button don't work any. No more battery. It weights 20 lbs or ~10 kilos21:59
puffin444*any more21:59
blackburn~10 kg??!21:59
puffin444yes.21:59
blackburnreally22:00
blackburn?22:00
blackburn:D22:00
blackburnyou should love new ultrabooks22:00
blackburnwith weight sth like 1.1-1.5 kg22:00
blackburnpuffin444: I broke keys in my notebook two times - shopped new ones at ebay22:01
puffin444hmmm... may I should do that.22:01
@sonney2kblackburn, how old is yours?22:01
blackburnsonney2k: jan of 201022:01
blackburnvery young22:02
blackburnbut I am pretty inaccurate hehe22:02
@sonney2kI always had mine for 4-5 years22:02
puffin444Here's a description: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2127420,00.asp22:03
blackburnI am going to give this one to my parents and enjoy faster and lighter22:03
puffin444It's more like 7kg22:03
blackburn20"??22:03
blackburnomfg22:03
puffin444yes22:03
blackburnpuffin444: do you carry it?22:03
puffin444yes. It's good exercise :)22:04
puffin444Can't really take it into a lecture though.22:04
blackburnI feel myself bad then carrying on mine 2.5 kg notebook + some papers whole day long22:04
puffin444I strap it on my back sort of like a farmer/22:04
blackburnit is damn huge22:04
blackburnpuffin444: you should get something smaller :D22:06
puffin444At its prime the battery lasted 45 mins :)22:06
@sonney2khaha22:06
blackburnit is just like some huge TV22:06
blackburnhttp://www9.pcmag.com/media/images/159275-hp-pavilion-hdx9000-right-angle.jpg22:06
blackburncould be node of some cluster22:06
blackburnpuffin444: have you ever broke table with it?22:07
blackburnI am still impressed22:08
blackburn:D22:08
@sonney2kblackburn, any ideas how to fix the build?22:08
blackburnis it broken?22:08
puffin444No but it was too large for some of the lecture desks22:08
blackburnhaha22:08
blackburnprofessor can lost you behind this book22:09
puffin444yes. It was a major distraction in the lectures. It has really functioned more like a portable desktop for me.22:09
blackburnsonney2k: what is broken exactly?22:10
puffin444I got it a year after release at a great price because noone wanted to buy such a large laptop.22:14
blackburnpuffin444: anyway I'll tell you my experience with latest SSD22:15
blackburnbut it should be great I believe22:15
blackburnlatency and speed22:15
blackburnless heat22:15
puffin444yes please tell me when you get it22:16
blackburnpuffin444: this one you have should be very warm guy, right?22:18
puffin444Yes, and what worries me is that the fans are starting to go out22:18
puffin444Sounds like a helicopter22:19
blackburnhahah22:19
blackburnyeah I think same engine here22:19
puffin444It's a tragedy for HP. I can't believe it first sold at that outrageous price in that article.22:19
blackburn4000???22:22
blackburnpuffin444: what was price for you?22:22
blackburnfor 4K one can buy some car22:23
blackburn:D22:23
puffin444Yes that is rediculous. They slashed it by roughly half, which is still pretty expensive but worth it considering its horsepower22:23
puffin444No one wanted a tank for laptop.22:24
blackburnpuffin444: well probably latest macbook pro has similar power now22:25
puffin444Yes, and probably at a better price.22:25
blackburnheh right22:25
blackburnbut not of bus size22:26
blackburnI consider my 15.6" display as big - feel too close22:26
blackburnhowever you can split your screen22:27
blackburnand edit 8 files simultaneously22:27
blackburnhehe22:27
puffin444Yeah the view is nice, and it has doubled as a TV for my dorm.22:29
puffin444It even comes with a remote22:29
blackburnheh22:29
puffin444I also can't have it as a carry-on in an airplane.22:32
blackburnlol22:32
puffin444So it gets beat up with the checked in luggage. I managed to get it on the plane once but I was scared because it exceeds the size and weight restrictions.22:32
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