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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: there you go | 00:15 |
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| n4nd0 | take a look please | 00:15 |
| @sonney2k | much better already | 00:16 |
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| @sonney2k | n4nd0, this is also stupid: http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/documentation/downloads | 00:29 |
| @sonney2k | any idea where this should go? | 00:29 |
| n4nd0 | what do you find stupid? | 00:30 |
| n4nd0 | that Source code, MD5, etc is repeated thousand times or the place where it appears | 00:30 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, downloads are under documentation | 00:31 |
| @sonney2k | that simply doesn't fit there | 00:31 |
| @sonney2k | ohh and the FAQ should be under documentation too | 00:31 |
| @sonney2k | could you do that? | 00:31 |
| n4nd0 | what about changing DEV -> CODE | 00:32 |
| n4nd0 | and put downloads as a subpage there | 00:32 |
| @sonney2k | hmm dev was meant to be developer resources/information | 00:32 |
| @sonney2k | it might better fit under documentation though | 00:33 |
| @sonney2k | now that we have subpages | 00:33 |
| @sonney2k | then somehow news and planet should be under one thing | 00:34 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: FAQ is under documentation now | 00:34 |
| @sonney2k | and I dont' know but I would expect a separate download button | 00:34 |
| n4nd0 | under about :) | 00:34 |
| @sonney2k | not news like we call it | 00:34 |
| @sonney2k | argh | 00:34 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: what do you mean with a separate download button? | 00:34 |
| @sonney2k | other toolboxes usually have | 00:35 |
| n4nd0 | like download now on the home page directly downloads it? | 00:35 |
| @sonney2k | about, documentation, contact, download | 00:35 |
| n4nd0 | aham I see | 00:35 |
| @sonney2k | our news == downloads in fact | 00:35 |
| @sonney2k | a bit weird | 00:35 |
| n4nd0 | hehe yeah | 00:35 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, please put FAQ to the very right | 00:36 |
| n4nd0 | let's see how that is done :D | 00:37 |
| n4nd0 | I guess sort order | 00:37 |
| n4nd0 | but no idea really | 00:37 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, look at http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/about/ourteam -isn't that a weird page | 00:37 |
| @sonney2k | no pictures no nothing | 00:37 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, yes sort order | 00:37 |
| @sonney2k | just put a 4 there | 00:37 |
| @sonney2k | just a few names | 00:37 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: yeah, that page is really poor | 00:37 |
| n4nd0 | we need something there | 00:38 |
| n4nd0 | look at my friend's website | 00:38 |
| n4nd0 | http://erlerobot.com/blog/equipo/?lang=en | 00:38 |
| n4nd0 | something like that would be cool | 00:38 |
| n4nd0 | well the special effects for the pictures are not needed.. | 00:38 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, yeah exactly sth like that | 00:39 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, coudl you please move dev also under documentation? | 00:39 |
| n4nd0 | sure | 00:40 |
| n4nd0 | current subpages of dev as sub-subpages right? | 00:40 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, yes | 00:41 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: it is done now | 00:49 |
| n4nd0 | however DEV subpage is empty (because before it was a page and pages do not have articles, subpages have them) | 00:49 |
| n4nd0 | we should put something there so once you click on DEV you don't get a blank page below | 00:49 |
| n4nd0 | ok time to sleep now | 00:55 |
| n4nd0 | good nigth | 00:55 |
| n4nd0 | or night or whatever :) | 00:56 |
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| shogun-buildbot_ | build #329 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/nightly_default/builds/329 | 04:21 |
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| sonne|work | n4nd0: morning! | 08:50 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: hello hello | 09:15 |
| n4nd0 | tell me | 09:15 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: what? | 09:21 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: haha ok I thought you wanted to tell me something :) | 09:22 |
| n4nd0 | about the webpage or so | 09:22 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: wellf or the website - how can we make the initial DEV page not to be blank? | 09:34 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: we have to associate it with an article | 09:35 |
| sonne|work | then please do? | 09:35 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: what about getting rid of the Getting Started below | 09:36 |
| n4nd0 | and put it on the initial DEV | 09:36 |
| sonne|work | why can getting started not be shown as the initial DEV? | 09:38 |
| sonne|work | it makes sense but do we have to remove the getting started? | 09:39 |
| n4nd0 | mm I am not sure we can redirect the initial DEV to getting started | 09:39 |
| n4nd0 | it is not the same relation between pages and subpages | 09:39 |
| n4nd0 | than between subpages and sub-subpages | 09:39 |
| n4nd0 | subpages are associated to articles | 09:39 |
| n4nd0 | to when you click on any subpage (independently from being sub-subpage or just subpage) an article is going to be shown | 09:40 |
| sonne|work | yeah but why couldn't a sub-subpage be handled the same way? | 09:44 |
| sonne|work | I don't understand this yet | 09:44 |
| sonne|work | anyway I am fine with getting started for dev to appear first | 09:44 |
| sonne|work | and I think we can rename dev to developer | 09:44 |
| sonne|work | :) | 09:44 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: it is looking better now | 09:47 |
| n4nd0 | I moved one of the articles in Getting started to the main DEV | 09:47 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: can we do the same with Information? | 09:47 |
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| sonne|work | Information should be user documentation right? | 09:48 |
| sonne|work | we could just show what we currently call links | 09:49 |
| sonne|work | and other information also as sub-sub page | 09:49 |
| n4nd0 | we have actually two information :D | 09:54 |
| sonne|work | It is all still too confusing :/ | 09:55 |
| sonne|work | We somehow need download | 09:55 |
| sonne|work | under download one can find all the releases | 09:55 |
| sonne|work | but where do we put source code git checkout stuff? | 09:56 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: where is that currently? | 09:56 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: regarding the current documentation/information, I would put it under documentation/developer in a new sub-subpage called API | 09:57 |
| sonne|work | http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/documentation/dev | 09:57 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: woudl you agree that we should put http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/documentation/samples under about/samples ? | 09:57 |
| sonne|work | and under about/information better have all the our team etc as sub-subpages? | 09:58 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: yeah | 09:58 |
| sonne|work | let me move samples | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | samples are not documentation indeed | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 09:59 |
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| n4nd0 | sonne|work: you have to uncheck the box is topsubpage? in the subpage samples, put root page about | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | and in the subpage information (inside page about) select samples as child subapge | 10:00 |
| n4nd0 | ah no wait | 10:00 |
| n4nd0 | we wanted samples as normal subpage in about | 10:00 |
| sonne|work | I did sth but got internal server error | 10:00 |
| n4nd0 | nvm | 10:00 |
| n4nd0 | :/ | 10:01 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: how do I move our team in about to become a subpage of information? | 10:01 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: uncheck is top subpage in our team subpage | 10:01 |
| sonne|work | ahh ok | 10:01 |
| n4nd0 | and select is as child subpage in information | 10:01 |
| n4nd0 | yeah, that's it | 10:02 |
| n4nd0 | let's get rid of Documentation/Information | 10:04 |
| n4nd0 | I don't really like two Information subpages in about and Documentation | 10:04 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: what do you suggest? | 10:04 |
| sonne|work | me neither | 10:04 |
| sonne|work | but links is also not the correct term | 10:05 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: documentation/information goes do documentation/developer in a new sub-subpage called API | 10:05 |
| n4nd0 | we have there the link to doxygen | 10:05 |
| n4nd0 | so I think it is fine to call it API | 10:06 |
| sonne|work | wait | 10:06 |
| sonne|work | this page has lots of content not related to api | 10:06 |
| sonne|work | I mean installation, screenshots, tutorial, examples ... | 10:06 |
| sonne|work | that is not api | 10:06 |
| n4nd0 | true | 10:06 |
| sonne|work | what would one expect when one clicks on documentation? | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | IMHO | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | Installation is one thing | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | ok one step back even | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | imagine you have no idea what shogun is | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | what do you do | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | you first go to the homepage | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | browse the screenshots at the bottom | 10:07 |
| sonne|work | and then maybe go to about | 10:08 |
| sonne|work | so there we need some intro to what shogun is about, what is machine learning in general | 10:08 |
| sonne|work | currently it is assumed that you already are a hardcore ML guy | 10:09 |
| sonne|work | so about/information should give some mini ML info and then say what shogun is about / feature matrix strengths etc | 10:09 |
| sonne|work | then when one is interested | 10:09 |
| sonne|work | one would download that thing | 10:09 |
| sonne|work | so we need some download knob | 10:09 |
| sonne|work | and once downloaded I guess one would search how to install and use the thing | 10:10 |
| sonne|work | documentation | 10:10 |
| n4nd0 | mmm I am not so sure if we should add mini intro to ML | 10:10 |
| sonne|work | install | 10:10 |
| sonne|work | so under documentation I would expect install | 10:10 |
| sonne|work | and then some user documentation, developer docuemtnation | 10:11 |
| sonne|work | tutorial | 10:11 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: well think of some dj3s & shogun based demo | 10:12 |
| sonne|work | would be cool | 10:12 |
| sonne|work | certainly nothing we do now / soon | 10:12 |
| n4nd0 | yeah that would be cool indeed | 10:13 |
| sonne|work | n4nd0: for now we should just try to get the structure of the page OKish such that new students | 10:17 |
| sonne|work | a) figure out what shogun is about | 10:17 |
| sonne|work | b) manage to download the source code / install it | 10:18 |
| sonne|work | c) run some examples | 10:18 |
| sonne|work | d) find the developer documentation and do some minimal stuff | 10:18 |
| sonne|work | that is quite a lot already... | 10:19 |
| n4nd0 | mmm it might be | 10:19 |
| n4nd0 | sonne|work: can you add some of the changes in the structure you mentioned? I think you know better how it should look like | 10:19 |
| n4nd0 | then I can start filling in some missing info if needed | 10:20 |
| sonne|work | I am just discussing | 10:23 |
| n4nd0 | hehe ok | 10:25 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: I am thinking about going to prague and then visit berlin by bus | 10:51 |
| sonne|work | blackburn: then you can visit vojtech in prague :) | 10:52 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: much easier to get to czech republic for me - quite popular route | 10:52 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: I have friend from my city working for vojtech :) | 10:52 |
| sonne|work | or him :) | 10:52 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: BMRM thingy btw | 10:52 |
| blackburn | or something similar | 10:52 |
| blackburn | I'll push him to put it to shogun later | 10:53 |
| sonne|work | heh | 10:53 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: visa is pain in the ass | 10:53 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: to get german visa I should either prepare all documents and visit consulate in moscow (that costs >300$ to just visit moscow) or pay ~200$ :D | 10:55 |
| sonne|work | what? | 10:56 |
| sonne|work | crazy | 10:56 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: that's a business to help with visas (second case) | 10:59 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: first case is that I live in 'province' thus no german consulate for me around | 11:00 |
| blackburn | sonne|work: ha it is just 300 km from prague to berlin | 11:04 |
| blackburn | I go by bus each weekend for 100 km back and forth | 11:05 |
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| ZeThomas | hey, I have a question: I have a SVMLight object, trained and all, and I want, for a new feature vector x, to compute just the <w.x> + b | 11:26 |
| ZeThomas | what's the simplest way of doing this? | 11:26 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: hey | 11:27 |
| n4nd0 | it looks like you should create a Features object and use apply | 11:27 |
| blackburn | no not really | 11:27 |
| n4nd0 | sorry then :) | 11:27 |
| blackburn | let me check | 11:27 |
| blackburn | ahh | 11:28 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yes probably | 11:28 |
| ZeThomas | but if I apply, it just gives me the label? | 11:28 |
| n4nd0 | ZeThomas: yeah | 11:29 |
| n4nd0 | ZeThomas: so you want the actual score? | 11:29 |
| ZeThomas | n4nd0, I want the specific value, not just its sign | 11:29 |
| n4nd0 | there should be something for that as well.. | 11:29 |
| ZeThomas | that's what I thought, but haven't found it yet.. | 11:29 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: ahh you need confidence | 11:30 |
| n4nd0 | ZeThomas: what is the interface you are using? | 11:30 |
| ZeThomas | modshogun, python | 11:30 |
| n4nd0 | in python it would be as easy as | 11:30 |
| n4nd0 | np.dot(svm.get_w(), x) + svm.get_bias() | 11:30 |
| n4nd0 | or something very similar to that | 11:30 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: try labels.get_values() | 11:31 |
| blackburn | to get real-valued outputs | 11:31 |
| ZeThomas | yes, but I don't find a get_w in my dir(svm) | 11:31 |
| n4nd0 | ZeThomas: what? | 11:31 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: n4nd0: yes there is no get_w in svmlight | 11:32 |
| ZeThomas | n4nd0: AttributeError: 'SVMLight' object has no attribute 'get_w' | 11:32 |
| blackburn | svmlight is a kernel method | 11:32 |
| n4nd0 | oh I see | 11:32 |
| blackburn | there is a trick to get w - I can check it out - but in general if your problem is linear why to use kernel method, right? :) | 11:33 |
| n4nd0 | true hehe | 11:33 |
| ZeThomas | I can compute the w from get_alphas and get_support_vectors | 11:33 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: yes of course | 11:33 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: or you could call get_w of linear kernel | 11:34 |
| ZeThomas | blackburn, no I need the kernel | 11:35 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: alright - just call get_w on linear kernel if you need w, or labels.get_values() if you need real-valued output | 11:35 |
| ZeThomas | but get_values() just gives me an array of 1. and -1., no? | 11:37 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: oh that should not happen - get_labels should return that | 11:38 |
| blackburn | ZeThomas: it works here at least | 11:39 |
| blackburn | :) | 11:39 |
| ZeThomas | blackburn: oh, I see | 11:40 |
| ZeThomas | that indeed solves my question, thanks so much | 11:40 |
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| @sonney2k | blackburn, how much time do we still have? | 19:26 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: before? | 19:26 |
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