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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: it seems to be important that both admin and backup admin have updated their profile in melange, have we already done that? | 08:44 |
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| blackburn | n4nd0: what's that about admins? | 09:04 |
| Yanglittle | hey, Is it implemented the L1-norm mkl in shogun? I read the mkl_multiclass.m file, it needs to provide the weights for each kernel. | 09:05 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: Gary Bradski sent a reminder today to GSoC's ML | 09:05 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: let me show you | 09:06 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: http://pastebin.com/RUpGrBfp | 09:06 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: alright thanks | 09:07 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I think I have updated my profile but not sure what it means :D | 09:07 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: hehe I am not sure either | 09:07 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I think I did it too. | 09:07 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, could you please check out http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2012_ideas / etc | 09:07 |
| blackburn | at least I converted my profile to mentor/admin | 09:07 |
| n4nd0 | I guess it should be enough to log in in there and check that your profile has your name and so | 09:07 |
| blackburn | from student | 09:08 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: 2012 or 2013 ideas? | 09:08 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I've updated the css to look more stylish. please check if links are ok / it looks better | 09:08 |
| @sonney2k | 2012 & 11 | 09:08 |
| blackburn | Yanglittle: yes we do have L1 MKL | 09:08 |
| n4nd0 | aham ok | 09:08 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: so the problem with those pages is that some links fail | 09:08 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, please fix them then | 09:09 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: check for example the first two links in GSoC 2012 pages | 09:09 |
| n4nd0 | GSoC 2011 ideas gets back to homepage | 09:09 |
| Yanglittle | I mean it can't learn the weights automatically? | 09:09 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, yeah please put a proper link there | 09:09 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: ok | 09:09 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I just see that we even have a wrong link on the front page %-/ | 09:09 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k, blackburn : we really need to polish http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2013_ideas | 09:10 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, click MORE on the middle box | 09:10 |
| blackburn | Yanglittle: no, why? it could learn the weights | 09:10 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, we will do today | 09:10 |
| n4nd0 | good! | 09:10 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: btw I have an X-file here | 09:13 |
| n4nd0 | for some links, it doesn't matter how hard/how many times I try to define it as "open in this window/frame" | 09:13 |
| n4nd0 | it keeps on opening it on a new window | 09:14 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, maybe one can do that via css? | 09:16 |
| n4nd0 | mmm maybe, no idea honestly | 09:17 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: I think it is more of an HTML thing | 09:17 |
| n4nd0 | an option for the <a> tag | 09:18 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, but you have no options in there | 09:19 |
| n4nd0 | yes it is actually | 09:19 |
| n4nd0 | let me try modifying the HTML from the admin view | 09:20 |
| n4nd0 | meh it doesn't really matter | 09:21 |
| n4nd0 | I don't know why but the change always reverts | 09:21 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: ModelSelectionParameter("width").as(EXPONENTIAL).from(-10).to(10); | 09:22 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: ^ | 09:22 |
| n4nd0 | hehe | 09:22 |
| blackburn | what do you think? | 09:22 |
| n4nd0 | do we have complex numbers there or?? | 09:22 |
| blackburn | I came to it when I was setting to sleep last night.. | 09:22 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: why? | 09:22 |
| blackburn | exp -10 is real | 09:23 |
| blackburn | :) | 09:23 |
| n4nd0 | aham I thought that it should be sth like | 09:23 |
| n4nd0 | exp(x) = -10 | 09:23 |
| blackburn | ModelSelectionParameter("kernel").from(gaussian_kernel,linear_kernel); | 09:23 |
| blackburn | I think that's pretty readable? | 09:24 |
| n4nd0 | yes, it is indeed | 09:24 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: n4nd0: concept goes here https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/959 | 09:40 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: let's see what Heiko thinks when he comes around? | 09:41 |
| blackburn | yeah | 09:41 |
| n4nd0 | he developed the model selection framework right? | 09:41 |
| blackburn | yes | 09:42 |
| n4nd0 | API or framework, I use these words too loosely :D | 09:42 |
| Yanglittle | error: glpk.h from GNU glpk not included at compile time necessary here,,what dir should I put it in? | 09:52 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, builder pattern :) | 09:55 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, might be that we could just do that from C++ | 09:55 |
| @sonney2k | so it would work for all interfaces | 09:56 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, which links are opening new targets? | 09:57 |
| @sonney2k | (and you don't want them to.) | 09:57 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2012_ideas the two first ones here for example | 09:58 |
| n4nd0 | GSoC 2011 ideas and back to shogun tool... | 09:58 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, but there is target="_blank" in there | 09:59 |
| @sonney2k | so it is easily fixed | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: hehe try and tell me if you succeed :) | 09:59 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, shall I or will you? | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | I have already tried | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | it just reappears | 09:59 |
| @sonney2k | ok then let me try | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | maybe I was doing something wrong though | 09:59 |
| n4nd0 | I tried both using HTML and the admin GUI interface | 09:59 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: yes that's somewhat like builder but without build | 09:59 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I see no problem implementing it with swig | 10:00 |
| blackburn | no at all | 10:00 |
| blackburn | Yanglittle: is it detected on ./configure? | 10:00 |
| blackburn | have to go be back soon | 10:01 |
| Yanglittle | maybe just now it didn't update, I installed again , now it's ok. | 10:06 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, interesting. doesn't work here either. I guess it is some tinymce thing | 10:07 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: aham, it could be | 10:07 |
| n4nd0 | it looks like a bug to me though | 10:07 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, it indeed is a feature | 10:09 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, actually tinymce converts urls even | 10:10 |
| @sonney2k | it can do absolute <->releateive | 10:10 |
| @sonney2k | relative | 10:10 |
| @sonney2k | etc | 10:10 |
| @sonney2k | and it always adds a target | 10:10 |
| n4nd0 | ahm I see | 10:10 |
| @sonney2k | I think we should just write _self there as target | 10:11 |
| @sonney2k | let me try | 10:11 |
| n4nd0 | but it should be possible to do without opening a new window as well I think | 10:11 |
| n4nd0 | aham! ok let's see | 10:11 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: ok, all the links in GSoC 2012 and GSoC 2011 are well now | 10:13 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: is there any way we can use the same style in GSoC 2011 and 2012 pages for the new 2013 one?? | 10:14 |
| n4nd0 | btw you must have like 100 visits to your personal webpage from Sweden today haha | 10:15 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, that still opens a new window :/ | 10:16 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, from you :) | 10:16 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I've found how to do it | 10:26 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, click the full screen mode of tinymce | 10:27 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, then click the link | 10:27 |
| @sonney2k | then go to the button with the chain | 10:27 |
| @sonney2k | click it | 10:27 |
| @sonney2k | and then you get a menu where can configure everything | 10:27 |
| @sonney2k | same target new target whatever | 10:27 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: wow, good job! | 10:28 |
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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: should I change the two in GSoC 2012 or are you on it? | 10:34 |
| n4nd0 | ok you already did it | 10:40 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, we need more content everywhere | 10:44 |
| @sonney2k | *sigh* | 10:44 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: more specifically? | 10:44 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, all the stuff / posts we had for gsoc 2011/2012 | 10:45 |
| @sonney2k | it is gone somehwere | 10:45 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: aren't those thins in news?? | 10:45 |
| n4nd0 | I thought so | 10:45 |
| @sonney2k | only that our 'news' is Downloads | 10:46 |
| n4nd0 | hehe confusing | 10:46 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, could you please remove all these target=_blank stuff in the gsoc2012 / 2011 ideas lists? | 10:48 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, you can use the html editor for that now | 10:48 |
| @sonney2k | (I guess copy & paste to vim and paste back is easiest) | 10:48 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: yes, I think it doesn't look good opening new windows for the links in the ToCs | 10:49 |
| @sonney2k | hehe no | 10:49 |
| n4nd0 | the other ones through the text are good though | 10:49 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: how do you mean doing it with vim? I didn't understand | 10:49 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, press html knob | 10:49 |
| @sonney2k | then copy things into vim and paste back | 10:49 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, meanwhile I am copying things over from my blog to shogun-toolbox.org | 10:51 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 10:51 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, oopsy I killed the 2011 content | 10:56 |
| @sonney2k | ahh no | 10:56 |
| @sonney2k | still there | 10:56 |
| @sonney2k | puh | 10:56 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: the thing of the links it is not working fine | 10:57 |
| @sonney2k | ? | 10:57 |
| n4nd0 | it doesn't modify the html I think | 10:57 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, did you press update? | 10:58 |
| n4nd0 | and once the page is saved again, the links are opening a new window again :S | 10:58 |
| n4nd0 | I pressesd saved in the editor | 10:58 |
| n4nd0 | the thing is that I don't see any difference in the html code | 10:58 |
| n4nd0 | between the links that open new windows and the ones that do not | 10:59 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, ??? | 10:59 |
| n4nd0 | all of them are open in new windows now again though.. | 10:59 |
| n4nd0 | check the links again | 10:59 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, what did you do? | 10:59 |
| n4nd0 | you can see that they are opened in new windows (as we didn't want to do) | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | I didn't do anything :) | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | hehe | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | I just opened the change article window once | 11:00 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well it worked here so what did you do ? | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | and pressed save after changing a typo | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | and the links got lost | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: try on your own you can believe me :) | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | fix a link again so it opens in the same window | 11:00 |
| n4nd0 | then open the change article again | 11:01 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, where did you change a typo? | 11:01 |
| n4nd0 | useability -> usability | 11:01 |
| @sonney2k | where! | 11:01 |
| @sonney2k | which page??? | 11:01 |
| n4nd0 | http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2012_ideas | 11:01 |
| n4nd0 | in the first of the list "Improving accesibility to shogun" | 11:02 |
| n4nd0 | but the links above it also screwed then | 11:02 |
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| @sonney2k | n4nd0, please press shift reload on some admin page | 11:02 |
| @sonney2k | your browser likely cached the .js | 11:03 |
| n4nd0 | done | 11:03 |
| n4nd0 | shift+F5 several times done | 11:03 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well I just fixed the page ... so it is working | 11:04 |
| n4nd0 | let me try modifying gsoc 2012 ideas from the admin interface | 11:05 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: it is just remove the target="_blank" thingys right? | 11:05 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, yes | 11:07 |
| n4nd0 | then update in the hmtl then save in the change article page | 11:07 |
| n4nd0 | wow it is working fine now, alegria! | 11:08 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, as I said you browser cached the .js | 11:08 |
| n4nd0 | it'd make sense indeed | 11:09 |
| n4nd0 | you are wise :) | 11:10 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: links in the table of contents are good now | 11:16 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: btw I think this has to be done through the css; you see that all the info appears sort of framed? But there is no line on the right side of the frames. I think it would look better with it | 11:17 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, look at this http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2011 | 11:18 |
| @sonney2k | I am a bit lost how we should do things | 11:19 |
| n4nd0 | tell me | 11:19 |
| @sonney2k | for GSoC we should have ideas list (subsubpage), Aftermath and? | 11:19 |
| @sonney2k | what troubles me is that for workshop we have somehow | 11:20 |
| @sonney2k | program / registration | 11:20 |
| @sonney2k | and a news page | 11:20 |
| @sonney2k | so I would love to have a similar structure for everything now | 11:20 |
| @sonney2k | (all events) | 11:20 |
| n4nd0 | mmm I understand | 11:20 |
| @sonney2k | so what should have a subsubmenu? | 11:20 |
| @sonney2k | I mean workshop program / registration is obviously static | 11:21 |
| n4nd0 | however I think that since GSoC and workshop are different things, it is ok that they have different number of sub-subpages | 11:21 |
| @sonney2k | gsoc ideas list is too | 11:21 |
| n4nd0 | gut I guess we could have | 11:21 |
| n4nd0 | the main GSoC 20XX showing something similar to what GSoC 2012 shows now | 11:21 |
| n4nd0 | then GSoC 20XX ideas list | 11:22 |
| n4nd0 | and then one more called something like blog or news | 11:22 |
| n4nd0 | where the stuff like the one you are adding now in main GSoC 2011 appear | 11:22 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, so you suggest that this first thing is an overview page only? | 11:23 |
| n4nd0 | so my idea is: a short main GSoC 20XX for each and then two subpages with long contents | 11:23 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, but how do we structure that with gsoc2013? | 11:23 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: yes | 11:23 |
| @sonney2k | I mean we have there 'we will apply for 2013' | 11:23 |
| n4nd0 | mmm well the news in gsoc 2013 will be empty atm | 11:23 |
| @sonney2k | then if / once we are in do we add a participation thing on top | 11:23 |
| n4nd0 | no, we just modify it | 11:24 |
| @sonney2k | then basically this entrance page is the news page | 11:24 |
| n4nd0 | we are planning -> we are partipating | 11:24 |
| @sonney2k | but then the old page is lost | 11:24 |
| n4nd0 | mm why? we can just modify the name of the article | 11:25 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I mean would you do the same for the workshop? We had there we are planning to have a workshop | 11:25 |
| n4nd0 | I see no we are planning to have a workshop | 11:26 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well there is no official announcement | 11:26 |
| @sonney2k | it is just save the date | 11:26 |
| @sonney2k | there will be an official announcement on top I guess | 11:26 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 11:27 |
| @sonney2k | but I have no idea where that goes | 11:27 |
| @sonney2k | simples would be to have the entrance page to be a 'news' style page | 11:27 |
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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: yes, why not like that? | 11:27 |
| n4nd0 | I mean GSoC subpages just with one sub-subpage with ideas | 11:27 |
| @sonney2k | with items such as 'we are planning to participate' 'we are participating' 'aftermath' 'mentor summit' | 11:28 |
| n4nd0 | yes | 11:28 |
| @sonney2k | we might want to expose aftermath a bit more maybe | 11:28 |
| @sonney2k | so this could go in a separate subsub with some mentioning in the news overview | 11:28 |
| @sonney2k | I am happy with that | 11:29 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 11:29 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: haha btw look at the definition of aftermath given by oxford dictionaries: | 11:30 |
| n4nd0 | "the consequences or after-effects of a significant unpleasant event" | 11:30 |
| @sonney2k | haha | 11:30 |
| @sonney2k | I guess we need a positive name then :D | 11:31 |
| n4nd0 | haha yeah! | 11:31 |
| @sonney2k | open for suggestions! | 11:31 |
| n4nd0 | let me think of it with google | 11:31 |
| n4nd0 | repercussion? | 11:32 |
| n4nd0 | no, that one is negative too | 11:32 |
| @sonney2k | what? | 11:32 |
| @sonney2k | my english is worse than I thougth | 11:32 |
| n4nd0 | it is pretty similar to Spanish word, that's why I knew it | 11:33 |
| @sonney2k | follow-up! | 11:33 |
| n4nd0 | I don't think so... I hadn't heard aftermath before | 11:33 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: bingo | 11:33 |
| n4nd0 | I imagine google response: Rejected, you consider your experience in GSoC 2011 and 2012 as significant unpleasant. | 11:34 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, they might forgive us if we have lots of spelling mistakes in the applicaton ;) | 11:37 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: there might a trouble if you just call the sub-subpages ideas | 11:38 |
| n4nd0 | :%s/might/will | 11:39 |
| @sonney2k | yeah seen that | 11:39 |
| n4nd0 | will be* | 11:39 |
| n4nd0 | because sub-subpages are still subpages | 11:39 |
| @sonney2k | the links must include some prefix | 11:39 |
| @sonney2k | but the name can be the same | 11:39 |
| n4nd0 | aham ok | 11:39 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2011 | 11:39 |
| n4nd0 | yeah I am looking | 11:40 |
| @sonney2k | can we somehow show the Follow-Up article in the GSoC 2011 news? | 11:40 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: the whole article? | 11:40 |
| n4nd0 | or just a link to it? | 11:41 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, hmmhh well link to it with some image is also fine | 11:41 |
| @sonney2k | I am just lazy I guess... | 11:41 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, could you do that? | 11:41 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: creating a new article that links to it I guess | 11:41 |
| @sonney2k | I can then continue with 2012 | 11:41 |
| n4nd0 | sure | 11:41 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: above or below mentor summit? | 11:42 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, ? | 11:51 |
| n4nd0 | the link to follow-up | 11:51 |
| @sonney2k | ahh below | 11:51 |
| n4nd0 | ok, give some minutes and I will do it | 11:51 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I've done the same for 2012, could you please also go over this? | 11:51 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 11:52 |
| @sonney2k | thanks | 11:52 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: do you have entries for we are planning to participate, accepted, etc for 2011? | 11:52 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, for 2011 not - I wasn't expecting that we get in and so I we don't | 11:54 |
| n4nd0 | heh ok | 11:54 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, we were rejected in 2010 so :) | 11:55 |
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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: take a look please http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2011, http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2012 | 12:31 |
| n4nd0 | I think the article-link to follow-up 2011 is rather poor | 12:31 |
| n4nd0 | I didn't add one for follow-up 2012, I am not sure if it really helps to have it | 12:31 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, do we want to use the same style for 2013 | 12:32 |
| @sonney2k | ? | 12:32 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, just add some catchy figures (1-2) | 12:32 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: ok | 12:32 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: can we use the same style for 2013 ideas? | 12:33 |
| n4nd0 | what about the frame issue I told you about | 12:33 |
| n4nd0 | in the conclusions 2011 I will add the picture of GSoC 2011 since we don't hvae it anywhere :D | 12:37 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well yeah it is work of course | 13:08 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: I didn't get you, sorry | 13:09 |
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| n4nd0 | I am off for lunch now, see you later | 13:13 |
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| @sonney2k | n4nd0, I meant it is work to put the gsoc'13 ideas in the same form | 14:16 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, btw I am clueless why the table border is not shown on the right... | 14:17 |
| n4nd0 | too bad | 14:18 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: what's the correct way of putting gsoc'13 ideas in the same form? | 14:19 |
| n4nd0 | is it necessary to re-write all the stuff? | 14:19 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well easiest is just to take the 2012 stuff and fill in the content | 14:30 |
| @sonney2k | yeah | 14:30 |
| @sonney2k | quite some work :/ | 14:30 |
| @sonney2k | we should better do this offline | 14:31 |
| @sonney2k | because we have no history in the editor... | 14:31 |
| n4nd0 | I see | 14:33 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: quite some work indeed | 14:34 |
| n4nd0 | but idk to re-write one proposal shouldn't take lot of time | 14:34 |
| n4nd0 | I estimate no more than 15 min per proposal | 14:34 |
| n4nd0 | I think that is a large upper bound | 14:35 |
| n4nd0 | we have barely 8 proposals | 14:35 |
| n4nd0 | if we are 4 people (you, heiko, blackburn and I) writing them it shouldn't take long | 14:36 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well < 1 hour for all IMHO | 14:36 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: I think it can be a bit of a pain to do all of them by only one person | 14:36 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: n4nd0: briefly - what is going on? | 14:39 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: discussing how to put the ideas in GSoC 2013 (http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2013_ideas) with the style of 2011 and 2012 pages | 14:40 |
| n4nd0 | it seems they must be re-written | 14:40 |
| n4nd0 | I mean just moving the content from one place to another | 14:40 |
| n4nd0 | I will work on it this evening, blackburn wanna join? :) | 14:43 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yeah sure | 14:43 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn, sonney2k : are we getting new proposals? | 14:46 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: proposals? like? | 14:46 |
| n4nd0 | I see we are missing ideas from Igor Carron and Cheng Soon Ong | 14:46 |
| n4nd0 | sorry, ideas :) | 14:46 |
| n4nd0 | project ideas | 14:46 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: igor ideas are missed | 14:46 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: cheng sent ideas - they are in gdco | 14:47 |
| blackburn | gdoc | 14:47 |
| n4nd0 | cool | 14:47 |
| n4nd0 | about cheng, not the other one hehe | 14:47 |
| n4nd0 | integration with mldata and mloss can be taken from previous years | 14:47 |
| n4nd0 | but we'd still miss improve static interfaces and interactive demos | 14:48 |
| blackburn | yes mloss is our eternal idea | 14:49 |
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| tom__ | hi all | 14:53 |
| n4nd0 | hey tom__ | 14:53 |
| tom__ | Could someone explain me what is the purpose of CAlphabet::translate_from_single_order methods and "translate" the meaning of the bitwise operations used in it ? | 14:54 |
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| @sonney2k | tom__ sure | 15:05 |
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| @sonney2k | tom__, still interested in the meaning of translate_from_single_order? | 15:30 |
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| @sonney2k | I take that as a no | 15:50 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, is the structured output learnign proposal already in? | 16:10 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: not really | 16:13 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I am not sure what to do about that actually | 16:24 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: there is a small description | 16:24 |
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| blackburn | sonney2k: what is left? proposal? | 17:16 |
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| @sonney2k | blackburn, I didn't even have a look yet | 17:53 |
| blackburn | alright | 17:57 |
| blackburn | oops I am late at job, should go home :D | 17:57 |
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| @sonney2k | blackburn, please have a look at the ideas document | 19:37 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: alrighty | 19:37 |
| @sonney2k | I've filled in most stuff | 19:37 |
| @sonney2k | it might still need some polishing but I think it should be put live as is | 19:37 |
| @sonney2k | I've marked in red ideas that are not detailled yet | 19:38 |
| blackburn | oh that's nice | 19:38 |
| @sonney2k | what? | 19:38 |
| @sonney2k | I think it is 12-13 ideas or even more | 19:38 |
| blackburn | that you filled in the stuff | 19:38 |
| @sonney2k | with 11 mentors | 19:38 |
| @sonney2k | (at least) | 19:38 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I'll put igor's stuff today once I get some eat | 19:39 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, did igor contact you? | 19:39 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: nope | 19:39 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: is that holidays in germany these days? | 19:40 |
| @sonney2k | easter friday & monday | 19:43 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, then maybe it is better to remove igors project from the list? | 19:43 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: makes sense if he won't answer next days | 19:44 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, well a student needs an answer within a day so this now is not a good sign | 19:48 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: agree | 19:48 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: but within a day is pretty strong requirement :) | 19:49 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I received an answer from chris in 3 days | 19:49 |
| blackburn | and an answer from konrad in 6 days | 19:49 |
| @sonney2k | well ok | 19:50 |
| @sonney2k | once gsoc is running that is important though | 19:50 |
| blackburn | oh no | 19:50 |
| blackburn | vice versa | 19:50 |
| blackburn | konrad 2-3 days | 19:50 |
| @sonney2k | konrad? | 19:50 |
| blackburn | and chris in 6 days may be :) | 19:50 |
| blackburn | yes I wrote to konrad and chris in 2011 | 19:50 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I am looking at the proposal now | 19:51 |
| @sonney2k | I am tempted to use a lot more stuff from last years proposals | 19:51 |
| blackburn | feel free to change if you don't like | 19:51 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, if you have time tonight - please use the 2012 html ideas stuff as a draft and squeeze the 2013 ideas into it | 19:52 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: but do not forget to mention that we are all gsocers except one veteran | 19:52 |
| blackburn | yes I have time | 19:52 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, that is really important to do now | 19:53 |
| @sonney2k | to let students see what we are up to | 19:53 |
| @sonney2k | and show google that we have a plan(tm) | 19:53 |
| blackburn | yeah google is more important yet | 19:53 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, put the ideas in the publicity repository | 19:53 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: we lose synchronization this way | 19:54 |
| @sonney2k | no | 19:54 |
| @sonney2k | drop the gdoc document once done | 19:54 |
| blackburn | do heiko and fernando have access to publicity? | 19:55 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, they see the webiste | 19:55 |
| @sonney2k | you can directly put it live from there | 19:55 |
| @sonney2k | you can use shogun-publicity/website/shogun-toolbox.org/gsoc/ideas-2012.html as a start | 19:56 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, can I somehow extract the gdoc document? I need to work offline on this | 19:58 |
| @sonney2k | (will be gone in 2 mins) | 19:58 |
| blackburn | I don't know | 19:58 |
| blackburn | extract like? | 19:58 |
| blackburn | you may export it | 19:58 |
| @sonney2k | yeah found it | 20:00 |
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| n4nd0 | SO learning proposal is in | 20:14 |
| n4nd0 | I see you discussed about it | 20:14 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn, sonney2k : have you guys already starting writing something of gsoc 2013 in html? | 20:17 |
| n4nd0 | otherwise I will start it using gsoc 2012 as template and put it in a repo somewhere | 20:17 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I'll put current ideas to gsoc2012 format tonight | 20:17 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I can help you out with that | 20:18 |
| blackburn | I am not sure how :) | 20:18 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I was thinking that we could put the html in a temp repo | 20:18 |
| n4nd0 | so we can sync easily | 20:18 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: we have a repo for that :) shogun-publicity | 20:18 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: ook let's put it there then :) | 20:18 |
| blackburn | yeah I will start soon, be back in a few minutes | 20:19 |
| n4nd0 | shogun-publicity? | 20:19 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yeah not sure you have access :) | 20:22 |
| n4nd0 | aham it is private one? | 20:24 |
| n4nd0 | I don't see it in github | 20:24 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: that's terribly ugly actually to write such htmls | 20:45 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: why do we have libqp again? | 20:50 |
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| blackburn | half done | 21:33 |
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| blackburn | done | 22:26 |
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| blackburn | sonney2k: no idea how to refer it though | 22:28 |
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| n4nd0 | blackburn: so everything going fine with the doc? | 22:30 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yeah put it to the repo | 22:31 |
| blackburn | but I just don't know how to refer it from the website | 22:31 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I think you can't | 22:31 |
| n4nd0 | you have to paste the html in the editor | 22:31 |
| n4nd0 | I can do that if you think it is ready | 22:31 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: there are CSS which should be put too - don't know about that | 22:32 |
| blackburn | I think soeren knows a way | 22:32 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: mmm I think the CSS was already handled for all of them | 22:32 |
| n4nd0 | maybe you are using a new style or sth | 22:32 |
| blackburn | no there is a custom css | 22:32 |
| n4nd0 | let's see what sonney2k says then | 22:32 |
| blackburn | yeah | 22:32 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, n4nd0 whats the issue? | 22:41 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I put ideas-2013.html | 22:41 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, and? | 22:41 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: any way to refer it? | 22:41 |
| @sonney2k | ??? | 22:42 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: how to introduce the html there in the website | 22:42 |
| n4nd0 | it seems that there is also some css to put in | 22:42 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, ahh well just copy and paste it to the thing we have | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | that's it | 22:43 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: css? | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | none | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, shall I do it? | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, if you want to | 22:43 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: yes I am not sure | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | just go to admin interface | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | and then edit the gsco2013 ideas list | 22:44 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: but is gsoc list css there? | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | press html | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | (that will give a a window for editing html source code) | 22:44 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: you must be kidding :D | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | and paste the table in there | 22:44 |
| blackburn | do you consider me an idiot or what :D | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, ok I am doing it :P | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, yes of course | 22:45 |
| blackburn | the only thing I am worried is *css* | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | you are russian | 22:45 |
| blackburn | and? | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | and vodka did kill your non-ml brain cells! | 22:45 |
| blackburn | oh well | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, DON"T WORRY ABOUT CSS | 22:45 |
| blackburn | well it is relevant, not? | 22:46 |
| blackburn | there is some custom stuff | 22:46 |
| blackburn | whatever | 22:47 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I think the idea was to use the same style of gsoc 2011 and 2012 pages for which there is already a CSS | 22:48 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: but maybe we can add the new custom stuff in that CSS somehow | 22:49 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: there is no new stuff comparing to 2012 | 22:49 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, blackburn http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2013_ideas | 22:49 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, please remove the separate structured output thing | 22:50 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, one question - it looks completely different to the 2012 thingy | 22:50 |
| @sonney2k | Mentor etc are not bold | 22:50 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: sure, that article is going out now | 22:50 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I guess you changed sth? | 22:50 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: no idea may be I mixed that something in the tag forest | 22:51 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: 2012 is not bold too | 22:51 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: it looks completely the same here | 22:52 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, indeed this stuff never has been bold | 22:53 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: what is different? | 22:53 |
| @sonney2k | apologies | 22:53 |
| @sonney2k | nothing | 22:53 |
| @sonney2k | all good | 22:53 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: multple instance learning links to robust classification | 22:53 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, libqp is in there because nothing is done for that yet | 22:53 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: ok fixing | 22:54 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: aah no wait | 22:54 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: link is fine, it is the title of multiple instance :) | 22:54 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, we have no interfaces in modular / no general solver framework in shogun | 22:54 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: heh | 22:54 |
| n4nd0 | I don't fix it just in case you are also editing - don't want to screw things up | 22:54 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I see | 22:54 |
| @sonney2k | which would be rather cool to have | 22:54 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yes I'll fix | 22:54 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, on top it says during summer 2013 ... lala | 22:55 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: fixing it | 22:56 |
| @sonney2k | the 2012 | 22:56 |
| @sonney2k | the text doesn't fit | 22:56 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, and Reading and writing of shogun features / objects in .hdf5 (pytables/matlab 7.0/matlab 7.X/octave 3.x/h5py/arff) format | 22:56 |
| @sonney2k | should go away | 22:57 |
| @sonney2k | we only have that once | 22:57 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: only fast? | 22:57 |
| n4nd0 | :D | 22:58 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, no i is twice in the TOC | 22:58 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I do not understand | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | yes that one thing w/o fast can go | 22:59 |
| blackburn | what is twice there? | 22:59 |
| blackburn | so fast goes away? | 22:59 |
| n4nd0 | the same project I think | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | the matlab 7 / etc | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | no | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | fast stays | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | the other goes | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | gtg | 22:59 |
| @sonney2k | cu | 22:59 |
| blackburn | I am getting instable | 22:59 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: ok let's get this shit done :) | 23:00 |
| blackburn | let me update it in repo first | 23:00 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: ok | 23:01 |
| n4nd0 | I still don't know about this repo | 23:01 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: so look at the second and fourth projects in "improving accessibility" | 23:02 |
| n4nd0 | they look pretty similar | 23:02 |
| blackburn | http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2013_ideas | 23:03 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: done | 23:03 |
| n4nd0 | nice | 23:03 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: is the picture showing ok there? | 23:03 |
| n4nd0 | not here | 23:03 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: no it disappeared | 23:03 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I have no idea how did I get that damaged | 23:08 |
| n4nd0 | let me see the html | 23:08 |
| n4nd0 | mmm I don't see anything weird | 23:09 |
| n4nd0 | got it | 23:11 |
| n4nd0 | try with this path to the image | 23:11 |
| n4nd0 | <td><img src="../../../../static/figures/shogun_logo.png" border="0" alt="SHOGUN Logo" width="50" /></td> | 23:11 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: ^ | 23:11 |
| n4nd0 | I got that from 2011 ideas page | 23:11 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yeah already found that thanks | 23:11 |
| n4nd0 | :) | 23:12 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/gsoc2013_ideas.html okay here the shit comes | 23:13 |
| n4nd0 | cool! | 23:13 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: once you get tired of it let me go through it and check for typos if so | 23:14 |
| blackburn | wheen I edit htmls manually I feel my life slips away | 23:15 |
| n4nd0 | hehe yeah | 23:15 |
| n4nd0 | I was not breathing while doing it this morning | 23:15 |
| blackburn | the touch of death | 23:15 |
| n4nd0 | just in case something could get screwed :D | 23:15 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, that is actually what I just did | 23:17 |
| @sonney2k | hold breath for as long as possible but under water :) | 23:17 |
| blackburn | we are the worst web designers ever | 23:18 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: haha | 23:18 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: why under water? :) | 23:18 |
| blackburn | http://www.miauk.com/ | 23:18 |
| blackburn | however these guys are even worse in web | 23:18 |
| n4nd0 | dafuq | 23:19 |
| blackburn | http://www.lingscars.com/ | 23:19 |
| blackburn | http://www.theworldsworstwebsiteever.com/ we should buy that designer | 23:19 |
| n4nd0 | we should state that for "Implement estimators of large-scale sparse Gaussian densities" we need jeff dean as student | 23:19 |
| blackburn | yeah jeff dean could be A CANDIDATE | 23:22 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: http://supercreativ.narod.ru/ | 23:22 |
| blackburn | design bureau "creator" | 23:22 |
| n4nd0 | wtf | 23:22 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: he wrote - I have a great experience with web - 2 months. | 23:23 |
| blackburn | That's why I created a web design company | 23:23 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:23 |
| n4nd0 | haha | 23:23 |
| blackburn | http://www.rasputin.de/CF/Jugend/ | 23:24 |
| n4nd0 | fuck I have the sound on and woke up my gf | 23:24 |
| blackburn | hah n4nd0 sorry | 23:24 |
| n4nd0 | hehe np | 23:24 |
| blackburn | she must think something bad about you now | 23:24 |
| blackburn | with that website ope | 23:24 |
| blackburn | n | 23:24 |
| n4nd0 | nah sleeping again | 23:24 |
| blackburn | it is better if it was redtube | 23:25 |
| n4nd0 | I closed at the moment I opened it | 23:25 |
| n4nd0 | haha probably | 23:25 |
| blackburn | than that crazyness | 23:25 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: it is definitely better to be catched watching gay porno that these sites | 23:25 |
| blackburn | than* | 23:26 |
| n4nd0 | this is looking weird | 23:26 |
| n4nd0 | Improving accessibility to shogun by developing improving i/o support (more file formats), machine learning demos, and mloss.org/mldata.org integration. | 23:26 |
| n4nd0 | Integration of existing and new machine algorithms. | 23:26 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: what is weird? | 23:27 |
| n4nd0 | it says at the beginning that we want to extend the library in three different ways | 23:27 |
| blackburn | ah | 23:27 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yes that's true as there is summer 2012 :D | 23:28 |
| blackburn | okay fixing | 23:28 |
| n4nd0 | :) | 23:28 |
| blackburn | update | 23:29 |
| blackburn | d | 23:29 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: we have not enough stars and pink color though | 23:29 |
| n4nd0 | hehe | 23:29 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: are you editing right now? | 23:31 |
| blackburn | no | 23:31 |
| n4nd0 | ok I take the relay now | 23:31 |
| blackburn | I am thinking of clicking my power button in next few minutes | 23:32 |
| n4nd0 | that's probably a good idea | 23:32 |
| n4nd0 | you wrote all this article - must be tiring | 23:32 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: that's ok when one is on drugs | 23:34 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:34 |
| blackburn | jk | 23:34 |
| n4nd0 | haha | 23:34 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, some swimming exercise with some trainer pushing us ... | 23:34 |
| @sonney2k | I was barely above water the last 1.5 hrs | 23:35 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: that's cool | 23:35 |
| n4nd0 | swimming is nice | 23:35 |
| @sonney2k | no | 23:35 |
| n4nd0 | haha why not? | 23:35 |
| @sonney2k | that was tough | 23:35 |
| n4nd0 | if it is not tough then it is not training :) | 23:35 |
| @sonney2k | I prefer swimming on the surface :) | 23:36 |
| @sonney2k | there is this big advantage | 23:36 |
| @sonney2k | there is AIR | 23:36 |
| n4nd0 | hehe | 23:36 |
| @sonney2k | just open your mouth :) | 23:36 |
| blackburn | I am curious if I can swim still | 23:37 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: so do you train any water sport? | 23:37 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yes he is dreaming of becoming a whale | 23:37 |
| n4nd0 | have you guys seen this btw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A25VgNZDQ08 | 23:38 |
| blackburn | oh hitler is mad on *everything* :D | 23:38 |
| n4nd0 | indeed hehe | 23:38 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, yeah to both | 23:39 |
| @sonney2k | swimming | 23:39 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: why so much time under water then?? | 23:39 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I thought you are the whale so there should be no problem for you to float :D | 23:39 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, well todays training... | 23:39 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: why am I? | 23:39 |
| @sonney2k | dive as far as you can then swim the crawl | 23:40 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: what's your favourite style? | 23:40 |
| n4nd0 | I used to enjoy butterfly and breaststroke the most | 23:40 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, butterfly is tough | 23:41 |
| n4nd0 | yeah | 23:41 |
| @sonney2k | swimming is all about the technique so certainly mine is not optimal for butterfly | 23:41 |
| @sonney2k | I think I would last barely 100m's | 23:41 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, about the proposal | 23:42 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: what about the proposal? | 23:42 |
| @sonney2k | we have only 18 hours left right? | 23:42 |
| @sonney2k | I won't have *any* time tomorrow it seems | 23:42 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: yeah I think so | 23:42 |
| blackburn | yes, would you like to keep asking me each hour? | 23:42 |
| n4nd0 | 19h UTC so that is 18h in Germany/Sweden | 23:43 |
| blackburn | I don't mind putting there some shit tomorrow if you are so busy | 23:43 |
| n4nd0 | but are the more things to change?? | 23:43 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, that was only the ideas list | 23:43 |
| @sonney2k | there is the proposal too | 23:43 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: well sonney2k wants to rewrite all the proposal as he thinks my writing is soo bad probably | 23:43 |
| n4nd0 | I think it was more or less ready (more more than less) | 23:43 |
| n4nd0 | aham I see | 23:44 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: then mine is too since I went through it as well :D | 23:44 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: alright you are bad too | 23:44 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: so if there is no chance to fix it by you we'd have to live with current impossibly bad stuff | 23:45 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: one thing, I am editing some minor things using django admin interface in the ideas list so we shouldn't probably edit in that repo you mentioned and copy again | 23:47 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: well may be I'll copy that back | 23:47 |
| blackburn | if format is not ruined | 23:47 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 23:47 |
| n4nd0 | nah, I don't think so. Just adding some carriage return here and there for the moment | 23:47 |
| n4nd0 | I get a little it picky :D | 23:48 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I mean is not ruined by these copy-paste perturbations and django | 23:48 |
| n4nd0 | oh all right | 23:48 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, could you please send around an email to all mentors with the current ideas list? | 23:48 |
| @sonney2k | it is mostly ready I guess | 23:49 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: yes | 23:49 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: is vojtech in still? | 23:50 |
| @sonney2k | they should get a chance to have a final look and potentially suggest changes | 23:50 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, yes | 23:50 |
| @sonney2k | libqp | 23:50 |
| n4nd0 | we have 14 ideas in there! that's nice | 23:52 |
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