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| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, no there is one but you can submit as often as you want. the most recent one is the one that counts | 12:50 |
| @iglesiasg | sonney2k: ah ok, I understand | 12:51 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: btw I checked out dates of my first submission of edrt (now tapkee) | 12:54 |
| lisitsyn | I sent it on 31 Jan | 12:55 |
| lisitsyn | and got answer on 21 Mar | 12:55 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 12:55 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: so we will waiiit a loot | 12:55 |
| @iglesiasg | yeah... I expected about two months too | 12:55 |
| lisitsyn | it was a bit less actually | 12:56 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: hey there | 13:04 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: hello | 13:05 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: what's up with your writing stuff? ready? ;) | 13:05 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: from my part very little left, I will be done by the end of today! | 13:05 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: that's cool | 13:06 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: what's next? | 13:06 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: get my PR merged first :D | 13:06 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: how is it going? | 13:06 |
| @iglesiasg | then I am going to have a closer look to the metric learning implementation and I will probably try to talk to you about it | 13:06 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: I have seen that the matlab dimensionality reduction includes LMNN | 13:07 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: yes | 13:07 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: and Georg wondered if it actually could make sense that the LMNN was included in shogun as part of tapkee | 13:07 |
| @iglesiasg | he is actually keen on that idea so that it is easier to use LMNN (fewer dependencies, etc) | 13:08 |
| lisitsyn | hah | 13:08 |
| lisitsyn | I see | 13:08 |
| @iglesiasg | but it was a very preliminary discussion, we have to think of it more carefully | 13:08 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: I am still playing with proposed algorithm (I am just curious whether it will produce at least something sensible). If it won't - I am interested in trying to implement NN's for shogun (if main contributors won't mind) | 13:08 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: no nobody minds NNs - we are just too stupid | 13:09 |
| lisitsyn | err I mean we don't know NNs very well ;) | 13:09 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: :D | 13:09 |
| @iglesiasg | nobody knows NNs very well, they just work but we don't understand why :P | 13:09 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: no, that's not true | 13:09 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: a few guys know them | 13:10 |
| lisitsyn | like le cun, hinton and ng | 13:10 |
| lisitsyn | hah | 13:10 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: well, but at least people don't understand them as linear models can be understood | 13:10 |
| @iglesiasg | I got that feeling at least | 13:10 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: yes sure | 13:11 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: I guess, Rosenblatt did also knew something about NN's) | 13:11 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: well that was all pretty simple | 13:11 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: you mean linear perceptron? | 13:12 |
| lisitsyn | they did some steps for better understanding what happens here | 13:12 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: yeah linear perceptron is just a linear classifier | 13:12 |
| lisitsyn | IIRC he proposed something with more layers but he didn't know how to train them | 13:12 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: actually, I've read that people just did not understood what he did proposed | 13:12 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: if you are talking about some posts on habrahabr | 13:13 |
| lisitsyn | by some guy with nickname 'tac' | 13:13 |
| lisitsyn | I believe he is totally mad and in medical sense | 13:14 |
| @iglesiasg | hahaha | 13:14 |
| @iglesiasg | no offense though | 13:14 |
| lisitsyn | no he is totally totally mad | 13:14 |
| vgorbati | lisitsyn: maybe:) | 13:14 |
| lisitsyn | he doesn't get a thing but keep writing some shit he has no idea about | 13:15 |
| lisitsyn | too many times he was into shameful (for him) discussions | 13:15 |
| @iglesiasg | is habrahabr a Rusian blog about sth? | 13:16 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: yes like reddit | 13:16 |
| lisitsyn | vgorbati: I'd recommend you to read that http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%81_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC | 13:17 |
| lisitsyn | here this ill guy argues with one of the top russian machine learners about machine learning | 13:18 |
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| @iglesiasg | wiking: I heard you liked windows http://25.media.tumblr.com/88c6e1d4fa810f6981329a6f0c890cd1/tumblr_mnl7x0cKqn1qdlh1io1_250.gif :D | 14:46 |
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| @wiking | sonney2k: ping | 19:00 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Patrick Pletscher :develop * f4e479b / src/shogun/kernel/string/WeightedDegreePositionStringKernel.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/f4e479b1a1d9a6190f9f1d8afbf62064751548a6 | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: fix WeightedDegreePositionStringKernel doxygen entry | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Patrick Pletscher :develop * 14307ec / doc/Doxyfile_cn: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/14307ec2db18be9672f4b547454a1e8b3dc7e4a4 | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Doxyfile_cn should not be in repository | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Patrick Pletscher :develop * 0e440ca / doc/pages/ (22 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/0e440ca936a517acf62ce8d333bdbfaf76a66bc2 | 19:11 |
| @sonney2k | wiking, pong! | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: remove doc/pages*/Examples*.mainpage from repository, they dynamically created by make | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * 05cbbc7 / / (24 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/05cbbc7111f6c6c776d0323d4e5cf9585e955dd6 | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Merge pull request #1135 from ppletscher/feature/fix-doxygen-warning | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: | 19:11 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: remove autogenerated doxygen files | 19:11 |
| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, 2 months would be very quick | 19:12 |
| @iglesiasg | we shall see | 19:15 |
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| travis-ci | [travis-ci] it's Soeren Sonnenburg's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/7693372 | 19:30 |
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| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, btw if you want to do something tapkee like I don't mind but inside tapkee does IMHO not make sense | 19:33 |
| @iglesiasg | sonney2k: do you think it does not make sense because metric learning is not dim reduction or another reason? | 19:34 |
| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, yes. | 19:35 |
| @sonney2k | I mean tapkee == dim red | 19:36 |
| @sonney2k | if you make it bigger than that you at some point arrive at shogun | 19:36 |
| @iglesiasg | yes, I agree with you | 19:37 |
| @iglesiasg | the idea arose because it seems that Georg likes the idea of having something standalone and then I found out that LMNN is included in the matlab toolbox for dim red | 19:38 |
| @iglesiasg | sonney2k: but something tapkee like sounds like a good idea as well | 19:39 |
| @iglesiasg | in any case I will think first how it should fit into shogun | 19:39 |
| @iglesiasg | if we would need something new, say a metric directory, or it would make sense as part of distance | 19:40 |
| @iglesiasg | sonney2k: I plan to consult once I have thought of it more | 19:40 |
| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, yeah georg never used shogun nor particularly liked it | 19:42 |
| @sonney2k | well he used it but when he found it useful | 19:42 |
| @sonney2k | but when there was an issue he always did his own.. | 19:42 |
| @sonney2k | and never reported bugs or so | 19:43 |
| @sonney2k | that is why the matlab structured output code exists | 19:43 |
| @iglesiasg | sonney2k: maybe he has changed his mind a bit then since he is mentor now | 19:46 |
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| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, IDK I guess he wants to do research in a particular direction | 20:23 |
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| @sonney2k | iglesiasg, btw you can easily develop with libshogun - so you just write your own C++ classes outside shogun but link against libshogun and can use all of shogun's features | 20:28 |
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| @sonney2k | that is *very* efficient and close to 0 compile time | 20:29 |
| @iglesiasg | ok, I will keep that in mind | 20:30 |
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| @lisitsyn | sonney2k: yes LMNN is hardly dim reduction | 21:19 |
| @lisitsyn | the same holds for BSS things actually | 21:19 |
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