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| pickle27 | hey guys | 00:10 |
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| pickle27 | sorry I've been so mia California turned out busier than expected | 00:10 |
| pickle27 | I'll be around more for the next few days before I am back for good on the 18th | 00:11 |
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| @HeikoS | sonney2k: around? | 12:00 |
| @HeikoS | sonne|work: | 12:00 |
| sonne|work | ? | 12:01 |
| lisitsyn | sonne|work: I stumbled upon a service that provides 8*2Ghz + 16 gb for 53$/month | 12:02 |
| sonne|work | HeikoS: yes? | 12:03 |
| sonne|work | lisitsyn: link? | 12:03 |
| @HeikoS | sonne|work: just wondering when the next gsoc irc meeting is | 12:03 |
| @HeikoS | couldnt find the mail/log | 12:03 |
| lisitsyn | sonne|work: http://le.lc/ | 12:03 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 12:03 |
| lisitsyn | sonne|work: 30 rub = 1 $ | 12:05 |
| sonne|work | virtual server | 12:05 |
| lisitsyn | sonne|work: is that bad? | 12:06 |
| lisitsyn | dedicated are available too but cost a bit more | 12:06 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: do you know the meeting date we agreed upon last time? DId we set one? | 12:10 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS: uh | 12:10 |
| @HeikoS | just asking since gsoc starts next monday | 12:10 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS: yes I can't remember | 12:11 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS: we had meeting 31 may | 12:12 |
| lisitsyn | or? | 12:13 |
| @HeikoS | dont know | 12:13 |
| lisitsyn | 30 | 12:13 |
| lisitsyn | yes 30 | 12:14 |
| @HeikoS | 30 may | 12:14 |
| sonne|work | well check the doodle! | 12:14 |
| sonne|work | iglesiasg send this around | 12:14 |
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| @HeikoS | sonne|work: thanks that was what I was looking for | 12:16 |
| @wiking | mmm lot of comments :) | 12:17 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: have u had time to fidle with the static inferfaces with cmake? | 12:18 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: will fiddle with it tonight | 12:18 |
| @wiking | kk | 12:19 |
| @wiking | thnx! | 12:19 |
| lisitsyn | pretending I am working now :D | 12:19 |
| @wiking | good good | 12:19 |
| @wiking | somebody has to do that :P | 12:19 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: uh I should get some matlab I guess | 12:19 |
| lisitsyn | to test it properly | 12:19 |
| @wiking | yes :( | 12:19 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I have some cracked^W matlab around | 12:19 |
| lisitsyn | lol | 12:19 |
| @wiking | heheh watch out | 12:20 |
| @wiking | this is a logged irc channel :P | 12:20 |
| @wiking | bsa might come for u | 12:20 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: commies will defend me ;) | 12:20 |
| @wiking | hehehe comrad putyin is now more busy with a girl i guess ;P | 12:21 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: no why | 12:21 |
| lisitsyn | he don't have to find a girl | 12:21 |
| lisitsyn | that's time consuming so he has one already | 12:21 |
| @wiking | :D | 12:21 |
| lisitsyn | I mean we all knew he is having fun with kabayeva instead of wife wiking | 12:22 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 12:22 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I am just curious will it compile on windows afterwards | 12:24 |
| @wiking | you need python and shit | 12:25 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: it'd definitely nice to get it to work with matlab under windows | 12:26 |
| lisitsyn | I guess it is an often configuration | 12:26 |
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| @HeikoS | wiking: how is the unit-test stuff going? | 12:43 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: hi! | 12:43 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: hi, i'm finally back | 12:43 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: good to see you! | 12:44 |
| @HeikoS | how is it going? | 12:44 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: good to see you too :) | 12:45 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: I'm refactoring GPs | 12:46 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: what exactly? | 12:46 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: inference methods, i'm thinking about good alternative for check_members() method | 12:49 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: you wanted to do that in the constructors/setters right? | 12:49 |
| @HeikoS | setters can be used from constructors to have the checks only once | 12:50 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: yep, but we need to check all members in all setters, otherwise we can't call update methods there | 12:53 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: I see, well why is the check_members then a bad thing to have? | 12:53 |
| @HeikoS | it does exactly this | 12:53 |
| @wiking | HeikoS: yeah i had it almost yesterday | 12:57 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: yep, it's doing that, but user doesn't know in which method generates an exception. Maybe replace check_members() with check_members(char* location) ? | 12:57 |
| @wiking | i'm just a bit comatised... slept about 4 hours | 12:57 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: haha, man dont do this | 12:58 |
| @wiking | HeikoS: wasn't my option :) | 12:58 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: from which methods can check_members fail? | 12:58 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: yep | 12:59 |
| @wiking | HeikoS: the landlord though that it's a good idea to have a quick chat at 7am :P | 12:59 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: I see ;) | 12:59 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: are there many user-generated problems that can appear | 12:59 |
| @HeikoS | let me check the method ... | 12:59 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: all these errors are inference method related | 13:00 |
| @HeikoS | so its fine if one doesnt know where they are coming from | 13:00 |
| @HeikoS | mostly NULL checks | 13:00 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: So I dont really see why this should be changed? | 13:04 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: Ok | 13:04 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: but i think it's better to replace some SG_ERROR with REQIURE | 13:05 |
| @HeikoS | yep totally, but note that this results in the same code for the c++ compiler | 13:05 |
| @HeikoS | its just a macro that makes code easier to read | 13:05 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Viktor Gal :feature/RandomForest * e4f8384 / src/shogun/machine/BaggingMachine.cpp,src/shogun/machine/BaggingMachine.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e4f8384e1cf60871b368229a2bc7b53fb4b68e10 | 13:07 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Fix BaggingMachine based on @karlnapf feedback | 13:07 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: i know. I'll do that quickly | 13:09 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: cool | 13:10 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: whats next? | 13:10 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: and solve problem with cholesky in parallel | 13:11 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: remind me what that was? | 13:11 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: it's comuted twice: when one called constructor and get_cholesky() method | 13:13 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: I see, well that should be a quick one right? | 13:13 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: yep, just add update_parameter_hash() call | 13:14 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: Also i'd like to move all parameters from log-space | 13:14 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: I thought about this, I think we should do it in the same way as the GPML toolbox dont you think? | 13:15 |
| @HeikoS | to avoid that people are confused when using both of them | 13:15 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: yep, it's good, but then we need to move parameters to all parameters to log-space, for example width of gaussian kernel, is it good for other part of shogun? Or is it better to leave things as they are? | 13:22 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: good question | 13:24 |
| @HeikoS | I think its unfeasible to change this | 13:24 |
| @HeikoS | too much development work, and too many users not used to this | 13:24 |
| @HeikoS | but in fact, you are right, log space is better (for positive parameters) | 13:25 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: no thats impossible to do now | 13:25 |
| @HeikoS | lets keep them in std space | 13:25 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: comments? | 13:26 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: all of them? | 13:26 |
| lisitsyn | oop | 13:26 |
| lisitsyn | I wasn't following | 13:26 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: what is the current state on this again? | 13:26 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: positive parameters are better stored in log-space | 13:27 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS: always? | 13:27 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: positive ones, yes thats good in general | 13:27 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: maybe leave them as they are for now | 13:27 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS: sounds like a big piece of work | 13:29 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: yeah not really possible | 13:29 |
| @HeikoS | also shogun users might revolt ;) | 13:29 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS: where are these guys | 13:30 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 13:30 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: users? :D | 13:30 |
| @HeikoS | haha | 13:30 |
| @HeikoS | using scipy | 13:30 |
| lisitsyn | ahh | 13:30 |
| lisitsyn | they don't yet know | 13:30 |
| lisitsyn | that they are shogun users | 13:30 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 13:30 |
| @HeikoS | votjakovr: rather lets focus on other things for now: for example pulling the GP class out of regression and draw class diagrams for classification | 13:34 |
| votjakovr | HeikoS: Ok | 13:38 |
| thoralf | Did anyone use shogun for multilabel classification? | 15:53 |
| thoralf | i.e. examples, that belong to a subset of classes {1..n} instead of exactly one class | 15:54 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: I added a class for that iirc | 15:58 |
| thoralf | lisitsyn: Didn't see it. How is it called? | 15:58 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: MulticlassMultipleOutputLabels | 15:59 |
| thoralf | Oh, thanks. | 15:59 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: I am not sure it works :D | 15:59 |
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| thoralf | lisitsyn: I'll tell you ;) | 15:59 |
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| lisitsyn | thoralf: oh yes it works | 16:00 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: outputs top of K | 16:00 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: examples/undocumented/python_modular/classifier_multiclassmultipleoutputliblinear_modular.py | 16:01 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: here we predict top 2 classes | 16:01 |
| thoralf | lisitsyn: Having n classes, I have to fix how many (k) classes I want? | 16:02 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: yes | 16:02 |
| lisitsyn | in this example | 16:02 |
| lisitsyn | n = 3 | 16:02 |
| lisitsyn | k = 2 | 16:02 |
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| lambday | HeikoS: there?? | 17:36 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: just a sec, tel | 17:37 |
| lambday | HeikoS: okie | 17:37 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: ok, done, how is it going? | 17:43 |
| lambday | HeikoS: hi.. coding.. fixing bugs... leaks... please have a look https://github.com/lambday/shogun/commit/7c6c9ba934d5a77b95c54d8b505a6a7f5bc1536e | 17:44 |
| lambday | HeikoS: tonight I'll write the normal sampler | 17:44 |
| lambday | HeikoS: and finish up the CLogDetEstimator by tomorrow probably.. | 17:45 |
| @HeikoS | checking ... | 17:45 |
| lambday | HeikoS: this code currently doesn't leak/give any invalid read/write errors | 17:46 |
| lambday | 3 unit-tests added | 17:46 |
| lambday | lots of debug msgs :( will remove once the whole is tested | 17:47 |
| @sonney2k | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12515866/atomic-compare-exchange-vs-mutex | 17:48 |
| @sonney2k | haha | 17:48 |
| @sonney2k | answer 2, point 3. | 17:49 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: I will get back to you in a minute ... | 17:55 |
| lambday | HeikoS: okay | 17:55 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: Haha. | 17:57 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: That's why we're coding. :) | 17:57 |
| lambday | argh.. more bugs! | 18:15 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: haha, thats the way to go :D | 18:19 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: will start commenting soon, currently a bit busy | 18:19 |
| lambday | HeikoS: alright.. | 18:20 |
| lambday | HeikoS: you're the man! for suggesting me to start with exact log by the way... | 18:20 |
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| lambday | HeikoS: there? | 19:12 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: yep | 19:12 |
| lambday | just saw your comments | 19:12 |
| lambday | I'll try to fix those first, before going into the rest of the things | 19:13 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: its a lot of stuff | 19:13 |
| lambday | HeikoS: yeah :( | 19:13 |
| lambday | my head is spinning :( | 19:13 |
| lambday | specially when I check the debug msgs | 19:13 |
| @HeikoS | once its working locally for you, please send PRs of classes one by one (in such way that things dont break) | 19:13 |
| @HeikoS | then we can go through them seperately | 19:13 |
| @HeikoS | otherwise its more likely to not properly read everything | 19:13 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: you are doing a great job dont worry | 19:14 |
| lambday | HeikoS: thanks.. one commit per class you mean | 19:14 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: no one class per PR | 19:14 |
| lambday | okay | 19:14 |
| @HeikoS | starting with the very basic ones | 19:14 |
| @HeikoS | then the ones that depend on the first ones | 19:14 |
| lambday | yeah | 19:15 |
| lambday | when I do, please suggest more and more unit-tests | 19:15 |
| @HeikoS | thats mainly what I had in mind | 19:15 |
| @HeikoS | its way easier to see what to test when there is only one class | 19:16 |
| lambday | yes | 19:16 |
| lambday | now I am getting what you were saying about going for the full thing at once | 19:16 |
| * lambday bows | 19:16 | |
| @HeikoS | lambday: haha imagine ;) | 19:16 |
| lambday | can't even if I try to :D | 19:16 |
| @HeikoS | its already a lot | 19:17 |
| @HeikoS | consider sending a few things as PR (the abstract base classes for example) | 19:17 |
| @HeikoS | then things will get a little smaller | 19:17 |
| lambday | HeikoS: alright.. I'll make the changes and send those first | 19:18 |
| lambday | HeikoS: I'll be back after dinner | 19:19 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: alright! | 19:19 |
| @HeikoS | I might be gone then, but I will check things tomorrow | 19:19 |
| lambday | HeikoS: alright.. :) | 19:20 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: btw I will be away for a few days end of next week | 19:20 |
| @HeikoS | cycling trip, I will take my tablet with me so can answer some emails and maybe chat | 19:20 |
| @HeikoS | but might not be around all the time, rather checking things in the evening (probably this current time every day or so) | 19:20 |
| lambday | wow man!! :-o I've been thinking of doing that since ages! | 19:20 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: you should! :) | 19:21 |
| lambday | HeikoS: its alright :) you have a great time :) | 19:21 |
| @HeikoS | still here until next wednesday, but thanks | 19:21 |
| lambday | I'll keep doing things as planned :) | 19:21 |
| lambday | :) | 19:21 |
| @HeikoS | enjoy your dinner, see you later | 19:21 |
| lambday | HeikoS: ciao :) | 19:21 |
| @sonney2k | Re | 19:44 |
| lisitsyn | Re | 19:45 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 19:45 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: we are back at the same time | 19:45 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: do you know any details on the mentors waiting list? | 19:48 |
| lisitsyn | I mean carol said it will be announced closer to the event but may be you have seen some date | 19:49 |
| lisitsyn | (for the summit) | 19:49 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, no idea | 19:50 |
| lisitsyn | righto | 19:51 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: what's with sgstring -> sgvector? | 19:51 |
| lisitsyn | I don't know what is the status | 19:56 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, it is in everything is b0rken status | 20:00 |
| lisitsyn | nice | 20:00 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, all the streaming features are totally broken now | 20:00 |
| lisitsyn | were they working before? | 20:00 |
| @sonney2k | and I am at a point where I don't know how to fix it currently | 20:01 |
| lisitsyn | they have been unhealthy since the first gsoc | 20:01 |
| @sonney2k | no | 20:01 |
| @sonney2k | they were working just fine | 20:01 |
| lisitsyn | not broken but not really in healthy status | 20:01 |
| @sonney2k | until we introduced SGVector | 20:01 |
| @sonney2k | problem is that using just pointers has a benefit when you work with external libraries | 20:01 |
| @sonney2k | so we have a problem with getting this to work with VW now | 20:02 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: our vw is also a bit outdated | 20:02 |
| lisitsyn | I want to cry when I see JL's code | 20:03 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, but that doesn't count. You always cry :P | 20:04 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: no that's not how should code look like | 20:05 |
| lisitsyn | no no no | 20:05 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: come on it's cool he uses v_array instead of std::vector | 20:09 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I can live with that.. | 20:09 |
| lisitsyn | but there are a lot of other things | 20:10 |
| @wiking | like | 20:10 |
| @wiking | ? | 20:10 |
| lisitsyn | a spaghetti of pointers | 20:10 |
| lisitsyn | some magic numbers | 20:10 |
| @wiking | sum_abs_x += fabsf(elem->x); | 20:10 |
| @wiking | :) | 20:10 |
| lisitsyn | re-implemented MAX | 20:10 |
| @wiking | i guess CMath did not exist that time :P | 20:10 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: what cmath it is in std.. | 20:11 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: no that's pure horror - I tried to patch covertree three times | 20:11 |
| lisitsyn | I always end up with segfaults I can't debug | 20:11 |
| lisitsyn | so even though his code works in his hands it is totally impossible to re-use it | 20:12 |
| @sonney2k | code is not only about beauty. | 20:14 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: it is not about beauty it is about reusability | 20:15 |
| lisitsyn | if I can't debug it to run under windows it is a very unhealthy sign | 20:16 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: you know that some researchers avoid using functions because 'they are slow' | 20:18 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, real researchers would not even be able to compile shogun nor use C++ code | 20:19 |
| @sonney2k | or write it | 20:19 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: I don't know what they are doing then | 20:20 |
| lisitsyn | what can you do without experiments | 20:20 |
| lisitsyn | writing equations is ok but you still have to test it somehow | 20:20 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, they write matlab code | 20:21 |
| @sonney2k | spaghetty throw away code | 20:21 |
| lisitsyn | a lot of people are using C++ and I have seen pure horror | 20:21 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: no it is better than when they write C++ | 20:21 |
| lisitsyn | for (int kkk=0;kkk<M;kkk++) | 20:22 |
| lisitsyn | input[n][kkk]=(complex<double>)line[kkk]; | 20:22 |
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| lisitsyn | that's two lines from code of one teaching assistant in my university | 20:23 |
| lisitsyn | he probably knows a way in his freaking optics :D | 20:23 |
| lisitsyn | but this "loadsave.cpp" is crazy | 20:24 |
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| @iglesiasg | I finally graduated in Spain people!! | 20:36 |
| @iglesiasg | BTW they asked for shogun during the presentation and I made advertisement :) | 20:36 |
| @iglesiasg | now it is time for LMNN-ing | 20:37 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: ohh congrats! | 20:38 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: so how to call you now? | 20:39 |
| lisitsyn | engineer iglesias? ;) | 20:39 |
| @iglesiasg | fernando please :) | 20:39 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: like in cz they are Ing. | 20:39 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: aham! I've never seen that | 20:39 |
| @iglesiasg | just for Prof. and Dr. | 20:39 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: here in russia we have both engineers and two stage thing like in the other world | 20:40 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: two state thing? | 20:40 |
| @iglesiasg | what is it? | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | I chose to be a bachelor then masters | 20:40 |
| @iglesiasg | aham got it | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | I mean bachelor and masters | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | so I am kinda bachelor already | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: when is sweden thing then? | 20:41 |
| @iglesiasg | lisitsyn: not sure yet | 20:42 |
| @iglesiasg | but not within the next few months | 20:42 |
| lisitsyn | oh! I see | 20:42 |
| @iglesiasg | I would like to start my phd by october-november | 20:42 |
| @iglesiasg | so just earlier than that | 20:42 |
| @iglesiasg | but in Sweden I finish it and present at any moment of the year | 20:42 |
| @iglesiasg | it is not like Spain, so that gives more freedom | 20:43 |
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| lisitsyn | pickle27: hey there | 21:04 |
| pickle27 | hey! | 21:08 |
| @iglesiasg | gtg now, see you later people | 21:10 |
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| pickle27 | lisitsyn: how are things? | 21:14 |
| lisitsyn | pickle27: missing you ;) | 21:26 |
| lisitsyn | how is your conference trip? | 21:26 |
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| pickle27 | lisitsyn, good, I'm glad to be done with presentations for now though! | 21:28 |
| pickle27 | still not back in my timezone yet. Im visiting family for a bit but spending more time by the computer again so I'll be around | 21:29 |
| lisitsyn | I see, nice | 21:30 |
| lisitsyn | pickle27: so when you are finally back? | 21:30 |
| pickle27 | Im actually back a day later now because I am flying to Montreal for a site interview with Google for next year | 21:32 |
| pickle27 | so I am flying back the 18th but I am interviewing all day on the 19th | 21:32 |
| pickle27 | then the 20th I'll finally resume my regular life finally | 21:32 |
| lisitsyn | pickle27: going to be a googler? | 21:37 |
| pickle27 | lisitsyn, perhaps! | 21:37 |
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| lisitsyn | pickle27: but that's a second interview right? | 21:42 |
| pickle27 | yeah this is my site interview so I'll know whether or not they are making an offer after this one | 21:43 |
| lisitsyn | pickle27: I see - good luck on that then! | 21:45 |
| pickle27 | thanks! | 21:46 |
| pickle27 | I'm spending this morning on my thesis but I'll probably starting working out those first test cases soon | 21:46 |
| lisitsyn | pickle27: just take your time for now, interview is quite important :) | 21:47 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: I am quite satisfied with cmaking wiking does | 21:54 |
| lisitsyn | everything is much cleaner now | 21:55 |
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| lisitsyn | wiking: tough shit! | 22:29 |
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