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| shogun-buildbot | build #586 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/586 | 03:41 |
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| @HeikoS | Ping | 05:32 |
| @HeikoS | Pong | 05:32 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS, night shift! | 05:47 |
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| HeikoS1 | okipou | 06:14 |
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| @wiking | besser82: yo | 09:17 |
| besser82 | wiking: ya! | 09:17 |
| @wiking | besser82: so i'm just preparing a docker file for shogun | 09:18 |
| @wiking | besser82: do u know how to setup docker for fedora? | 09:18 |
| besser82 | wiking: not yet, but I can someone who is more affine with infra.... | 09:18 |
| @wiking | besser82: these are the requirements: http://docs.docker.io/en/latest/installation/kernel/#kernel | 09:19 |
| @wiking | for kernel | 09:19 |
| @wiking | besser82: fedora infra uses openstack? | 09:21 |
| @wiking | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2013-October/000151.html | 09:21 |
| @wiking | has native docker support | 09:21 |
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| @wiking | lisitsyn: yo | 09:30 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: hey | 09:30 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: do u have repo creation permissions for shogun-toolbox user on github? | 09:30 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: lemme check | 09:30 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: btw: do u know this: http://docker.io/ | 09:30 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: i'm just trying to put together a Dockerfile for this in order to have shogun+notebooks | 09:31 |
| @wiking | it's pretty great stuff | 09:31 |
| @wiking | unfortunately it's not tooo much native support | 09:31 |
| @wiking | i.e. only linux | 09:31 |
| @wiking | but others can use vagrant | 09:31 |
| @wiking | like i'm doing now | 09:31 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: it doesn't look I have such permissions | 09:31 |
| @wiking | :( | 09:31 |
| lisitsyn | about docker - no idea actually | 09:32 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: check this out: https://github.com/dotcloud/docker/blob/master/README.md | 09:32 |
| @wiking | this is the most interesting of the whole stuff: https://github.com/dotcloud/docker/blob/master/README.md#better-than-vms | 09:34 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: ha, another thing written in go | 09:35 |
| @wiking | indeed :) | 09:35 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: sometimes I think we should use go too | 09:36 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 09:36 |
| @wiking | :D | 09:36 |
| @wiking | of course :P | 09:36 |
| @wiking | ok now the question where should we store nightly packages on the website? | 09:37 |
| @wiking | we shoudl totally have like | 09:38 |
| @wiking | http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/download | 09:38 |
| @wiking | or http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/downloads | 09:38 |
| @wiking | and http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/download/nightly | 09:38 |
| @wiking | any insights? | 09:39 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I am ok with any | 09:39 |
| @wiking | ok i'll check how this can be done | 09:43 |
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| @wiking | ok | 10:37 |
| @wiking | where should we store the dockerfile | 10:38 |
| @wiking | should we just include it in the source repo? | 10:38 |
| @wiking | although anyway this image is going to be here: https://index.docker.io/ | 10:38 |
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| thoralf | Hey all. | 14:47 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: hey | 14:49 |
| thoralf | Quite empty in here. | 14:52 |
| thoralf | I expected a crowded channel and everyone looking forward to work on the release. ;) | 14:53 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, sure thing | 15:45 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: ha | 15:46 |
| lisitsyn | no money no honey | 15:46 |
| @sonney2k | wiking, shouldn't we put nightly releases just under ftp://shogun-toolbox.org/shogun/nightly/ ? | 15:48 |
| @sonney2k | wiking, or snapshots/ | 15:49 |
| @sonney2k | with this scheme | 15:49 |
| @sonney2k | shogun-3.0.0~git20131021.8dfde37 | 15:50 |
| @sonney2k | which is from this logic: VER=3.0.0 | 15:50 |
| @sonney2k | GITVER=`date +%Y%m%d`.`cd shogun ; git log -1 --pretty=%h` | 15:50 |
| @sonney2k | DESTDIR=shogun_${VER}~git$GITVER | 15:50 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, thoralf, wiking, besser82 btw what would you want to mentor for next years gsoc? | 15:58 |
| lisitsyn | sure why not sonney2k | 15:58 |
| besser82 | sonney2k: Sure! I can do it :) | 15:58 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, and an idea what? | 15:59 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: sorry :D | 15:59 |
| lisitsyn | skipped 'what' part | 15:59 |
| lisitsyn | I'd go for internals! | 15:59 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, with heiko we thought you might be interested in some shogun & cloud part :) | 15:59 |
| lisitsyn | change guts of shogun | 15:59 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, like what? | 15:59 |
| besser82 | sonney2k: That would be great! | 15:59 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: parameters, serialization, parallel/distributed stuff | 16:00 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: How about getting rid of SVMlight sh*t? | 16:00 |
| lisitsyn | oh well I have no expertise in svms to be honest | 16:00 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, we thought about that too - possible but tough | 16:00 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, one would have to pimp gpdt svm | 16:00 |
| @sonney2k | and honestly I am not sure if it is worth it | 16:01 |
| besser82 | sonney2k: and we can fine someone with expertise in this... | 16:01 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: ah yes and I still think shogun should become client/server app :D | 16:01 |
| besser82 | sonney2k: So cloud / distributed / OpenCL computation is mine, then ;) | 16:01 |
| lisitsyn | the 'training' part | 16:01 |
| lisitsyn | I believe this is the killer | 16:02 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: can be done with ease when we get some distributed computation running ;) | 16:02 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: like in next year's gsoc ;) | 16:02 |
| @sonney2k | well think of something very concrete that can be done in <3months | 16:03 |
| @sonney2k | with some easy entrance projects upfront | 16:03 |
| lisitsyn | I would do that by myself but give me the money ;) | 16:03 |
| lisitsyn | haha | 16:03 |
| @sonney2k | with HeikoS I had an 8 hour drive yesterday down to the south | 16:03 |
| @sonney2k | so we came up with a loooong list of ideas and things | 16:03 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: did HeikoS push you to the funding thing? | 16:04 |
| lisitsyn | I mean he wanted to get some money to hire someone | 16:04 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, errm it is not really that I am blocking him here | 16:06 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: no I didn't say you are blocking it ;) just curious if you support that | 16:06 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, why should I block it? | 16:07 |
| @sonney2k | if he finds funding for any of us it would be good right? | 16:07 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: In general I'm interested in large scale discriminative stuff (multilabel classification, SVMs) - but haven't a clue what direction I should move. | 16:07 |
| thoralf | next | 16:07 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, well think about sth you would want to have in shogun / or want to see fixed | 16:08 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, I mean e.g. the streaming features framework etc might need some extension/overhaul | 16:08 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: sure pure good | 16:09 |
| @sonney2k | we need some kind of release script | 16:10 |
| @sonney2k | where should that go? | 16:11 |
| @sonney2k | main CMakefile.txt ? | 16:11 |
| @sonney2k | or some shell script? | 16:11 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: Of course, streaming and sparse computations are essential, but it's infrastructure stuff. | 16:11 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: I prefer working on use-cases and fix infrastructure "on the way". ;) | 16:12 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, any idea for a nice use case? | 16:12 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: Multilabel classification. | 16:13 |
| thoralf | :D | 16:13 |
| @sonney2k | ohh ordinal regression is sth I would want to have too | 16:13 |
| thoralf | (Or tags or whatever you might call it...) | 16:13 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, yeah yeah | 16:13 |
| lisitsyn | I'd go application-centric | 16:15 |
| @sonney2k | applications is seriously the best way to show off shogun's powers | 16:15 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, if we had your traffic sign recognition thing as application that would be cool | 16:15 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, one could even make a demo out of this | 16:15 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: I don't know how should it look like | 16:16 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * 6c23967 / README.md,README_developer.md: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/6c239672028335cde00a53dd0ce833f5a603cfe1 | 16:16 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: update readme and mention how to do a release in the developer readme | 16:16 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: and when to change the soname. | 16:16 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, some images with traffic signs can be uploaded - signs are located and classified | 16:17 |
| @sonney2k | but first things first | 16:19 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: big thing actually | 16:19 |
| lisitsyn | detection is an issue as well | 16:19 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, we really need the dimred notebook for the release | 16:19 |
| lisitsyn | for the release?! | 16:19 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: I worked last night and night before last night :D | 16:19 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, an it is easy to do given what you did for the tapkee | 16:19 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, maybe fernando could do it? | 16:19 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, I mean it is just takeing the code from graphical examples | 16:20 |
| lisitsyn | I am a two weeks overdue with some thing | 16:20 |
| @sonney2k | and the descriptions from the website | 16:20 |
| lisitsyn | yes fernando knows about it as well | 16:20 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, ok then lets ask iglesiasg when he is online | 16:20 |
| lisitsyn | I can draft a plan may be | 16:20 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, yeah just submit some notebook following the template and with some outline added | 16:21 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, do you have any time to help? | 16:21 |
| lisitsyn | okay I'll spend some time on that tomorrow I hope | 16:22 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: As always yes and no. :) | 16:22 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, alright let me say what I think is the only things missing for a proper release: | 16:22 |
| @sonney2k | bug count etc is in OK shape | 16:23 |
| @sonney2k | we only need to fix one issue and that is what Heiko needs to do here and will | 16:23 |
| @sonney2k | the remaining stuff is 'just' to get the notebook cloud thing going - but that is what wiking and besser82 are doing | 16:24 |
| @sonney2k | and to get some nice applications / demos | 16:24 |
| @sonney2k | so people love us when they see us | 16:24 |
| @sonney2k | the rest is good enough(tm) | 16:24 |
| @sonney2k | so we need some more notebooks | 16:24 |
| @sonney2k | and polish the demos and integrate them into the main website | 16:24 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, and for that I could use some help - I need some thumbnail images for the (already online) demos http://fatbot.shogun-toolbox.org/ | 16:25 |
| @sonney2k | so I can place them at the bottom of our website | 16:25 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: notebooks are a nice challenge - anything in particular? | 16:25 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, there is tons of stuff one could do wrt notebooks. we have no general intros into anything | 16:26 |
| @sonney2k | so descriptions for regression, classification, clustering etc | 16:28 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: And about the thumbnails - simply rendering the web page, taking a snapshot and shrinking it would be enough? | 16:28 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, yes | 16:29 |
| @sonney2k | well ne | 16:29 |
| @sonney2k | no | 16:29 |
| @sonney2k | you unfortunately have to put some points there for regression | 16:29 |
| @sonney2k | to get some curve estimated | 16:29 |
| @sonney2k | otherwise it would just be some grid | 16:29 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, but if you could do the notebooks I could ask van51 if he is up to helping out with the demos | 16:30 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: I'll have a look on what we have and will try to do some basic notebooks. | 16:32 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, thanks | 16:32 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: Haven't used ipython notebooks yet, but HeikoS already did some great stuff to copy from. ;) | 16:33 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: One last thing: Deadline. | 16:33 |
| * thoralf needs deadlines to get productive :D | 16:34 | |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, use the template | 16:35 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, iglesiasg created some template so just copy from that one | 16:35 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, well do 1 notebook by end of today | 16:35 |
| @sonney2k | tomorrow | 16:36 |
| @sonney2k | sry | 16:36 |
| @sonney2k | which one? | 16:36 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: I'm thinking of a toy example to show sparse features & streaming & hashing. Plotting performance for different hash sizes. | 16:39 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, makes sense | 16:40 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: Any ideas/wishes? | 16:40 |
| thoralf | Which dataset might be suitable, for example? | 16:40 |
| * thoralf can generate some random data as well. | 16:40 | |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, problem if `real' data here would be that it would be huge - some spam vs non-spam thing for that would be nice | 16:41 |
| @sonney2k | well or some random stuff | 16:42 |
| thoralf | Something high-dimensional, but sparse features would splitting natural language sentences into char-n-grams (n=2 or 3 would do). | 16:44 |
| thoralf | Do we have text data? | 16:44 |
| thoralf | Well, I'll do something. No matter what. | 16:48 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, well van51 has one notebook about that | 16:52 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, http://shogun-toolbox.org/static/notebook/current/HashedDocDotFeatures.html | 16:52 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #1973 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python modular] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/1973 blamelist: Soeren Sonnenburg <sonne@debian.org> | 16:53 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, your notebook could go hand-in-hand with this one since it is only mentioning the streaming part as an extra | 16:53 |
| thoralf | Btw. a typo in van51s notebook "Gunar R?atsch" (reference section ;)) | 16:54 |
| lisitsyn | R? | 16:58 |
| lisitsyn | what? | 16:58 |
| lisitsyn | R?R?R?R? | 16:58 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 16:58 |
| lisitsyn | how does that sound :D | 16:59 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, very male | 17:06 |
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| thoralf | sonney2k: S?oren <-- Can you imagine how "S?" sounds as well? ;) | 17:28 |
| thoralf | See you tomorrow. | 17:29 |
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| @sonney2k | like a rattlesnake! | 17:31 |
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| travis-ci | [travis-ci] it's Soeren Sonnenburg's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/12882086 | 17:36 |
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| @HeikoS | Morning :) | 17:53 |
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| lisitsyn | HeikoS: hello | 18:22 |
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| van51 | hello | 18:46 |
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| @sonney2k | van51, hey! | 18:50 |
| van51 | sonney2k: hello | 18:50 |
| van51 | sonney2k: did you see my reply? | 18:51 |
| @sonney2k | van51, we are in pretty different timezones atm | 18:51 |
| @sonney2k | van51, not yet | 18:51 |
| van51 | sonney2k: what time is it there? 10am or 12am? | 18:51 |
| @sonney2k | 10 yeah | 18:52 |
| @sonney2k | van51, just read your mail. very nice | 18:52 |
| @sonney2k | van51, well thumbnails first and then trying to get demos ready | 18:52 |
| van51 | sonney2k: ok | 18:52 |
| van51 | sonney2k: 140x105 ? | 18:53 |
| @sonney2k | van51, I mean there are still some flaws | 18:53 |
| @sonney2k | van51, same size like the others we currently have | 18:53 |
| @sonney2k | and van51 we can work on demos as long as we want | 18:59 |
| @sonney2k | van51, for now we need to get the release to be in good enough shape and then release though | 19:00 |
| van51 | sonney2k: ok sure. Maybe I'll check some issues then afterwards | 19:01 |
| @sonney2k | van51, for the screenshots you have to click some nice points together and then get some image back | 19:03 |
| @sonney2k | van51, and please describe your example more | 19:03 |
| @sonney2k | van51, so that it is clear that this was trained from a few wikipedia articles | 19:04 |
| @sonney2k | van51, best wishes from HeikoS btw | 19:04 |
| van51 | sonney2k: thx HeikoS, you too :) | 19:05 |
| van51 | sonney2k: are the asp and arts examples not supposed to be working? | 19:05 |
| van51 | sonney2k: asp works actually | 19:05 |
| van51 | sonney2k: can you give me a brief description of those two as well so I can make some intro text? | 19:06 |
| @sonney2k | van51, I will do the descr for these - the examples are not so cool display wise unfortunately | 19:08 |
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| van51 | sonney2k: does the multiclass demo work for you? it's not displaying an image for me sometimes | 19:31 |
| van51 | sonney2k: and never when I have selected the gaussian kernel | 19:31 |
| van51 | sonney2k: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23851310/thumbs.zip | 19:55 |
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