IRC logs of #shogun for Saturday, 2013-11-30

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--- Log opened Sat Nov 30 00:00:46 2013
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shogun-buildbot_build #633 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed test notebooks]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/63305:02
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travis-ci[travis-ci] it's Soeren Sonnenburg's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/1473125811:47
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * e47602f / src/interfaces/modular/SGBase.i: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e47602f2e9ac3e65f7c5797cf9efe8977e1354e218:20
shogun-notifier-shogun: change order of includes to fix compile error18:20
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travis-ci[travis-ci] it's Soeren Sonnenburg's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/1474029918:59
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shogun-buildbot_build #2061 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python modular test csharp modular]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/2061  blamelist: Soeren Sonnenburg <sonne@debian.org>19:19
lisitsyniglesiasg: o la la welcome back to espana19:25
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@sonney2klisitsyn, look things compile now :)19:56
@sonney2klisitsyn, but now all tests fail http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/2061/steps/test%20python%20modular/logs/stdio19:57
lisitsynsonney2k: ah still this issue?19:59
lisitsynsonney2k: I can't see what's changed?19:59
lisitsynis that %feature ("ref") before include?20:00
@sonney2klisitsyn, yes it is before the include20:30
lisitsynsonney2k: usual swig magic20:31
lisitsynsonney2k: you could write a book 'real life swig'20:31
lisitsynjust one page20:32
lisitsyn'if something doesn't work just change the order of something or add some forward declaration'20:32
@sonney2klisitsyn, yeah20:32
@sonney2kok lets try to put the feature("ref") after the include stuff20:34
@sonney2klisitsyn, how is life btw? still overloaded?20:42
@sonney2kor any improvement in sight?20:42
lisitsynsonney2k: oh well yeah something is getting better actually20:44
lisitsynsonney2k: what about you?20:44
@sonney2klisitsyn, I wonder whether you will ever have time for shogun again ...20:44
lisitsynsonney2k: I am stucked accuracy wise with some detector, once I train it properly I am done :D20:44
lisitsynsounds easy20:44
lisitsynsonney2k: I think so20:45
@sonney2klisitsyn, it is really bad that heiko is still off for another month20:45
lisitsynsonney2k: I have one major thing I want to change20:45
lisitsynit can't get out of my mind20:45
lisitsynthese parameters20:45
lisitsyn:D20:45
lisitsynalways on my mind20:45
@sonney2kheh20:46
lisitsynsonney2k: yeah heiko is earth mover20:46
lisitsynbut well it is somewhat good20:46
@sonney2kI want more cool demos / examples20:46
@sonney2kand debian etc packages20:46
lisitsynsonney2k: demos-wise I am much more prepared than before20:46
@sonney2kI really hope besser82 finishes his cmake endeavour sound20:47
@sonney2ksoon20:47
lisitsynI use d3/whatever js stack at my job20:47
@sonney2klisitsyn, cool20:47
@sonney2kso we should add some more cool ones20:47
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@sonney2klisitsyn, your road sign thing or some other obj detection stuff20:47
@sonney2kor whaterver20:47
@sonney2kI actually really think we should do all the teaching examples that people normally do in ML classes20:48
lisitsynsonney2k: I want to understand what ML moves to and follow that20:49
lisitsynsonney2k: I had a lot of fun with some changes I see20:49
lisitsyndeep learning is not everywhere anymore20:49
@sonney2klisitsyn, and btw while we are at it - I am thinking of maybe we should have a weekly meeting - whoever has tiem can attend20:49
@sonney2klisitsyn, just follow jmlr / nips / icml20:50
lisitsynwell we can do that less official20:50
lisitsynjust talk :D20:50
@sonney2kyes20:50
lisitsynwhenever we can20:50
@sonney2klike a beer hour or sth20:50
lisitsynthis normally worked before actually20:50
@sonney2kwell no a fixed day with a fixed time20:50
@sonney2kso people know that everyone *tries* to be there20:50
lisitsynsonney2k: jmlr/nips/icml wise20:51
lisitsynyou know I am not a ML researcher so can't really follow it deeply20:51
@sonney2ke.g some 30 mins slot20:51
lisitsynbut I also can't get out of a feeling20:51
lisitsynthat 95% is useless waste of paper20:51
@sonney2klisitsyn, well you are ML guyish enough20:51
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@sonney2klisitsyn, yes that is normal :D20:51
lisitsynI can't filter out things that are needed20:52
lisitsynand ones that are not20:52
@sonney2klisitsyn, but useless depends also an what you want tod od20:52
@sonney2kto do20:52
lisitsynoh yeah that makes me crazy20:52
lisitsynit is unresolved in my mind still20:53
@sonney2klisitsyn, I think science is always like this20:53
@sonney2kit explores all possible ways20:53
@sonney2kand there is of course some mainstream trend20:53
@sonney2klike say music genres20:53
@sonney2kor whatever mainstream movies20:54
@sonney2kand then the experimental stuff20:54
lisitsynsonney2k: music wise - I am into that now http://instagram.com/p/gqYIMWzfYs/20:54
lisitsyn:D20:54
@sonney2kyeah you are young and ahve time :)20:54
@sonney2klisitsyn, btw I also did some d3 at work20:55
lisitsynsonney2k: well I get back to home and have things to do with other work but just can't do anything20:55
lisitsynso I thought it would be good to learn some stuff haha20:55
lisitsynsonney2k: yeah I remember you said about that20:55
lisitsynyou were secret as usual so no idea20:56
lisitsynwe use it to draw some time-space graph of railroad20:56
lisitsynin 24h scale20:56
@sonney2klisitsyn, well yeah I signed some contract right? So I better not break the rules...20:56
lisitsynsonney2k: indeed :)20:57
lisitsynsonney2k: don't you feel all that web stuff is much more funnier that anything else?20:59
@sonney2klisitsyn, yeah it is cool20:59
@sonney2kaha20:59
lisitsynI actually have some explanation20:59
@sonney2k/home/sonne/shogun/src/shogun/base/SGObject.h:102: Warning 401: Base class 'SGRefObject' undefined.20:59
lisitsynyou see feedback instantly20:59
lisitsynthe cycle is much shorter21:00
@sonney2klisitsyn, and it is eye candy21:00
lisitsynyou just change something and you see it with your eyes21:00
@sonney2klisitsyn, problem though is that you cannot properly test things21:00
lisitsynno that's not that impossible21:00
lisitsynthere are a lot of testing things for js21:01
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@iglesiasglisitsyn, thanks! :)21:02
@sonney2kiglesiasg, I guess it is the best decision you could make weather wise!21:08
@iglesiasgsonney2k, it actually snew in Spain a couple of days ago, but no snow in Stockholm yet this year, crazy!21:08
@sonney2kiglesiasg, that reminds me of a visit of Barcelona a few years back where there were like 10cm snow21:09
@sonney2kI think in october / november21:09
@iglesiasgwow in Barcelona21:09
@iglesiasgbeach place, so even more unlikely I guess!21:10
@sonney2kiglesiasg, traffic broke down that day21:11
@sonney2kbut snow was more a mush then real snow21:12
@sonney2kand I was 0% prepared for that21:12
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@sonney2kiglesiasg, nice that you will continue the readme*md endaevour21:16
@iglesiasgeverything broke down here when it snows, even if it is very very little21:16
@iglesiasgsonney2k, sure21:16
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@sonney2klisitsyn, seen that http://www.p01.org/releases/wolfensteiny/ ?21:37
lisitsynsonney2k: ha! no21:37
@sonney2khttp://www.p01.org/releases/tea_storm/tea_storm.htm21:38
@sonney2kI guess this guy would write shogun in .js in 10kb ;)21:39
lisitsynwell21:39
lisitsynno :)21:39
@sonney2klisitsyn, do you have any idea how I could in small incremental steps get rid of SGString* crap?21:42
@sonney2kand replace it with SGVector* goodness?21:42
lisitsynsonney2k: incremental hmm21:42
@sonney2kI did a couple of attempts21:42
@sonney2kbut they were all trying too much21:42
lisitsynsonney2k: what about typedef?21:42
@sonney2kso no way of every finishing21:42
@sonney2klisitsyn, ??21:43
lisitsyntypedef SGVector SGString21:43
@sonney2khaha21:43
lisitsynwith C++11 you can do template typedef21:43
@sonney2kthat kaboom21:43
lisitsynyes of course21:43
lisitsynbut you could change SGVector to support the same interface then21:43
@sonney2kwell I would want to have something less drastic21:43
@sonney2klisitsyn, hmmhh21:43
@sonney2kI think there are 2 major steps21:44
@sonney2k1) is derive it from SGReferencedData21:44
lisitsynahhhhhhh21:44
lisitsynSGString is not sgdata21:44
lisitsynsure sure21:44
@sonney2k2) switch over to ref'd21:44
lisitsynnow I understand21:44
@sonney2kerr vector21:44
@sonney2kyeah21:44
@sonney2kit is the only data type we didn't finish21:44
@sonney2kconverting21:44
lisitsynmany brave souls died during the first phase21:45
lisitsynremember I rolled things back21:45
lisitsyn:D21:45
@sonney2klisitsyn, unfortunately21:45
@sonney2kyou should have kept things21:45
lisitsynwell it wasn't working at all21:46
lisitsynlike you have everything failing21:46
@sonney2kmaybe it is impossible to do 1) incrementally21:46
lisitsynsonney2k: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41v6n3Vaf5s/UeRN_XJ0keI/AAAAAAAAN2Y/YxIHhddGiaw/s1600/css.gif21:46
lisitsynlike that21:46
@sonney2kyeah it certainly is like that21:47
lisitsynsonney2k: well may be some solution would be21:52
lisitsyndo 1) but don't delete21:52
lisitsynso you won't get terrible failures yet21:52
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * 5844f48 / / (14 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/5844f480a1b588e5fccfef90d1df096579467d1921:56
shogun-notifier-shogun: don't include SGStringList in SGObject.h21:56
@sonney2klisitsyn, yeah maybe I can split it up even21:58
@sonney2klisitsyn, first make SGStringList 'refable'21:58
@sonney2kand then later sgstring21:58
@sonney2klisitsyn, haha21:59
@sonney2kSGStringList is already!21:59
lisitsynsonney2k: one step done :D22:00
@sonney2k*lol*22:00
@sonney2klisitsyn, actually one way to 'fix' things would be to make SGString 'refable' and then use only the 'disable refcount' constructor22:00
@sonney2klisitsyn, and then gradually switch over to use the refcount22:01
lisitsynsonney2k: yes makes sense22:01
lisitsynbut I don't see gradually here22:01
lisitsyn:D22:01
lisitsynyou just turn it on and then go to hospital to heal wounds22:01
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travis-ci[travis-ci] it's Soeren Sonnenburg's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/1474607322:39
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shogun-buildbot_build #2062 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python modular test ruby modular test java modular test csharp modular test lua modular test octave modular test r modular]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/2062  blamelist: Soeren Sonnenburg <sonne@debian.org>23:45
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