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| shogun-buildbot | build #652 of nightly_default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/652 | 04:06 |
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| Saurabh7 | hello, can anyone tell me why the java modular thing fails in https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/15686637? | 05:29 |
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| lisitsyn | wiking: we are on the way to win hah | 07:38 |
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| wiking | lisitsyn: \o/ | 10:11 |
| wiking | lisitsyn: seems ppl are not so keen on the licensing story :P (only 3 votes till now) | 10:45 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I can't decide between MIT and BSD | 10:47 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 10:47 |
| wiking | lol | 10:47 |
| wiking | just pick one | 10:47 |
| wiking | anyhow bsd is not really specified which one of that :P | 10:48 |
| wiking | 3 liner 2 liner etc. | 10:48 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I like 2-clause more | 10:50 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I am quite tired of beliefs any company will ever commit anything | 10:50 |
| lisitsyn | due to lgpl/gplness | 10:50 |
| lisitsyn | this has nothing to do with 2/3-clause, just recalled :) | 10:51 |
| wiking | yeah sure | 10:52 |
| wiking | see webkit | 10:52 |
| wiking | that was working nicely for a while :P | 10:52 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: yeah if you are webkit | 10:53 |
| lisitsyn | or linux | 10:54 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: still believe gpl would only scare away and that's it | 10:54 |
| lisitsyn | no commitment to commit anything :) | 10:54 |
| wiking | yeah well now we only have to decide which way to go | 11:02 |
| wiking | and send out ~90 emails :) | 11:02 |
| wiking | and in worst case drop out some code :P | 11:02 |
| lisitsyn | I like that | 11:02 |
| lisitsyn | dropping code is the most effective thing | 11:02 |
| wiking | well this way we might be forced to do so :) | 11:02 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: it is good to be forced to do good! | 11:03 |
| wiking | heheh well yeah i think we'll need about 2-3 months to get this thing done | 11:03 |
| wiking | so i think we could barely finish it before next gsoc :P | 11:04 |
| wiking | seems the cmake improvements are optimized for fedora and like distors as nothing works from that on a normal distribution | 11:05 |
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| lisitsyn | wiking: it doubled the number of website visitors haha | 12:12 |
| wiking | :D | 12:23 |
| wiking | lol | 12:23 |
| wiking | well reddit effect | 12:23 |
| wiking | lol github tracker works! | 12:25 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Saurabh7 :develop * 0512023 / tests/unit/evaluation/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/0512023bfb9cf4dacb4f888598b5ddcb2b5a5e4d | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: test cross validation fold indices | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Saurabh7 :develop * 0f9ddbd / tests/unit/evaluation/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/0f9ddbd05c3bce46d3432a6b21df8834841f26a8 | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: modified one file to include all tests | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Saurabh7 :develop * 32725f5 / tests/unit/evaluation/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/32725f50f23ece9771b7fce70821f2007da99034 | 13:24 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Saurabh7 :develop * ef6347d / tests/unit/evaluation/CrossValidation_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/ef6347dd3fe73fe6d04963541e4b9d5e2445a425 | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: fixed typos in crossvalidation tests | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Saurabh7 :develop * f4f8f07 / tests/unit/evaluation/CrossValidation_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/f4f8f07ec14e5007781c389594d3c91484e45d82 | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: test covering of all indices | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Saurabh7 :develop * 7458c16 / tests/unit/evaluation/CrossValidation_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/7458c1696515b99217be8c08873bdce2955084fb | 13:24 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: test covering of all indices | 13:24 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #2543 of deb1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2543 blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>, Saurabh7 <saurabh.mahindre@gmail.com> | 13:34 |
| wiking | huh that's a failure | 13:45 |
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| travis-ci | [travis-ci] it's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/15704551 | 14:19 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #140 of clang34 - undefined behaviour analysis is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/clang34%20-%20undefined%20behaviour%20analysis/builds/140 blamelist: Saurabh7 <saurabh.mahindre@gmail.com> | 14:27 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #138 of clang34 - thread analysis is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/clang34%20-%20thread%20analysis/builds/138 blamelist: Saurabh7 <saurabh.mahindre@gmail.com> | 14:46 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #157 of clang34 - static analysis is complete: Failure [failed analyse] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/clang34%20-%20static%20analysis/builds/157 blamelist: Saurabh7 <saurabh.mahindre@gmail.com> | 15:34 |
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| besser82 | hey lisitsyn! | 17:53 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: hey | 17:53 |
| besser82 | are you proof in da pure ANSI-C ??? | 17:53 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: well know a bit | 17:54 |
| besser82 | perhaps you know... | 17:54 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: just ask and lets see if I know the answer ;) | 17:54 |
| besser82 | is it safe to cmp some double with da memcmp? | 17:55 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: safe in means of? | 17:55 |
| besser82 | like da if ( memcmp ( double a, double b, sizeof(double) ) == 0 ) // doubles are equal | 17:55 |
| besser82 | sry, worng... | 17:56 |
| lisitsyn | it doesn't sound like a good idea | 17:56 |
| besser82 | like da if ( memcmp ( (void*) double a, (void*) double b, sizeof(double) ) == 0 ) // doubles are equal | 17:56 |
| lisitsyn | I mean comparing doubles exactly is kind of bad | 17:56 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: apart from that it should work ok | 17:57 |
| besser82 | i know, but i need da generic code for working with da int int64 float double .... | 17:57 |
| besser82 | complex | 17:57 |
| besser82 | because da FORTRAN linpack is da mut too slow | 17:58 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: ^^ | 17:58 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: okay I see | 17:58 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: but still it could be an issue | 17:58 |
| lisitsyn | double a == double b is like a rare case | 17:59 |
| besser82 | from mem fooprint or from value? | 17:59 |
| besser82 | footprint, i guess.... | 17:59 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: isn't it the same? ;) | 17:59 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: \o/ NOOOOOOOOOOO! | 18:00 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: you can have similar values but different footprints that's true | 18:00 |
| lisitsyn | but similar not the same right? | 18:00 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: likely on not IEEE conform hw | 18:00 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: you gont me :-P | 18:01 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: so what do you compare? | 18:01 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: ordinals of eval() | 18:02 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: are you sure you want to rewrite anything from linpack? ;) | 18:03 |
| besser82 | and I need a way to do the in da ANSI-C with da generic-code | 18:03 |
| lisitsyn | you gonna have a lot of troubles with that I guess | 18:03 |
| besser82 | for da f*ck**g embedded device :-P | 18:03 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: macroses for the win! | 18:03 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: just use CMP(a,b) | 18:03 |
| lisitsyn | CMP(double, a, b); | 18:04 |
| lisitsyn | CMP(int, a, b); | 18:04 |
| lisitsyn | etc | 18:04 |
| lisitsyn | would that work? | 18:04 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: That's not in da ANSI-C :( | 18:04 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: why not? | 18:04 |
| lisitsyn | #define CMP(type, a, b) type##cmp_implementation(a,b) | 18:05 |
| lisitsyn | intcmp_implementation(a,b) { return a==b; } | 18:05 |
| besser82 | that would be too much size in binary ;) | 18:05 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: ehmmmm what's the other way? | 18:06 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: i dunno, but memcpm | 18:06 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: memcmp isn't picky about types | 18:06 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: yes it doesn't care | 18:06 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: but floating point? | 18:06 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: i'm currently checkin if it would matter ---> p_implementation(a,b) | 18:07 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: i'm currently checkin if it would matter ---> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/63243/87472324 | 18:07 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: in means of == it could be ok but do you need == for doubles? | 18:08 |
| lisitsyn | it would work for 0.0 or whatever | 18:08 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: yes somewhere in fortran code of linpack there is such | 18:08 |
| lisitsyn | but once you get 0.75 + 0.5 it is not the same as 0.5 + 0.75 | 18:09 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: so i need to check for that in the loop, tooo.... thanks for pointing that out ;) | 18:10 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: seems that on recent compiler 0.5 + 0.75 is the same as 0.75 + 0.5 ... :D | 18:14 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: what about 0.76 and 0.51? | 18:14 |
| besser82 | from memory compare | 18:15 |
| besser82 | lemme check | 18:15 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: same memory | 18:16 |
| besser82 | lemme do a loop check for vals 0.00001 .... 1000.0000 | 18:17 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: looks like it works | 18:19 |
| lisitsyn | http://ideone.com/qA3Vb5 | 18:19 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: http://ideone.com/qA3Vb5 modified a bit | 18:20 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: IEEE floating numbers are not commutative ;) | 18:21 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: haha | 18:21 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: a != b :-P | 18:21 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: should be memcmp ( ba, ab) ;) | 18:21 |
| lisitsyn | oops | 18:21 |
| lisitsyn | http://ideone.com/qA3Vb5 | 18:22 |
| lisitsyn | okay let me break it | 18:22 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: same mem :D | 18:22 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: looks like compilers are today smarter that the ones from 1985 :-P | 18:23 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: it has nothing to do with compilers | 18:23 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: but with serialization ;) | 18:24 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: and it looks recent compilers do these on real / double | 18:24 |
| besser82 | with da automagick ;) | 18:24 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: let's try clang and see if that f*cks it up ;) | 18:25 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: nope even clang does it right ;) | 18:26 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: like using serialization | 18:26 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: what serialization? | 18:26 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: making shure there is always the same mem-repres of one possible value | 18:27 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: well in this snippet of mine | 18:27 |
| lisitsyn | it just computes the same value | 18:27 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: yes | 18:27 |
| lisitsyn | let me force it to compute it non-associative way somehow | 18:28 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: kk | 18:28 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: compilers are smart but IEEE stays the same | 18:29 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: proof? | 18:29 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: what makes it different? :) | 18:29 |
| lisitsyn | it is a standard | 18:30 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: but then compiler are not compliant to IEEE | 18:31 |
| lisitsyn | no it just optimizes this synthetic test | 18:31 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: it look like it optimizes the whole loops | 18:31 |
| besser82 | when doing a cmp in a loop | 18:32 |
| besser82 | like loop: a_ptr = &b ; a=a+i ; b=i+b; memcmp (a,b,sizeof(double)) | 18:32 |
| lisitsyn | yeah sure | 18:48 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: you've got to compare assembly to make sure ;) | 18:49 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: but the truth is the same still, comparing doubles is a bit dangerous | 18:49 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: yes, but i'm the search for doing all with the least possible code.... | 18:50 |
| besser82 | all == int, int64, real, double, complex, ... | 18:50 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: and == is faster ;) | 18:50 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: yes, but more different code | 18:50 |
| lisitsyn | I am pretty sure it won't inline memcmp | 18:50 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: the matter is speed && minimum binsize | 18:51 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: otherwise i could stick with that fortran-shit | 18:52 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: fortan is considered faster for algebra ;) | 18:57 |
| lisitsyn | due to good vectorization and alignment | 18:58 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: really? | 19:02 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: but it actually takes too much mem | 19:02 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: for linking in gfortran | 19:03 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: and for f-linpack i will need f-blas, which isn't faster that say atlas or openBlas | 19:03 |
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| besser82 | lisitsyn: found my solution when studying the code of openBLAS :D | 21:07 |
| besser82 | lisitsyn: many thanks | 21:07 |
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| besser82 | bb: Are all your problems solved now? | 23:14 |
| bb | besser82 yes.. i have got shogun installed on osx! which was my primary choice.. i did not get any time today to test applications code etc | 23:15 |
| bb | besser82 will do that in the next few days.. | 23:15 |
| besser82 | bb: Nice to hear :) | 23:15 |
| bb | besser82 where are you located.. | 23:16 |
| besser82 | bb: Germany, near Hannover | 23:16 |
| besser82 | bb: and youss | 23:17 |
| besser82 | bb: and you? | 23:17 |
| bb | besser82 okay good in DC, USA | 23:17 |
| besser82 | bb: How is it going there? Snow and stuff? | 23:18 |
| bb | it does not snow much in dc .. around 4-5 times for the year | 23:20 |
| besser82 | bb: actually it isn't much different over here. Temperatures are still > 0?C | 23:21 |
| bb | besser82 that is good.. i used to work for a german company | 23:22 |
| besser82 | bb: Which one? | 23:22 |
| bb | besser82 qiagen sciences | 23:23 |
| besser82 | bb: never heard of them.... | 23:23 |
| bb | it is a biotech company | 23:23 |
| besser82 | bb: i see just googled them ;) | 23:24 |
| bb | besser82 what kind of work do you do.. | 23:25 |
| besser82 | bb: I'm a freelancer, focussed on riskcalculations for individual insurances | 23:26 |
| besser82 | bb: stuff like JLo wants to insure her bum-bum or Hugh Heffner wants to insure himself not needing viagra :-P | 23:26 |
| bb | besser82 okay good... that sounds interesting | 23:27 |
| besser82 | bb: actually just sounds... | 23:27 |
| bb | these days they can grow or trip anything | 23:27 |
| bb | i meant trim | 23:28 |
| besser82 | bb: from me pov it is all the same | 23:28 |
| bb | besser82 i understand | 23:28 |
| besser82 | bb: just mining huge amounts of data and applying some `magic` on that :D | 23:28 |
| bb | besser82 you will get rich someday and not show up on irc anymore | 23:29 |
| besser82 | bb: :-P | 23:29 |
| besser82 | bb: That would actually not stop me from hanging out in irc ;) | 23:29 |
| besser82 | bb: biotech actually seems to be more interessting, btw. | 23:30 |
| bb | besser82 were you in the shogun workshop in summer | 23:31 |
| besser82 | bb: unfortunalely not, i just hit the project ~ sept | 23:31 |
| bb | besser82 okay | 23:32 |
| besser82 | bb: but i think next year i will be there | 23:32 |
| besser82 | bb: you, too?!? | 23:33 |
| bb | besser82 good.. i would like to attend too just for fun and vacation lets see | 23:33 |
| besser82 | bb: nice! | 23:33 |
| besser82 | bb: but i don't know the scedule, yet... | 23:34 |
| besser82 | bb: looks like sonney2k needs to publish... | 23:35 |
| besser82 | bb: hope it won't interfere with some of my other visits | 23:35 |
| besser82 | bb: like fosdem, brussels or devconf.cz in Brno,CZ | 23:35 |
| bb | besser82 yeah.. i have very slim chance to make it | 23:36 |
| besser82 | bb: Why? | 23:36 |
| bb | besser82 good i dont have any such nice plans...just leaving work is hard for me | 23:36 |
| besser82 | bb: so much to do? | 23:37 |
| besser82 | bb: for me those are essential, because of catching up those new movements in some projects / products have in use on my infra | 23:38 |
| bb | besser82 i am not a freelancer.. to make the big invention/bucks | 23:38 |
| besser82 | bb ^^ | 23:38 |
| besser82 | bb: Those are actually part of my work | 23:39 |
| besser82 | bb: not directly, but inderectly, because I'm using some nifty redhat stuff on my infra like oVirt / open Stack / openShift | 23:39 |
| bb | besser82 good i do not know these terms.. may be some day when i get out of my routine i can | 23:40 |
| besser82 | bb: those are some middleware / cloud-oriented things | 23:41 |
| besser82 | bb: oVirt is low-level datacenter management | 23:41 |
| besser82 | bb: openStack actually make private cloud like putting some butter on your bread | 23:42 |
| bb | besser82 okay.. so who are the commericial players in this | 23:42 |
| besser82 | bb: http://www.openstack.org/foundation/companies/ | 23:43 |
| besser82 | bb: says everything ;) | 23:43 |
| besser82 | bb: ...brb... pc | 23:44 |
| besser82 | bb: lots of global players | 23:44 |
| bb | besser82 okay | 23:44 |
| besser82 | bb re | 23:51 |
| besser82 | bb: openShift is actually for deploying Software-as-a-Service | 23:51 |
| bb | besser82 okay so do you get paid to this stuff as these are funded by these companies | 23:52 |
| besser82 | bb: no, i just use it, it's opensource | 23:53 |
| besser82 | bb: because it makes my work a lot easier | 23:54 |
| besser82 | bb: so i can focus on important stuff... | 23:54 |
| besser82 | bb: which doesn't bring me $$$ | 23:54 |
| bb | besser82 okay may be not $$$ but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | 23:55 |
| besser82 | bb: the stuff which brings me $$$$$$$$ isn't important, just annoying neccesity | 23:55 |
| besser82 | bb: important stuff == making the world a better place, e.g. | 23:56 |
| bb | besser82 that is good .. are you married by any chance | 23:57 |
| besser82 | bb: nope | 23:57 |
| besser82 | bb: have been but that's ~2 yo ago... | 23:58 |
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