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| @sonney2k | does anyone know here a stress testing web thing? | 00:12 |
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| @sonney2k | to simulate load? | 00:12 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #662 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed notebooks] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/662 | 04:22 |
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| siddharth950 | besser82, which installation method should I follow? | 08:34 |
| siddharth950 | besser82, one is mentioned on the shogun installation page and the other one on the Github docs | 08:35 |
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| siddharth950 | sonney2k, is it necessary to build from source if I want to contribute? | 09:10 |
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| siddharth950 | besser82, where is init_shogun() defined? | 10:23 |
| besser82 | siddharth950: src/shogun/base/init.{cpp,h} | 10:25 |
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| besser82 | sonney2k, wiking, iglesiasg: mornin' :D | 12:28 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, heh evening! | 12:30 |
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| @iglesiasg | besser82, hello :) | 13:14 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, if I understand your plugin concept correctly | 13:15 |
| @sonney2k | (FYI to the others - that one http://blog.nuclex-games.com/tutorials/cxx/plugin-architecture/ ) | 13:15 |
| @sonney2k | one would e.g. define CKernel as interface | 13:15 |
| @sonney2k | and then e.g. CGaussianKernel would be a .dll / .so?! | 13:15 |
| @sonney2k | What I don't get though is how cross connections are done | 13:16 |
| @sonney2k | like CKernel needs CFeatures | 13:16 |
| @wiking | i reckon that we could learn a lot from gstreamer arch | 13:17 |
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| besser82 | sonney2k: every plugin can communicate with another one through the "interface-lib" | 13:26 |
| besser82 | sonney2k: I could imagine using plugins that way: | 13:26 |
| besser82 | having an interface-lib, which provides all (common-)stuff needing to deal with the "functional"-plugins | 13:27 |
| besser82 | that would be the ui-exposing interface, too. like user writes his code using that interface, only | 13:28 |
| besser82 | the interface-lib looksup all avail plugins on init() | 13:28 |
| besser82 | and registers them to the plugin-manager | 13:29 |
| besser82 | which provides func-ptrs to the corrensponding plg's functions / methods | 13:29 |
| besser82 | all plugins need to interface that interface-lib in any way | 13:30 |
| besser82 | if one plugin needs to interact with another one this is made through the interface-lib as well... | 13:31 |
| besser82 | the if-lib then checks whether the req. plg is already loaded and if neccessary loads && inits it | 13:31 |
| besser82 | sonney2k, wiking: ^^^ | 13:31 |
| besser82 | so there is just one main interface, which doesn't have any "exotic" deps and provides the generic-stuff need for the user to interact | 13:33 |
| besser82 | that would solve the d-ptr stuff and some other things as well.... | 13:33 |
| besser82 | iglesiasg, HeikoS: ^^^ | 13:34 |
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| besser82 | will be back in ~5 mins ---> router reboot | 13:35 |
| @iglesiasg | besser82, how do the if-lib and plugins communicate? | 13:37 |
| @iglesiasg | besser82, is everything solved at compile time, I mean all of these are libraries with headers to include and so on | 13:37 |
| @iglesiasg | besser82, or IPC? | 13:37 |
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| besser82 | re | 13:41 |
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| @wiking | iglesiasg: no ipc... | 13:44 |
| @iglesiasg | ok! | 13:44 |
| @wiking | iglesiasg: dynamic lib (.so | 13:44 |
| @iglesiasg | I guess it was an stupid/insane question :D | 13:45 |
| @wiking | nono i'm just saying | 13:45 |
| @iglesiasg | all right gtg, catch you later | 13:53 |
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| besser82 | sonney2k: btw. communication between the plugins could be done with Protobufs as well ;) | 16:17 |
| @wiking | besser82: nooooo | 16:20 |
| besser82 | wiking: ??? | 16:20 |
| @wiking | besser82: i hope that was just a joke about the protobuf's current state in shogun :)))0 | 16:20 |
| besser82 | wiking: I just said "could be done", not is the *BEST* solution ;) | 16:21 |
| @wiking | besser82: ok i've sent my 2 cents | 16:25 |
| @wiking | besser82: but basically i would really suggest to check on gstreamer on this manner | 16:25 |
| @wiking | *matter | 16:25 |
| @wiking | they did an awesome job for creating a plugin based media framework | 16:25 |
| @wiking | and they only had ansi c for doing it ;) | 16:27 |
| besser82 | wiking: yes, i did have a look on gstreamer and the work is nice, but... | 16:27 |
| @wiking | what's the but? :) | 16:28 |
| besser82 | wiking: since we are using C++11 things can be done a lot easier than just using ansi-c ;) | 16:28 |
| @wiking | besser82: yeah sure i'm just saying that doing something similar or based on that | 16:28 |
| @wiking | would be highly adviseable | 16:28 |
| @wiking | as they are really working on this for 5+ years | 16:28 |
| @wiking | besser82: i know one of the core developers personally so i can even get him to tell us a bit about the pitfalls one might encounter | 16:29 |
| besser82 | wiking: that would be a nice idea :D | 16:30 |
| besser82 | wiking: and one other thing about gstreamer is: It looks a bit overcomplicated to me, but that might be because of using pure ansi-c ;) | 16:30 |
| @wiking | besser82: but i would really go with doing this in memory | 16:30 |
| @wiking | and not some library to do the communication among the different plugins | 16:31 |
| @wiking | besser82: well yeah ansi c makes everything a little bit more complicated... or let's say harder to read | 16:31 |
| besser82 | wiking: you're talking about the interface-lib?!? | 16:32 |
| besser82 | wiking: like in my proposal? | 16:32 |
| @wiking | besser82: but then again as u can see now the different plugins can be glued together automagically | 16:32 |
| besser82 | wiking: by "interface-lib" i refer to some lib, which is: | 16:33 |
| besser82 | the lib the user links against | 16:33 |
| besser82 | the lib providing the public interfaces | 16:34 |
| besser82 | the lib which has common data-structures used by all plugins | 16:34 |
| besser82 | wiking: so I think, I basically meant the same, what those gstreamer-folks already did ;) But in the C++11-way | 16:35 |
| @wiking | well i wouldnt push c++11 that much | 16:35 |
| @wiking | as it'll take another 2 years to have compilers supporting that on many other systems... | 16:36 |
| @wiking | certenly we can do some ifdefs as it is now | 16:36 |
| besser82 | wiking: all major compilers actually support c++11 quite well now ;) Clang, GCC, MSVC | 16:37 |
| besser82 | wiking: shall we really care about exotics like HP-Ux?!? | 16:37 |
| @wiking | besser82: yeah the latest stable of those compilers... | 16:39 |
| @wiking | but not everybody has that on their system :P | 16:39 |
| besser82 | wiking: afaik all we need of c++11 in the "interface"-lib, should work from gcc 4.3+ or MSVC2009 | 16:40 |
| besser82 | wiking: no sure about clang.... | 16:40 |
| besser82 | wiking: but you can tell ;) | 16:40 |
| besser82 | wiking: so supporting the basic "c++0x"-features should be enough | 16:42 |
| besser82 | wiking: or shall we really care about people using up-to-date stuff like Internet Explorer for Mac? :-P | 16:43 |
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| @sonney2k | besser82, I still don't have a clear picture | 17:48 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, I guess I will only get one if we try this with some minimal code example | 17:48 |
| @sonney2k | but first things first | 17:48 |
| @sonney2k | we need to get cmake in shape and 3.1 out | 17:48 |
| besser82 | sonney2k: ack :D | 17:56 |
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