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| bluenotebook | hello, I had a doubt regarding the "Shogun Missionary & Shogun in Education" project idea | 07:19 |
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| dhruv13 | I have a question... | 10:01 |
| dhruv13 | in Math.h, the values for MIN_REAL_VALUE and MACHINE EPSILON are defined explicitly, rather than use the IEEE 754 values defined in float.h | 10:02 |
| dhruv13 | this is causing some unit tests which test float comparison to fail... | 10:02 |
| dhruv13 | Is it recommended that I use the values directly from float.h, or change/add CMath::* equivalents? | 10:03 |
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| kislay | I am getting difficulty in building the shogun using python interface. while running make I get : shogun/src/shogun/mathematics/lapack.h:37:19: fatal error: cblas.h: No such file or directory | 12:19 |
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| @sonney2k | dhruv13, well we simply didn't know back then so send a patch that defines these things in Math.h and use them! | 12:42 |
| @sonney2k | kislay, install libatlas-dev | 12:43 |
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| thoralf | Hey! | 12:43 |
| thoralf | Where does HeikoS find all this cool things? -> http://osrc.dfm.io/tklein23 | 12:44 |
| kislay | thanks a lot sonney2k :) | 12:46 |
| @sonney2k | thoralf, lisitsyn did send this around a year or so ago | 12:50 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, please send me the kill_svmlight script! | 12:51 |
| dhruv13 | okay | 12:51 |
| thoralf | sonney2k: Didn't know that. | 12:51 |
| thoralf | lisitsyn: You're so cool as well, because you found it first! :S | 12:52 |
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| @besser82 | sonney2k: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/shogun.git/plain/light-scrubber.sh :D | 13:08 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, that does work on the extracted source or where? | 13:08 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: yes, it's for the extracted 3.2.0-release.tar.bz2 | 13:09 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, perfect! Then I can add some debian magic that downloads the 3.2.0 runs the script and generates a debian.orig.tar.gz | 13:09 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, btw I have some weird build failures on powerpc now | 13:10 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: yes, sir, I can boogie ;) | 13:10 |
| @sonney2k | https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=python-shogun&suite=sid | 13:10 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: I can haz logz, plz? | 13:10 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: you've been faster ;) | 13:10 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, I managed to build even on mips and mipsel btw :) | 13:10 |
| @sonney2k | using clang! | 13:10 |
| kislay | ah! got another error at 85% : Linking CXX executable balanced_conditional_probability_tree | 13:10 |
| kislay | ../../../src/shogun/libshogun.so.16.1: undefined reference to `shogun::CPCA::CPCA(bool, shogun::EPCAMode, double, shogun::EPCAMemoryMode)' | 13:10 |
| @sonney2k | it needs a lot less memory! | 13:10 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: is clang allowed for debian?!? No gcc-only policy around?!? | 13:11 |
| @sonney2k | sure I can use clang when I want - and I do need it just for these archs | 13:11 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, and note the error on ppc - it seems gcc is generating invalid assembly code | 13:12 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: nope, for me it looks like some weird stuff with numpy | 13:12 |
| @sonney2k | besser82, ? | 13:13 |
| @sonney2k | /tmp/cchNjNvK.s ... | 13:13 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: iirc that was the reason for RHEL not to ship Numpy / Scipy for the ppc releases... | 13:13 |
| @sonney2k | seems like a src file | 13:13 |
| @sonney2k | asm src I mean | 13:13 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: that's gcc trying to compile the numpy header... | 13:14 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: within SWIG-context... | 13:14 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: and that goes ***BOOM-BANG!!!*** even on RHEL 5 && 6 PPC{64} | 13:14 |
| @sonney2k | kislay, indeed that is a bug - PCA should not be available when EIGEN3 is not | 13:14 |
| @sonney2k | kislay, workaround for now is to install eigen3 ! | 13:15 |
| kislay | sure!! | 13:15 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: that was the reason for RH not to ship / support that for RHEL PPC-releases... | 13:15 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: I can ask ausil / dgilmore on monday for details about that... | 13:16 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * 0801359 / src/shogun/preprocessor/PCA.cpp,src/shogun/preprocessor/PCA.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/0801359be7f056b74b8e4be8532d11f4f756d323 | 13:18 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: ifdef with EIGEN3 in PCA too | 13:18 |
| @besser82 | sonney2k: I'm sure he knows what was going on there && details to get some direction to hunt down that.... | 13:19 |
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| kislay | Have installed libeigen3-dev, but the same error persists. | 13:38 |
| kislay | Is there is some problem regarding linking libshogun.a, libshogun.so ? | 13:43 |
| @besser82 | kislay: did you erase the build-folder && recreated / rerun cmake after install of Eigen3? | 13:47 |
| @besser82 | kislay: which version of Eigen3, btw, did you install? | 13:47 |
| @besser82 | kislay: shogun need eigen3 >= 3.1.2 | 13:47 |
| kislay | I installed the one available in the ubuntu repo i.e libeigen3-dev (3.0.5-1) | 13:48 |
| @besser82 | kislay: 3.0.5 is much too old | 13:49 |
| @besser82 | kislay: which version of ubuntu do you use? | 13:49 |
| kislay | ubuntu 12.04.2 precise | 13:50 |
| @besser82 | kislay: is there any specific reason for you using ubuntu (lts)? | 13:50 |
| kislay | naah!! Here most people use it , just that! | 13:51 |
| kislay | Is eigen3 > 3.1.2 not available for ubuntu 12.04 | 13:52 |
| @besser82 | kislay: possibly in backports or some ppa, perhaps... I dunno... | 13:52 |
| * besser82 uses Fedora 20 | 13:52 | |
| kislay | okay , let me try a bit. | 13:52 |
| @besser82 | kislay: otherwise I can just recommend using Fedora 20 | 13:53 |
| @besser82 | kislay: There are pre-build rpm for shogun avail there, which are frequently maintained by me | 13:53 |
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| kislay | Got eigen3 3.1.2-1 at precise-backports. Then after erasing the previous build and re running make, cmake in python interface the same problem persists :( | 14:18 |
| @besser82 | kislay: delete the build-folder, recreate, re-run cmake and try again, plz... | 14:19 |
| @besser82 | kislay: It basically should build fine... | 14:20 |
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| lisitsyn | oh guys we are going to have some war I guess :D | 15:11 |
| kislay | besser82: thanks a lot for bearing me, it's finally completely build. :) | 15:17 |
| kislay | the problem was due to various ppa's of eigen3 untill I found the correct one | 15:18 |
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| @sonney2k | kislay, heh! excellent! | 16:06 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, what kind of war? You jbossing? | 16:06 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: you will see in the news soon | 16:06 |
| @besser82 | kislay: thx! nice to hear! :D | 16:10 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn: c'mon, tell us now!!!1111one-eleven-one | 16:10 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: russian forces is entering ukraine :) | 16:11 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn: oh, sh*t, man! CCCP 2.0 | 16:11 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: yeah fck that | 16:11 |
| kislay | sonney2k, one thing which is intriguing me a lot is - I googled a lot on the error : "ImportError: libshogun.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", and got various answers in this channels log. I managed to overcome it. but why don't you document it? | 16:12 |
| * besser82 wonders if there now some chances to get "Schlesien" back??? :-P | 16:12 | |
| @besser82 | kislay: that depends on the location you have libshogun.so* installed | 16:13 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: just take that - you see how easy it is | 16:13 |
| @besser82 | kislay: e.g. if you place that in system's /usr/lib/ you won't get that error; it is mostly due to custom locations | 16:14 |
| @besser82 | kislay: and if someone uses custom locations, I think the one knows what he does and know how to correctly use the linker-flags, when linking against *.so in custom location | 16:15 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn: can you lend me some tanks?!? | 16:15 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: I have seen some (~18) tanks moving on the road yesterday actually :D | 16:16 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn: what are you w8ing for? Conquer them and give them to me!!! :-P | 16:16 |
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| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, yeah I also want a tank for x-mas | 18:43 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, and some MIG's too! | 18:43 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: I am afraid all these I have seen yesterday are already moving to kharkiv | 18:44 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: MiGs are in voronezh ;) | 18:45 |
| lisitsyn | go take it | 18:45 |
| lisitsyn | if you need some helicopters - torzhok | 18:47 |
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| @sonney2k | HeikoS, I am now going to package shogun 3.2.0 for debian | 20:51 |
| @sonney2k | thanks to besser82 light-scrubber.sh it becomes automagic and in future very easy :) | 20:51 |
| @HeikoS | nice! | 20:51 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k, besser82 great work! Very important for us since many unis use ubuntu | 20:52 |
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| @HeikoS | sonney2k, wiking I have a request: Would it be possible to let travis generate the rendered ipython notebooks? Otherwise its so hard and annoying to review pull requests with them. | 21:03 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k, wiking it would be great if it generated a temporary link with all of them in a list for checking. This way we can also detect if some of them fail. Thats very hard to do from the diff in the PR itself | 21:04 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS, no idea if travis can keep files? generating stuff yes but this here needs some file upload... | 21:10 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k: yeah upload to a temp dir on our webserver | 21:17 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS, well - that would mean *anyone* could upload there | 21:17 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k: no way around this somehow? | 21:18 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k: ah | 21:18 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k: gist! | 21:18 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k: and then print the links in the output | 21:19 |
| @HeikoS | sonney2k: intro task? | 21:19 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: ^ thoughts on this? | 21:20 |
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| @sonney2k | HeikoS, found a way | 21:23 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS, http://sleepycoders.blogspot.de/2013/03/sharing-travis-ci-generated-files.html | 21:23 |
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| lambday | HeikoS1: there?? | 21:30 |
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| lambday | HeikoS1: I edited the test statistic code! although not too sure! | 21:31 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: hi! | 21:32 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: nice! show me :) | 21:32 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: I am not too sure! this is first edit | 21:32 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: :-/ shall I send a PR?? :-/ | 21:32 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: donty worry! send a PR | 21:32 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: well have to think of a way of testing this, but for now I can just have a look | 21:33 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: few things are really ugly | 21:33 |
| lambday | please bear with these | 21:33 |
| lambday | but I need to understand one thing | 21:33 |
| lambday | for independece test, we only need to permute sample from one distribution and not from the other, right | 21:34 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: pardon my ugly PR | 21:34 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: 180x2 = 360 ml down actually :D | 21:34 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: yes only fro one | 21:35 |
| HeikoS1 | 180x2? :) | 21:35 |
| lambday | yeah two quarters! :D | 21:35 |
| HeikoS1 | ehm what? | 21:36 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: (ssshhh! alcohol :-s) | 21:36 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: please have a look at indepence test statistic | 21:37 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: HSIC::sample_null falls back to this... but the PR is not quite ready I think! | 21:38 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, so you are on shogun planet now :D | 21:38 |
| @sonney2k | http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/planet/shogun | 21:38 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, vodking you too | 21:38 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: yeah :) but why does it ignore the formatting? | 21:39 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: I am vodker | 21:39 |
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| @iglesiasg | HeikoS1, lisitsyn cool interview :) | 21:39 |
| lisitsyn | iglesiasg: haha thanks that's HeikoS1 | 21:39 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: reading | 21:40 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: I don't think its merable yet! but still sent the PR for your comments.... specially for the independence test | 21:41 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: oh I just realised, another intro task is to allow different numbers of points for p and q | 21:42 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: no thats fine, I will just read to get the idea | 21:42 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, there is no formatting in there <span>H</span> | 21:42 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: the questions are boldface on my page | 21:42 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, yeah but you did some weird stuff there | 21:43 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: lisitsyn: sonney2k: can I read it??? :D | 21:43 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, <span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Arial; color: #222222; background-color: #ffffff; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> | 21:43 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: ah, just copy pasted from googledoc | 21:43 |
| @sonney2k | lambday, http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/planet/shogun | 21:43 |
| @sonney2k | lambday, the most funny thing I ever read :D | 21:43 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: yes! right now, its only possible with equal number of samples :-/ | 21:43 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, ahh ok :( | 21:43 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: I need to change a few things then :-/ | 21:43 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, a normal <b> would have worked | 21:43 |
| @sonney2k | or <strong> | 21:44 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: I did this WYSIWYG | 21:45 |
| HeikoS1 | with googledoc | 21:45 |
| HeikoS1 | why the hell is the exporter so bad? | 21:45 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, I submitted my first patch to swig :) | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, github PR heh | 21:46 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: can do this later | 21:46 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: otherwise its too much | 21:46 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: nice! :) | 21:46 |
| HeikoS1 | haha | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, and for swig-R Dr Joe (swig R maintainer) said he will look at the issue :) | 21:46 |
| HeikoS1 | after all those years | 21:47 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: nice | 21:47 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k: I will write the R project soon | 21:47 |
| HeikoS1 | sonney2k:although maybe the meta language guy can do that | 21:47 |
| lisitsyn | sonney2k: so you can participate in gsoc as a student of swig! | 21:48 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, no not allowed by the rules! I cannot be mentor/admin *and* student | 21:49 |
| lisitsyn | really? this sucks | 21:49 |
| @sonney2k | might be a world record attempt | 21:49 |
| @sonney2k | lisitsyn, yeah you cannot be student and mentor... | 21:49 |
| lisitsyn | and select yourself | 21:49 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 21:49 |
| @sonney2k | heh | 21:49 |
| @sonney2k | man | 21:49 |
| @sonney2k | my internet is too slow | 21:50 |
| @sonney2k | uploading new shogun release and updating the tomtom map takes just too long | 21:50 |
| @wiking | hre | 21:50 |
| @wiking | what? | 21:50 |
| @sonney2k | why can't we have BROADband | 21:50 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: yeah better do it later.... | 21:50 |
| @sonney2k | wiking, debian pkg... | 21:50 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: can u repeat taht? as i've just dropped in the internetz in tallin | 21:51 |
| @sonney2k | uploading with 50kb/s | 21:51 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: reading your interview :D | 21:51 |
| @wiking | sonney2k: mmm from where to wherE? | 21:51 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: travis should upload the rendered notebooks to gist and put the link in the output so that its easier to review ipython notebook, can you magic that? | 21:51 |
| @sonney2k | wiking, he wants github to upload travis notebooks | 21:51 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: too slow job... | 21:51 |
| @sonney2k | wiking, so we would need some travis account on sgtb | 21:51 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: i mean travis job has a soft limit of 30 mins | 21:52 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: i reckon having travis compile python modular + compile the notebooks would be too slow | 21:52 |
| @wiking | i.e. over 30 mins | 21:52 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: but wait | 21:52 |
| @sonney2k | already notebooks themself have a timeout of 20 mins IIRC | 21:52 |
| HeikoS1 | running the notebook just takes not so much time | 21:53 |
| * sonney2k remembers increasing it for iglesiasg and hushell | 21:53 | |
| HeikoS1 | and we are compiling python already | 21:53 |
| @sonney2k | HeikoS1, it does | 21:53 |
| @sonney2k | some are *slow* | 21:53 |
| @wiking | ok so 10 min 14 sec | 21:53 |
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| @wiking | this is the python modular job's build time | 21:53 |
| * lambday (without any sense) love you guys! - the interview is just awesome! | 21:53 | |
| @wiking | so that'd mean that we can have around 15-18 mins time for building the notebooks... (to be on a 'safe side') | 21:54 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: so yeah building notebooks is quite time consuming in some of the cases... | 21:55 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: mmh, I dont know | 21:55 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: can we trigger a buildbot to do this? | 21:55 |
| @wiking | sonney2k: is there a way to extend the command timeout on buildbot: "command timed out: 1200 seconds without output, attempting to kill" | 21:56 |
| @wiking | that's for memcheck job | 21:56 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: it's possible of course | 21:56 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: by using github hooks one can setup a bot that build stuff | 21:57 |
| @wiking | after a commit | 21:57 |
| @wiking | or pr | 21:57 |
| @wiking | iglesiasg: seems the fundamental task is quite popular: )) | 21:58 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: indeed :) | 21:58 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: would be *great* to have | 21:58 |
| HeikoS1 | in partoicular for people working on notebooks during gsoc | 21:58 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: mmm yeah i can set that up | 21:58 |
| @wiking | but just after monday | 21:59 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: cool! | 21:59 |
| @wiking | when i finally arrive to my final destination | 21:59 |
| HeikoS1 | yeah its not too urgent, but please do it next :) | 21:59 |
| HeikoS1 | where are you going? | 21:59 |
| @wiking | (currently doing a 2200km roadtrip) | 21:59 |
| HeikoS1 | wow! nice! | 21:59 |
| @wiking | yeah i left serbia to finland | 21:59 |
| HeikoS1 | whereabout? | 21:59 |
| @wiking | i'm in tallinn atm | 21:59 |
| @wiking | sonney2k: i'll b in berlin around 5th of may :) | 21:59 |
| HeikoS1 | ha, so cool! | 21:59 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: yeah it's insanely cold here.... | 22:00 |
| @wiking | i left spring for winter :S | 22:00 |
| @wiking | nevermind... as soon as i'm settled | 22:00 |
| @wiking | i can get that bot to work | 22:00 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: btw as an outcome where do u want to have the generated notebooks? | 22:00 |
| lisitsyn | I am going to have 1000 km airtrip just this morning | 22:01 |
| lisitsyn | :) | 22:01 |
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| @wiking | lisitsyn: moscow? | 22:01 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: yeah | 22:02 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: glhf! | 22:02 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: haha thanks | 22:02 |
| @wiking | and say hi to putin ;) | 22:02 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: if you run them on the buildbot, put them on our webserver maybe | 22:02 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: otherwise, put in gist? | 22:02 |
| @wiking | "Russia approves the deployment of troops in Ukraine, prompting Kiev to put its army on full alert as international leaders express alarm." | 22:03 |
| @wiking | :>>. | 22:03 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: on webserver, keep them for 7 days or so with the option to re-generate | 22:03 |
| @wiking | seems there's heaps of fun approaching :))) | 22:03 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I have no idea where this is going to | 22:03 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I absolutely against anything that would hurt my ability to leave this country :D | 22:03 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: i was tooootally newsless for 3 days now... today i've read this on bbc :D | 22:03 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: :DDDDD | 22:03 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: that's just happening today | 22:03 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: seems putin is on acid again :D | 22:03 |
| @wiking | HeikoS1: webserver is easier... ;) | 22:04 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I tend to think it is a matter of bargain | 22:04 |
| HeikoS1 | wiking: ok then :) | 22:04 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: but if there is going to be a war - he is seriously out of his mind | 22:05 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: lol man i'm on the wrong place atm | 22:06 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: why? | 22:06 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: if russians start rolling i should get the fuck out of finland | 22:06 |
| @wiking | :) | 22:06 |
| lisitsyn | hahah | 22:06 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: yah molotov-ribbentrop | 22:06 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: yeah man this is getting on the not funny side | 22:07 |
| @wiking | :) | 22:07 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: it would be much worse if you were in crimea | 22:07 |
| lisitsyn | much much worse haha | 22:07 |
| @wiking | seems sochi was just a good time to rest | 22:07 |
| @wiking | :) | 22:07 |
| HeikoS1 | ok guys, I will go out now, see you later, have a good evening! :) | 22:08 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: I will change the code according to your comments! :) | 22:14 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: have a good night! | 22:14 |
| lambday | see you guys! | 22:14 |
| lambday | sonney2k: I have the string kernel notebook 20% ready.. will send a PR soon! :0 | 22:15 |
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| kislay | there's a issue #1878 regarding "writing a proper (k)PCA notebook", that i am interested for now. Some ideas other than given there that may facilitate me?.. | 22:28 |
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