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| shogun-buildbot | build #254 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/254 blamelist: tklein23 <tklein23@users.noreply.github.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de> | 01:07 |
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| thoralf | HeikoS1: I've got something for you. | 01:08 |
| thoralf | Have a look on github. | 01:09 |
| thoralf | https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/2159 | 01:09 |
| HeikoS1 | thoralf: wow that sounds nasty | 01:10 |
| HeikoS1 | thoralf: I have to look into it tomorrow, currently doing something else, sorry | 01:10 |
| thoralf | HeikoS1: No worries. Just that you know there's something funny waiting for you. :) | 01:11 |
| HeikoS1 | thoralf: you always dig out interesting stuff! :) | 01:13 |
| thoralf | HeikoS1: Most of the time it happens when I try to be productive... | 01:14 |
| thoralf | ... today I was just trying to fix buildbots memory issues ;) | 01:14 |
| lisitsyn | ha! | 01:15 |
| lisitsyn | I made d-ptrs 3x faster | 01:15 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: thoralf: ^ | 01:16 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 01:16 |
| thoralf | :) | 01:16 |
| lisitsyn | may be we can employ this later in shogun | 01:16 |
| thoralf | lisitsyn: Make it another 2x and we're impressed. ;) | 01:16 |
| lisitsyn | okay basic test is | 01:16 |
| lisitsyn | a class and d-ptr with an int | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | method call just does i++; | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | here's what I got | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | my thing is | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | Average performance: 6316.20049 runs/s | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | and usual d-ptr is | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | Average performance: 2009.62692 runs/s | 01:17 |
| lisitsyn | thoralf: you won't make me give up ;) | 01:18 |
| thoralf | lisitsyn: I didn't even try. ;) | 01:19 |
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| HeikoS1 | thoralf: solved, no need for the PR | 02:35 |
| thoralf | HeikoS1: Hmm? | 02:37 |
| HeikoS1 | see my comment | 02:38 |
| thoralf | You fixed it? | 02:39 |
| thoralf | Ah. | 02:39 |
| thoralf | HeikoS1: I tried what you just did... this will fail. ;) | 02:40 |
| HeikoS1 | thoralf: whats the problem? | 02:41 |
| thoralf | Don't remember. I think it was double-freeing in other classes. | 02:42 |
| thoralf | But we'll see tomorrow. | 02:42 |
| HeikoS1 | but this removes the double ref-increase | 02:43 |
| HeikoS1 | if others fail, then they are doing things wrong. | 02:43 |
| HeikoS1 | haha, might be more of them than classes that do it correctly ;) | 02:44 |
| HeikoS1 | thoralf: did you see the subset stack stuff=? | 02:44 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #678 of nightly_all is complete: Failure [failed compile test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_all/builds/678 blamelist: Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>, Wu Lin <yorker.lin@gmail.com>, tklein23 <tklein23@users.noreply.github.com>, pl8787 <pl8787@gmail.com>, Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>, Heiko Strathmann | 03:16 |
| shogun-buildbot | <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>, liqiang <liqiang036@126.com> | 03:16 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #442 of osx1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed git] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/osx1%20-%20libshogun/builds/442 blamelist: tklein23 <tklein23@users.noreply.github.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de> | 07:41 |
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| andrew__ | hey all | 08:02 |
| andrew__ | I've been MIA for some weeks- extremely busy with school. | 08:03 |
| andrew__ | I would like to move forward ASAP with entrance tasks for GSOC if it isn't too late | 08:03 |
| andrew__ | really it would make things much easier on me if it could be taken on faith that I understand version control/github workflows and will know c++ when the time comes, but I understand the need to assess potential students | 08:07 |
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| andrew__ | What is the status of issue #1889, which I had intended to work on before nikolis stepped in... | 08:24 |
| andrew__ | presumably there is benchmarking and testing to do? | 08:24 |
| andrew__ | anyway in lieu of leveraging the reputation of berkeley cs, the next 24 hours is when I'll have time to be doing entrance tasks so please let me know if anyone has ideas | 08:36 |
| thoralf | andrew__: 24 hours from now? | 08:37 |
| thoralf | This seems very spontaneous... ;) | 08:37 |
| andrew__ | yeah sorry... i've just been swamped and lo and behold the deadline is tomorrow... | 08:39 |
| thoralf | andrew__: Did you already start any entrance task? | 09:10 |
| thoralf | Is there pending an open one or have you already finished one? | 09:11 |
| andrew__ | not really. I decided a few weeks ago to take on #1889 and #1873. | 09:18 |
| andrew__ | Subsequently nikolis has apparently taken over 1889, which was a bit frustrating but so it goes I suppose | 09:19 |
| andrew__ | bedtime for me - I'll check the channel in the morning | 09:20 |
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| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: ! | 14:00 |
| HeikoS1 | lisitsyn: hi! | 14:00 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: we need to push kaggle thing ;) | 14:01 |
| HeikoS1 | lisitsyn: yep I know | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | it seems that we basically stopped once started | 14:02 |
| HeikoS1 | but first the other things that were on my list before :) | 14:02 |
| HeikoS1 | I still think about it | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: yeah sure | 14:02 |
| HeikoS1 | just some delay ;) | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: yeah that's how I work as well | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | I usually do things | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | but sometimes year after :D | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | you are better in this sense | 14:02 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: well anyway lets just be conscious :) | 14:03 |
| HeikoS1 | yeah | 14:03 |
| lisitsyn | I mean kaggle is continuous stuff | 14:03 |
| HeikoS1 | I am excited about this | 14:04 |
| lisitsyn | so if we can't make it | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | want to do it! | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | currently fixing a serious bug in CList | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | reference counting is done wrong | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | and people made workarounds against this | 14:04 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: ok we need shared_ptr to stop this madness :D | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | so now lots of segfaults | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | lisitsyn: write a design draft! | 14:04 |
| HeikoS1 | I would love this to stop | 14:04 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: I am trying to write up my thesis :D | 14:05 |
| lisitsyn | one of the reasons why I am slow | 14:05 |
| HeikoS1 | ah I see | 14:08 |
| HeikoS1 | what is it about? | 14:08 |
| lisitsyn | HeikoS1: well I wanted to make inductive transfer | 14:08 |
| lisitsyn | with dim reduction | 14:08 |
| lisitsyn | just find some latent space of both source and target domains | 14:08 |
| lisitsyn | and transfer a model somehow | 14:08 |
| lisitsyn | I am already late to conduct any serious research on that so probably would be a shitty thing :D | 14:09 |
| HeikoS1 | haha | 14:12 |
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| lambday | HeikoS1: hi! | 14:36 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: I have been trying for a while but I think the matrix ^2 thing can't be done if we can't store the matrix1! | 14:36 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: in that case, if we plan to choose within block direct estimation, we're stuck with blocksize max 100k | 14:38 |
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| HeikoS1 | lambday: yes I think you are right | 14:54 |
| HeikoS1 | ill task to dino about that later today | 14:54 |
| HeikoS1 | but thats fine in fact | 14:54 |
| HeikoS1 | one can just use more blocks | 14:54 |
| lambday | HeikoS1: I think we should give a warning if the blocksize is way too huge and the var estimation method is within block direct estimation one | 14:54 |
| lambday | yes | 14:54 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: yeah good idea, maybe even check for memory allocation errors | 14:55 |
| HeikoS1 | but anything over say 8GB should be warned about :) | 14:55 |
| lambday | okay | 14:55 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday: I am currently trying to fix this bug that thoralf found | 14:56 |
| HeikoS1 | thats very tricky | 14:56 |
| HeikoS1 | touched something and now lots of things fail | 14:56 |
| HeikoS1 | but CList did wrong reference counting | 14:56 |
| HeikoS1 | so we have to do this :( | 14:56 |
| HeikoS1 | anf found some other errors on the fly | 14:57 |
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| lambday_ | HeikoS1: sorry I got dc... | 14:58 |
| lambday_ | HeikoS1: extensive unit-testing has to be done | 14:58 |
| lambday_ | HeikoS1: please create issues for unit-testing then we can also help | 14:59 |
| HeikoS1 | lambday_: yeah | 14:59 |
| HeikoS1 | Yeah I will do once I understand whats going on | 14:59 |
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| darshanime | hello guys. | 18:01 |
| darshanime | i am new here. | 18:01 |
| darshanime | i am learning Machine Learning | 18:02 |
| darshanime | I just wanted to know, when can I be ready to contribute ? | 18:03 |
| darshanime | how do I know when i can do things ? | 18:03 |
| darshanime | also what is the first step if I wish to do so? | 18:03 |
| darshanime | should I fork the source code and try to decipher it from head to toe | 18:03 |
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| pl8787_ | darshanime: you may use shogun lib first . | 18:33 |
| darshanime | study that lib ? | 18:33 |
| pl8787_ | darshanime: just use the ML model in it | 18:34 |
| darshanime | okayy. | 18:34 |
| pl8787_ | such as svm or gp | 18:34 |
| darshanime | right. then ? | 18:34 |
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| pl8787_ | If you want to make contribution on shogun, build the source code and add some code in it. | 18:35 |
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| darshanime | okay. | 18:36 |
| darshanime | also suggest some IRC client | 18:36 |
| pl8787_ | I think write some document is always a start for a newer. | 18:37 |
| pl8787_ | I use web page. | 18:37 |
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| lambday | HeikoS: by today I am trying to take care of the sum methods... is it okay it I take a look at this when I work on streaming MMD issue? | 20:01 |
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| @lisitsyn | HeikoS: hey | 20:24 |
| @lisitsyn | I'll let you know if I die/lose connection/anything else ;) | 20:24 |
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| lambday | lisitsyn: you kicked yourself out? | 20:32 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: yeah | 20:32 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: that's.... something :D | 20:32 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: kicked *other me * out | 20:32 |
| @lisitsyn | :) | 20:32 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: multiple "me".. parallel universe :D | 20:32 |
| lambday | multithreaded universe :-/ | 20:32 |
| @lisitsyn | well forgot to turn off irc at job | 20:33 |
| lambday | :D | 20:33 |
| @lisitsyn | I am lazy to set up any kind of remote desktop | 20:34 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: while working on blog post as you ordered | 20:35 |
| @lisitsyn | I came with something else | 20:35 |
| @lisitsyn | :D | 20:35 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: not ordered, my lord! humbly requested :D | 20:35 |
| @lisitsyn | hahah | 20:35 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: sounds intriguing :D | 20:36 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: okay imagine d pointer | 20:36 |
| lambday | imagined! | 20:36 |
| @lisitsyn | but allocated in some buffer | 20:36 |
| @lisitsyn | so it is embedded to the class | 20:36 |
| @lisitsyn | buffer is not in heap but exactly in the class | 20:36 |
| lambday | okay | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | like char storage[10] | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: guess the speedup ;) | 20:37 |
| lambday | but limitations? | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: yes | 20:37 |
| lambday | I mean, you're planning to do it on stack? | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | you provide exact size | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | no | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | main limitation - you provide exact size in declaration | 20:37 |
| @lisitsyn | so if you add new member and your 'implementation' class doesn't fit there anymore | 20:38 |
| lambday | mmmh | 20:38 |
| @lisitsyn | you are doomed to alter declaration | 20:38 |
| @lisitsyn | it is not on stack but 'inside' of the class | 20:38 |
| @lisitsyn | where we provide d-ptr | 20:38 |
| lambday | oh got it! | 20:38 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: on some simple benchmark it was 3x faster | 20:39 |
| @lisitsyn | the benchmark is counter | 20:39 |
| @lisitsyn | each method call increases it | 20:39 |
| lambday | counter of what? | 20:40 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: well just int | 20:40 |
| @lisitsyn | we put an int to 'implementation' | 20:40 |
| @lisitsyn | and increase it | 20:40 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: nono I mean it counts what? | 20:41 |
| @lisitsyn | nah nothing | 20:41 |
| @lisitsyn | just increases it :D | 20:41 |
| lambday | oh you mean number of times a method is called in some fixed duration? | 20:41 |
| @lisitsyn | yeah | 20:41 |
| @lisitsyn | it is called a lot of times | 20:41 |
| lambday | alrighty | 20:41 |
| @lisitsyn | so we have some estimate | 20:41 |
| @lisitsyn | how fast it is | 20:41 |
| lambday | yeah! | 20:41 |
| lambday | classico! | 20:42 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: basically it is 50ns vs 12ns | 20:42 |
| @lisitsyn | per call | 20:42 |
| lambday | whoa! | 20:42 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: that's a matter of being cache-friendly | 20:43 |
| lambday | yep... | 20:43 |
| lambday | I had no idea that it fasten things up to this large factor! | 20:43 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: let me find you another example | 20:44 |
| @lisitsyn | you'd like it | 20:44 |
| lambday | alright | 20:44 |
| @lisitsyn | just a sec | 20:44 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/data-locality.html | 20:46 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: checking.. | 20:47 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: it is pretty big so if tl;dr I can tell you about some speedup he mentioned there | 20:47 |
| lambday | hmm... yeah I get the idea! but didn't think that the different can be this big! | 20:50 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: yeah so basically he made things that he iterate anyway local | 20:51 |
| @lisitsyn | caching again | 20:51 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: I am working on something - this encourages me to check/try out something here as well! | 20:52 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: yeah do that. Currently every<thing works | 20:56 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: okie I need a hour to finish my post on these revisited d-ptrs ;) | 20:56 |
| lambday | HeikoS: alrighty! hope to send PR for this sum thing by tonight! | 20:57 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: yeah! please let us know when you finish! | 20:57 |
| @lisitsyn | sure | 20:57 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: nice! | 20:57 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: I am trying to check on some benchmark with some cache-friendly implementation for my task as well :D | 20:58 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: you can actually measure cache misses | 20:58 |
| lambday | really! | 20:58 |
| sunil1337 | lambday: http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse326/05wi/valgrind-doc/cg_main.html had worked on it this semester :) | 21:10 |
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| lambday | sunil1337: wow this sounds interesting :D let me try this out on my code :D | 21:12 |
| sunil1337 | lambday: you'll be amazed! :) | 21:14 |
| andrew__ | is it too late to do gsoc entrance tasks? I realize the deadline is in a few hours | 21:27 |
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| thoralf | Hey! | 21:27 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: good proper design going on there! | 21:28 |
| lambday | HeikoS: in the dot product interface you mean? | 21:29 |
| @HeikoS | lambday: that too but meant the kernel sums | 21:29 |
| lambday | HeikoS: yeah I was trying to manage everything using one vec but now trying out different things | 21:29 |
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| andrew__ | hey thoralf, so... | 21:32 |
| thoralf | Hey. | 21:33 |
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| andrew__ | so I'm looking at the current state of #1889 | 21:39 |
| andrew__ | it looks this never get merged, and is missing benchmarks? | 21:39 |
| andrew__ | but hey if it's too late, that's ok | 21:44 |
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| @lisitsyn | lambday: still here? | 22:40 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: yeah! | 22:41 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: http://sergey.lisitsyn.me/2014/04/18/opaque-pointers-revisited/ | 22:42 |
| lambday | lisitsyn: checking :D | 22:43 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: pl8787 :develop * af9bfb7 / tests/unit/kernel/CustomKernel_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/af9bfb74ee90315a7fdc0e631b5a395132c0f85d | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Fix CustomKernel-unittest bug. | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: pl8787 :develop * 3227d9e / src/shogun/kernel/Kernel.cpp: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/3227d9e3515150ca2a426383587aec50833cd486 | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Fixed Kernel.cpp Warning. | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 1cbe21a / src/shogun/kernel/Kernel.cpp,tests/unit/kernel/CustomKernel_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/1cbe21a94bc554cc9e61ef16427e66c6083d123f | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Merge pull request #2164 from pl8787/indexfeatures | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Fix CustomKernel-unittest bug. | 22:43 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * ff25e97 / examples/undocumented/libshogun/variational_approx_example.cpp: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/ff25e97c838f96a69f73524596e77af0e4e40b72 | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: fixed the file path issue | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * d5c943f / / (31 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/d5c943fa282148bf05cca3e3a45f3ad265a70570 | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/develop' into develop | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * 3f10d2e / examples/undocumented/libshogun/CMakeLists.txt: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/3f10d2e5e784212dedebe2b3ce4345bbe3d120f0 | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: update the upstream | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * 98e5ba6 / examples/ (3 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/98e5ba656e64a19788433cdbd94fd239a4481618 | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: add the description | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 7c74f4a / examples/ (4 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/7c74f4ac0245e190129e922463c3c492190ea3b6 | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Merge pull request #2161 from yorkerlin/develop | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: | 22:44 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: fixed the file path issue for the variational example | 22:44 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday: I wanted to finish it faster so if you notice anything wrong let me know ;) | 22:45 |
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| lambday_ | lisitsyn: absolutely... reading :) | 22:46 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #2216 of bsd1 - libshogun is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/bsd1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2216 | 22:51 |
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| lambday_ | lisitsyn: this is great post man!! | 22:53 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: cool thanks | 22:53 |
| lambday_ | yeah really liked it... | 22:53 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: I mostly care about the idea :D | 22:53 |
| @lisitsyn | want to find a way to make it more usable | 22:53 |
| lambday_ | by great I meant that mostly :D | 22:53 |
| @lisitsyn | as efficiency is cool | 22:53 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: mumbai! :D | 22:58 |
| @lisitsyn | google analytics | 22:58 |
| lambday_ | lisitsyn: huh? | 22:58 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: probably detected you | 22:58 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: well I have google analytics attached to the website ;) | 22:59 |
| lambday_ | hehehehe :D | 22:59 |
| lambday_ | you'll have quite regular visits now | 22:59 |
| lambday_ | I've been following you ;) | 22:59 |
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| lambday_ | lisitsyn: there? | 23:41 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: yes | 23:55 |
| lambday_ | lisitsyn: this code causes memory leak on my machine | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | any clue? | 23:56 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: which code? | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | int main() | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | { | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | #pragma omp parallel | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | { | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | } | 23:56 |
| lambday_ | return 0; | 23:57 |
| lambday_ | } | 23:57 |
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| lambday_ | lisitsyn: this ^ | 23:57 |
| @lisitsyn | ahh | 23:57 |
| @lisitsyn | that's ok | 23:57 |
| @lisitsyn | don't care about that | 23:57 |
| lambday_ | lisitsyn: why not? | 23:57 |
| lambday_ | 1,008 bytes in 3 blocks are possibly lost in loss record 3 of 4 ==26711== at 0x4A081D4: calloc (in /usr/lib64/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so) ==26711== by 0x3049811C44: _dl_allocate_tls (dl-tls.c:296) ==26711== by 0x304A408862: pthread_create@@GLIBC_2.2.5 (allocatestack.c:580) ==26711== by 0x3BFAE08DD5: ??? (in /usr/lib64/libgomp.so.1.0.0) ==26711== by 0x4008B7: main (opemnp_test.cpp:79) | 23:57 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: that's openmp thing | 23:57 |
| @lisitsyn | basically false alarm | 23:58 |
| lambday_ | weird! | 23:58 |
| @lisitsyn | it is known issue | 23:58 |
| @lisitsyn | lambday_: it allocates some pool | 23:58 |
| @lisitsyn | which is being freed much much later | 23:58 |
| @lisitsyn | shared across apps or so | 23:58 |
| lambday_ | not cool man! | 23:58 |
| @lisitsyn | nah that's ok | 23:58 |
| @lisitsyn | don't bother ;) | 23:59 |
| lambday_ | okies | 23:59 |
| lambday_ | lisitsyn: thanks :D | 23:59 |
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