IRC logs of #shogun for Monday, 2014-10-27

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travis-ciit's Fernando Iglesias's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/3909957601:05
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shogun-buildbotbuild #451 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/451  blamelist: Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>01:08
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travis-ciit's Fernando Iglesias's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/3909973301:13
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travis-ciit's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/3910648601:42
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shogun-buildbotbuild #519 of clang34 - undefined behaviour analysis is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/clang34%20-%20undefined%20behaviour%20analysis/builds/519  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>01:44
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travis-ciit's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/3910805702:34
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shogun-buildbotbuild #452 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/452  blamelist: lambday <heavensdevil6909@gmail.com>, Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>04:05
@thoralfHello.04:05
@wikingyo04:24
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shogun-buildbotbuild #909 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed notebooks]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/909  blamelist: lambday <heavensdevil6909@gmail.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>, tklein23 <tklein23@users.noreply.github.com>, Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>, Heiko Strathmann05:14
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@HeikoSwiking: hi07:24
@HeikoSwiking: we fixed all warnings and cleaned up swig quite a bi07:24
@HeikoSt07:24
@HeikoSwiking: binary package has highest priority for release07:25
@HeikoSwiking: you mentioned some mac problems also?07:25
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@wikingHeikoS: some? :)07:29
@wikinglol there's a lot of problems07:29
@wikingactually i dont know how about u guys07:29
@wikingbut if u start using swig3.x07:29
@wikingnone of the modular interfaces work07:29
@HeikoSwiking: I know that07:30
@HeikoSwiking: but its fine for this release07:30
@wikingso that's a big problem as well07:30
@HeikoSthis one is gsoc07:30
@wikingno it's not fine07:30
@wikinghttp://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/osx2%20-%20modular_interfaces07:30
@wikingit's comppletely broken07:30
@HeikoSwe need to release asap07:30
@HeikoSmmh07:30
@HeikoSsince when?07:30
@wikingwhy do we need to release right away07:30
@wikingHeikoS: since forever07:30
@HeikoSwiking: to get gsoc momentum going07:30
@wikingwell we have gsoc momentum going07:31
@wikingwe are just fixing a tons of shit07:31
@HeikoSwiking: now is a good time, then we can feature freeze and do a bugfix release after07:31
@wikinghttps://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/milestones/SHOGUN%203.2.107:31
@HeikoSwiking: I know all that07:31
@HeikoSwiking: but a gsoc release would be good07:31
@wikingso yeah07:31
@wikinglet's fix that07:31
@HeikoSok07:31
@wikingor at least 50% of that07:31
@HeikoSwiking: yeah I agree07:32
@wikingand yeah i'm working on the packing07:32
@HeikoSwiking: ok great07:32
@wikingbut it's not like an easy shit07:32
@wikingwe have a big problem with csv reader07:32
@HeikoSwiking: so once thats done, and all warnings are gone, and release texts etc are written, we can see how other things went in that time07:32
@wikingit has a hardcoded limitation about 16 megs07:32
iglesiasgdamn readers07:32
@wikingwhich is totally stupid07:32
@HeikoSwiking: csv reader is crap07:32
@HeikoSwiking: should be deleted07:32
@wikingno it's not crap07:32
@wikingit just needs a little love07:32
@HeikoShaha fernando is laughing07:32
@HeikoSwiking: I agree on that07:33
@HeikoSwiking: but I think this is not important for this release07:33
@HeikoSwiking: as we have tons of new things already07:33
@wikinghow is it not important07:33
@wikingthat u cannot use shogun for anything07:33
@wikingother than stupid toy datasets? :)07:33
@wikingi mean that fix is really minimal07:33
@HeikoSwiking: mmmh you got a point ;)07:33
@HeikoSok good to know07:33
@HeikoSwhat are the most severe things in your eyes?07:34
@wikingwell all the osx problems07:34
@HeikoSi vote for: binary package, all warnings green, osx build07:34
@wikingswig 3.x gets everything broken07:34
@HeikoSwiking: but swig 3.0 I dont know07:34
@wikingand those minor things like csv reader07:34
@HeikoScant we do this later?07:34
@wikingHeikoS: should be any eays fix07:34
@wikingHeikoS: thing is that it's a segfault07:35
@wikingso it just needs gdb love07:35
@HeikoSwiking: ah ok07:35
@wikingi'll waste a day on it07:35
@wikingand see if that helps07:35
@wikingif not then of course postpone07:35
@HeikoSwiking: btw offtopic07:35
@HeikoSwiking: matlab is written in java07:35
@HeikoSwiking: and shogun supports java07:35
@wikingi'm just trying to fucking get this packages out07:35
@wikingHeikoS: isn't just the GUI written in java?07:35
@HeikoSwiking: so there might be a way07:35
@HeikoSwiking: no one can natively execute java code07:35
@wikingHeikoS: afaik it's only the gui that's java07:36
@wikingbut if any of you have matlab installed07:36
@wikingu can check out the dependency of the file ;P07:36
iglesiasgI do, can check07:36
@HeikoSwiking: yeah, we talked a bit aobut this here, its not important for now07:37
@wikingbut since matlab has non gui console shit07:37
iglesiasgI know that when you run matlab on command line you can choose to do it w/o jvm07:37
@wikingyeah07:37
@wikingso i reckon matlab is none java07:37
@wikingonly the gui is java07:37
iglesiasgyep07:37
iglesiasganyway07:37
@wikingfuck matlab07:37
@HeikoSwiking: haha07:37
@HeikoS+1007:37
iglesiasgthe idea would still work as long as one can call java code from matlab07:37
iglesiasgxD07:37
@HeikoSwiking: but anyway07:37
@wikingi mean i've read some googler saying that the next big thing if u wanna have a job landed at googs is matlab07:38
@wikingi was rotfl for like 10 minutes07:38
iglesiasglol07:38
@wikingwho's that idiot that still uses that shit07:38
iglesiasgcan't be true07:38
@wikingi mean no offence07:38
@HeikoSwiking: any problems with the package?07:38
iglesiasgI am using matlab all the time for job :(07:38
@wikingbut matlab is a piece of shit07:38
@wikingiglesiasg: yeah my condolances :)07:38
@wikingi reckon it's because of your profs who are living in the dark ages :D07:38
iglesiasgtogether with all the department... (sigh)07:38
@wikingHeikoS: huh07:39
iglesiasgwiking: this is a company, man07:39
@wikingHeikoS: dont even ask07:39
@wikingiglesiasg: woah fuuuuuuck07:39
@wikingthat's heavy07:39
@wiking:)07:39
iglesiasgwiking: but anyway, never mind :D07:39
iglesiasglet's focus on release!07:39
@wikingmaybe u should show them ipython one day07:39
@wikingto get blown away07:39
@wiking:P07:39
iglesiasghaha yeah07:39
@wikinganyhow07:39
@wikingyeah packages07:39
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@wikingi have something going07:39
@wikingbut still needs some love07:39
@wikingbut once i have it07:40
@wikingwe'll have LTS packages rolling into our own ppa07:40
@wikingdunno if there's something similar for RPM (centos, suse, redhat-alike system)07:40
lambdayHeikoS: iglesiasg: hey do yoou think we should get rid of SGVector dot as well? we have now linalg dot..07:40
@wikingbut if there is i'll have the rpms as well07:40
lambdaywiking: ^07:40
@wikinglambday: awesomeness07:41
iglesiasglambday: if would make sense, did you see this PR where randperm is out?07:41
@wikinganybody knows suse/centos/redhat/fedora?07:41
lambdaywiking: yeah I just thought of this seeing that PR only07:41
@wikinghttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/6766/is-there-is-a-ppa-service-equivalent-in-the-fedora-world07:41
iglesiasglambday: I am writing an issue about it. The idea is that future wannabe-gsocers will do this sort of cleanup07:41
lambdayiglesiasg: alright... that make sense07:42
@wikinghttps://repos.fedorapeople.org/07:42
@wikingsomebody should register07:42
@HeikoSlambday: yeah we should, but later07:44
@HeikoSlambday, iglesiasg *all* methods should be remove from SGVector etc eventually07:45
@HeikoSthese datatype should just be there for mapping data in interfaces07:45
@HeikoSwe should try to make them as lightweight as possible07:45
lambdayHeikoS: okay... maybe we should provide a native implementation of dot... so that things technically work even without any third party linalg backend..07:45
@HeikoSlambday: we should, but not as a method of SGVector07:45
lambdayI'll look into that  -07:45
lambdayyes inside the same interface only07:45
@HeikoSlambday: but we should focus on the release for now07:46
@HeikoSlambday: so maybe pause the things you were doing for a bit?07:46
@HeikoSlambday: we can need help07:46
@HeikoSlambday: see for example the points wiking raised07:46
@HeikoSabout swig307:46
@thoralfHeikoS: Let me do some quick refactorings of the serialization framework first07:46
@HeikoSthoralf: are you sure thats a good point in time now?07:46
@wikingehhehe yeah why not07:47
@thoralf:D07:47
@HeikoSthoralf: I already have a little feature branch that removed migration btw07:47
@wikingserialization fw sucks :D07:47
lambdayHeikoS: checking07:47
@HeikoSthoralf: but it broke all python modular serialisation integration tests07:47
@thoralflol07:47
@thoralfBad boy.07:47
@HeikoSthoralf: so cannot merge it now07:47
@HeikoSthoralf: and dont want to touch all these things07:47
@HeikoSthoralf: but we should really focus on release and do all the internal cleanups afterwards07:47
@HeikoSwiking: thats why I wanna get it out asap - so that we start working on fixes without having to worry about release07:48
@HeikoSlambday: just pick any of the issues and fix them, its probably good  to tell us what youre on to make sure everything is synched07:48
@thoralfHeikoS: On did't plan touching things if not needed.  No worries.07:48
lambdayHeikoS: okay are there github issues on this?07:49
@HeikoSlambday: check out the last two milestones07:50
@HeikoSlots of lots of issues07:50
@HeikoSlambday: for example lots of warnings in the modular interfaces07:50
@thoralfHeikoS: Serious suggestion as entrance task: Write unit tests for typemaps.07:50
lambdayHeikoS: alrighty..07:50
@HeikoSthoralf: +1 :) write a github issue!07:50
@HeikoSlambday: the length of unit tests is also a good fix for release07:53
@HeikoSlambday: but swig3 would be best, just like wiking said07:54
lambdayHeikoS: I see an issue on swig3 but it's quite old.. https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/231307:56
@HeikoSwiking: ^07:56
lambdayHeikoS: oh we need a readme for linalg... this is surely new feature for this release07:56
lambdayI'll do that07:56
@wikingyeah that is broken07:57
@wikingbut as u can see for some peeps it's working07:57
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * f80443b / NEWS: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/f80443b4c3741982e13e99ecbc8f7bd2fb34afdb07:58
shogun-notifier-shogun: added list of GSoC projects to NEWS07:58
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 67f625b / NEWS: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/67f625b3e32be3c88fbfb260cdc07df9c5aa4b6c07:58
shogun-notifier-shogun: mention new project description07:58
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * ae9311c / NEWS: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/ae9311cc4d6cf895f3caec475c330383b16522c607:58
shogun-notifier-shogun: mention swig cleanup07:59
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 752233b / NEWS: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/752233b3d585f8bfd322c917aa7340f98c50282107:59
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #2583 from karlnapf/develop07:59
shogun-notifier-shogun:07:59
shogun-notifier-shogun: put GSoC into NEWS07:59
iglesiasggood night guys08:00
iglesiasgI am dead, out of service08:00
@wikinggnite08:00
@thoralfiglesiasg: You can sleep tomorrow.08:00
@thoralf:D08:00
lambdaynight!08:00
@HeikoSwiking: could you instruct lambday a bit on the swig3 thing?08:00
@HeikoSlambday:  https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/231308:01
@HeikoSmmh08:01
@HeikoSthats the one you sent08:01
lambdayI'm reading the logs...08:01
lambdayhmm.. time to get swigging.. never been much of a swigger :D08:03
@HeikoSlambday:08:04
@HeikoSlambday: in fact, for you, the most important thing would be to have a notebook08:04
@HeikoSlambday: do you think thats feasible soon?08:05
@HeikoSlambday: should we maybe discuss a bit=?08:05
@HeikoSlambday: just realised as reading the bits and pieces issue08:05
lambdayHeikoS: well.. yeah I guess.. when's the release?08:05
lambday31st Oct?08:06
lambday30th08:06
@HeikoSlast week08:06
@HeikoS;)08:06
@HeikoSlambday: really soon, as soon as things are done08:06
@HeikoSlambday: let me know if you need help with the notebook08:07
@HeikoSlambday: I remember you had this classification thing?08:07
@HeikoSlambday: where you could throw away all the data without loosing accuracy?08:07
lambdayHeikoS: yeah I was trying out that example..08:08
@HeikoSlambday: if that works, thats already good. I mean we can and should improve later, but thats already a coherent story08:08
@HeikoSlambday: if you send me something to review before Wednesday, I can do it super quickly08:08
lambdayHeikoS: okay let me try that.. ideally I didn't want to do it in a hurry but maybe it's for the best for the release08:09
@HeikoSlambday: dont try to write the full thing maybe?08:09
lambdayshould have done it within gsoc only though08:09
@HeikoSlambday: but just a but that has basics and can be extended?08:09
lambdayHeikoS: yeah I already started on it - so have some text ready08:09
@HeikoSlambday: dont worry you did some other great things08:09
@HeikoSlambday: cool, so dont try to overdo it. for now, short and round is enough08:10
lambdayHeikoS: okay by wed I'll try to give you something08:10
@HeikoSlambday: awesome!08:10
@HeikoSlambday: once release is done, we can really focus on all the other cool stuff08:10
@HeikoSlambday: checked out your flash things a bit more today08:10
@HeikoSlambday: excited to talk about that then08:10
lambdayHeikoS: yep.. there are lots :D08:11
@HeikoSlambday: ok going to bed too08:11
@HeikoSgood night everyone08:11
lambdayHeikoS: gnight man08:12
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shogun-buildbotbuild #859 of precise - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/859  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>08:16
shogun-buildbotbuild #886 of FCRH - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/FCRH%20-%20libshogun/builds/886  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>08:17
shogun-buildbotbuild #860 of precise - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/860  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>08:18
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@thoralfWoha.  The library contains 1400 shogun classes.08:23
@thoralfAnd for shogun::Parameter it contains 236 methods (with all the specializations).08:26
@thoralfWe've got a new hitlist to see where the bloat comes from: nm -gC libshogun.so |grep " T shogun::" |cut -d' ' -f3- |cut -d: -f3 |sort |uniq -c |sort -n |tail -n2008:27
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Thoralf Klein :develop * 4cbaee8 / src/shogun/io/streaming/StreamingFile.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/4cbaee83e58e5dd406e278b5d5cd50133723003314:24
shogun-notifier-shogun: Remove VwExample dependency from StreamingFile (use forward declaration)14:24
shogun-notifier-shogun: Fernando Iglesias :develop * f0affbb / src/shogun/io/streaming/StreamingFile.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/f0affbb7f27d53717faf2a025613d24c8e354ed614:24
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #2585 from tklein23/streamingfile_without_vwexample14:24
shogun-notifier-shogun:14:24
shogun-notifier-shogun: Remove VwExample dependency from StreamingFile (use forward declaration)14:24
shogun-buildbotbuild #454 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/454  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>14:26
shogun-notifier-shogun: Fernando Iglesias :develop * efeec01 / NEWS: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/efeec010335dfd0e57c1a93f3023a2de6129ee0c14:30
shogun-notifier-shogun: Spell out fundamental ML in Parijat's project in the news file.14:30
shogun-buildbotbuild #861 of precise - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/861  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>14:32
@wikingheheh u guys woke up in sf? :)14:33
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travis-ciit's Fernando Iglesias's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/3915031814:34
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shogun-buildbotbuild #591 of osx1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed shell]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/osx1%20-%20libshogun/builds/591  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>, Thoralf Klein <thoralf@fischlustig.de>14:42
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shogun-buildbotbuild #889 of FCRH - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/FCRH%20-%20libshogun/builds/889  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>15:30
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shogun-buildbotbuild #456 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/456  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>20:29
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