IRC logs of #shogun for Monday, 2014-11-03

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shogun-buildbotbuild #916 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed notebooks]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/916  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>05:41
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@wikinghttp://vimeo.com/10962429715:11
@wiking\o/15:11
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Fernando Iglesias :develop * 44a67e5 / doc/OpenCV_docs/OpenCV_NN_vs_Shogun_NN.md: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/44a67e5026f2ec161ebb92aebc7c47c72243d50d15:44
shogun-notifier-shogun: Update OpenCV_NN_vs_Shogun_NN.md15:44
shogun-buildbotbuild #874 of precise - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/874  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>15:49
shogun-buildbotbuild #901 of FCRH - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/FCRH%20-%20libshogun/builds/901  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>15:53
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travis-ciit's Fernando Iglesias's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: http://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/3983868015:55
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@wikingHeikoS: http://vimeo.com/10962429715:58
shogun-buildbotbuild #100 of osx2 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed csharp modular]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/osx2%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/100  blamelist: Fernando Iglesias <fernando.iglesiasg@gmail.com>15:59
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@HeikoSwiking: hahah thats hilarious!18:02
@lisitsynHeikoS: heya18:11
@lisitsynHeikoS: back to the uk?18:11
@lisitsynwiking: I recognize some sightings there :D18:14
@HeikoSlisitsyn: hey18:35
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yes I am18:35
@HeikoSwhat do you recognize? :D18:35
@lisitsynHeikoS: uhhm some things18:35
@lisitsynthat's berlin as I can see :D18:35
@lisitsynI do not remember any street names :D18:36
@lisitsynHeikoS: so how it was?18:37
@lisitsynyour california trip :)18:37
@HeikoSlisitsyn: berlin?18:39
@HeikoSlisitsyn: the california trip was just amazing!18:39
@lisitsynHeikoS: yeah I am pretty sure some places are18:40
@HeikoSlisitsyn: really liked SF this time, as we had some time to explore18:40
@HeikoSI dont get this berlin thing18:40
@lisitsynHeikoS: 2:0618:41
@lisitsynuhhm vimeo doesn't let me get a link with time18:41
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@HeikoSlisitsyn: ah I see18:46
@HeikoSyes18:46
@HeikoSof course18:46
@HeikoSsorry18:47
@lisitsyn:D18:47
@lisitsynnp18:47
@HeikoSlisitsyn: you should be at the summit next year18:47
@HeikoSlisitsyn: was really cool18:47
@HeikoSlisitsyn: lots of good ideas emerged between the 3 of us18:47
@lisitsynHeikoS: uhhmm we can try18:47
@lisitsynI'd like to settle down for a few years I think so that must be possible18:47
@HeikoSlisitsyn: where do you want to settle?18:48
@lisitsynHeikoS: well current place moscow18:48
@lisitsynhowever it looks like london would be cool :D18:48
@HeikoSlisitsyn: it is amazing here!18:49
@HeikoSbit stressful maybe ;)18:49
@lisitsynHeikoS: like big city? ;)18:49
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yes18:50
@HeikoSrent, lifestyle etc18:50
@lisitsynHeikoS: then moscow is bigger :D18:50
@lisitsynyeah that's the thing I am really used to18:50
@lisitsynI like big cities18:50
@HeikoSlisitsyn: russians seem to be tougher than me anyways, so youll probably be fine :D18:50
@lisitsynHeikoS: haha18:51
@lisitsynHeikoS: moscow's cost of living and salaries are like x2 comparing to other places here18:51
@HeikoSlisitsyn: similar here18:51
@lisitsynso yeah I am used to that :D18:51
@HeikoSlisitsyn: hows the release going btw?18:52
@lisitsynHeikoS: zero help from me for some reason but I can help today/tomorrow18:52
@HeikoSfor soe reason? haha :)18:52
@lisitsynyeah I was in 24/7 work mode18:52
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah would be good to push this out soon18:52
@lisitsyntrying to beat criteo18:52
@lisitsyn:D18:52
@lisitsynHeikoS: I think lately I've been working like 1.5x of what I am supposed to do18:53
@lisitsynhopefully this going to slow down18:54
@HeikoSlisitsyn: ug really18:54
@HeikoSlisitsyn: tough18:54
@HeikoSlisitsyn: usual state of mind here ;)18:54
@lisitsynHeikoS: I am enjoying that actually18:54
@lisitsynbut the thing is this way I won't be promoting shogun and myself :D18:55
@lisitsynHeikoS: ah! btw18:55
@lisitsynI was writing a blog post about some thing - let me explain and maybe you could tell me whether it is useful18:55
@lisitsynjust imagine you have a function f1(...) that takes some arguments18:56
@lisitsynand you wanna refactor it18:56
@lisitsynyou call the new function f2(...) with the same declaration18:56
@lisitsynI have an idea how to do:18:56
@lisitsyncompare(f1,f2);18:56
@HeikoScompare?18:57
@HeikoSwhat do you mean?18:57
@lisitsynit runs various combinations of arguments and tells you whether the behaviour changed18:57
@HeikoShaha18:57
@lisitsyn:D18:57
@HeikoSlisitsyn: you know what that problem is called?18:57
@lisitsynnope18:57
@HeikoSlisitsyn: one can proof that no computer can ever solve this problem18:58
@lisitsynI'd be deeply offended if you say unit tests18:58
@lisitsyn:D18:58
@lisitsynahh18:58
@lisitsynno18:58
@HeikoSits non computable18:58
@lisitsynI know about it18:58
@HeikoSno but yeah18:58
@HeikoSI get it18:58
@HeikoSfor a fixed set of parameters, compare18:58
@lisitsynyeah18:58
@lisitsynnull, 0, positive18:58
@lisitsynnegative18:58
@lisitsynetc18:58
@HeikoSwell unit tests right?18:58
@lisitsynjust for error checks18:58
@lisitsynno18:58
@HeikoSbut=18:58
@lisitsynyou won't write unit tests18:58
@HeikoS?18:58
@lisitsynfor that :D18:58
@HeikoSso what else?18:59
@lisitsynI mean it is too detailed to be handled in unit tests18:59
@lisitsynyou just want to know whether it acts the same way yet18:59
@HeikoSI see18:59
@HeikoSmmmh18:59
@lisitsynHeikoS: so the question is whether you can imagine that useful18:59
@HeikoSI think that might be useful, and I see that its somehow less strong (and work) than a unit test19:00
@lisitsynit comes from my head so I do find it useful but I can be really really wrong :D19:00
@HeikoSlisitsyn: but I am not sure thats what one *should* do19:00
@lisitsynyeah absolutely19:00
@lisitsynone use case I can think of19:00
@HeikoSlisitsyn: rather write a test and be explicit19:00
@lisitsynis legacy stuff19:00
@lisitsynI mean you get code from john langford19:00
@lisitsynand you microtest your new functions19:00
@lisitsynbecause it is written with a mix of strcmp and classes :D19:01
@lisitsynyou want it to be less verbose etc19:01
@lisitsynokay I'll explain it then and may be someone would find it useful19:01
@HeikoSlisitsyn: I see19:02
@lisitsynHeikoS: I've been working with VW lately btw19:02
@lisitsynit's a trap! :D19:02
@HeikoSlisitsyn: cool19:02
@HeikoSlisitsyn: I will talk to john langford on thursday on skype19:02
@HeikoSlisitsyn: about gsoc project jointly19:02
@HeikoSlisitsyn: wanna be involved?19:02
@lisitsynHeikoS: hmm not sure19:03
@lisitsynI am not aware of your agenda :)19:03
@lisitsynHeikoS: is he interested?19:03
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeh he is19:04
@lisitsynproject like update vw?19:04
@lisitsynHeikoS: I actually think we'd rather integrate it with minimal changes19:04
@lisitsynI mean now we have a bunch of new classes19:05
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah exactly19:05
@HeikoSintegration19:05
@HeikoSof the latest vw features19:05
@lisitsynlike structural?19:05
@lisitsynlda etc?19:05
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah dont know19:05
@HeikoSI dont know vw that well19:05
@lisitsynHeikoS: I see19:05
@HeikoSlisitsyn: but the idea would be to expose features in both directions19:05
@HeikoSalso that vw can use shoguns classifier for its reductions19:06
@lisitsynHeikoS: hmm really? is john interested in that?19:06
@lisitsynthat sounds unusual for vw-way but I can get it wrong19:06
@HeikoSdont know19:08
@HeikoShe said19:08
@HeikoSwe will just talk19:08
@HeikoSwanna join?19:08
@lisitsynHeikoS: ok let me know when19:09
@lisitsynHeikoS: if I can't make it could you please just let me know what you discussed?19:10
@lisitsynI can help with that somehow I guess19:10
@HeikoSits thursday 2pm London time19:10
@HeikoSlisitsyn: cool!19:10
@HeikoSok I gotta go now19:10
@lisitsynok cool19:10
@lisitsynI'll check if I can leave for a chat19:11
@lisitsynsee you19:11
@HeikoSThursday 10am eastern time?19:11
@lisitsynI am not getting that :D19:11
@HeikoSlisitsyn:  just sent an email with you cced19:12
@lisitsynok I'll let you know19:13
@lisitsynwhether it works19:13
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