IRC logs of #shogun for Thursday, 2015-01-29

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@lisitsynHeikoS: wiking: anyone knows how to fix the build?11:53
@lisitsyntravis one11:53
@lisitsynits stopping 3 of my PRs :D11:53
lambdayand one of mine :/12:02
@lisitsynlambday: oh hey12:06
lambdaylisitsyn: yo12:07
@lisitsynlambday: lets make something cool12:07
@lisitsyn:D12:07
lambdaylisitsyn: ah finally, you're back! :D12:07
@lisitsyntry to12:07
lambdaylisitsyn: I'm free now a days - getting fat! could use some brain work :P12:07
lambdaylisitsyn: let's finalize things on aer12:08
@lisitsynlambday: what about porting some ideas into shogun?12:08
@lisitsynone by one12:08
@lisitsynsay get/set by string/tag12:08
@lisitsynthen load library et12:08
@lisitsynetc12:08
lambdaylisitsyn: I think we better start experimenting on a separate branch12:08
@lisitsynhmm yeah probably12:09
* lambday afk12:09
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lambdaylisitsyn: will be back in an hour.. let's discuss then12:22
lambdaylisitsyn: and create issues, whatever plans you're having..12:23
@lisitsynlambday: I am a bit slow, the workload is quite heavy last days12:24
@lisitsynjust do whatever comes into my mind12:25
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@besser82wiking, yo?12:32
@besser82wiking, can you confirm python_modular is not segfaulting anymore with SWIG 3.0.4?12:33
@besser82http://www.swig.org/Release/RELEASENOTES12:34
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@sonney2kbesser82, you are too fast for me :)15:21
@besser82sonney2k, what?15:23
@besser82sonney2k, what did i do?  :P15:24
@sonney2k<besser82> sonne|work, Fedora-builds are running for F20+ :D15:32
@sonney2k^ besser82 I guess that is related to shogun 4.015:33
@besser82sonney2k, yes :D15:33
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@besser82sonney2k, currently doing test-builds and pimping the spec-file, to get stuff going into CentOS / RHEL /Scientific Linux {6,7}15:33
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@sonney2kbesser82, I am far away debian wise for that...16:48
@sonney2kI am only hoping that the debian release is imminent...16:48
@besser82sonney2k, who uses debian anyways?  :P16:50
@sonney2kbesser82, :P16:50
@lisitsynhey guys16:51
@lisitsynsonney2k: about a-z, answered your mail :)16:51
@besser82sonney2k, I think there will be packages going out to FC and EL dists at beginning of next week16:51
@lisitsynthey are all like tokugawa ywhatever16:51
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@HeikoSlisitsyn:  hey17:20
@HeikoSlisitsyn:  could you check this here https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/2676#issuecomment-7191091317:20
@HeikoSabout making CKernel::compute virtual17:20
@HeikoSI wonder whether and how bad that is17:20
@lisitsynHeikoS:hmm17:21
@lisitsynlet me check17:21
@HeikoSinline float64_t kernel(int32_t idx_a, int32_t idx_b)17:23
@HeikoSto17:23
@HeikoSvirtual float64_t kernel(int32_t idx_a, int32_t idx_b)17:23
@lisitsynHeikoS: compute is already virtual?17:23
@HeikoSsorry17:23
@HeikoSits "kernel"17:23
@lisitsynah17:23
@lisitsynHeikoS: performance wise it doesn't matter17:24
@lisitsynwe already call normalize and compute which are virtual17:24
@lisitsynbut the idea was to always check indices17:24
@HeikoSthought so, but its another one17:24
@HeikoSI see17:24
@HeikoSso as long as he does this its fine17:24
@lisitsynHeikoS: what's the issue?17:25
@lisitsynI mean why it has to be virtual?17:25
@HeikoShe want to change the thing17:26
@HeikoSbecause we need a kernel that can compute derivative wrt to some subset of data (inducig points)17:26
@HeikoSGP stuff17:26
@lisitsynHeikoS: its actually good to have kernel non-virtual17:27
@lisitsynyou know it is a good practice to have public methods non virtual17:27
@lisitsynjust protected ones17:27
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@HeikoScan you comment on this in the thread?17:28
@lisitsynyes17:29
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@lisitsynHeikoS: I glanced over thread17:34
@lisitsynstill not really get what's the issue with making it virtual17:34
@HeikoSI just wanted to know *whether* there is an issue17:37
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@lisitsynI see17:37
@lisitsynno I mean17:37
@lisitsynwhy it is needed17:37
@lisitsynHeikoS: whats fitc anyways?17:37
@lisitsynI am looking and having no clue what's going on :D17:37
@HeikoShaha17:39
@HeikoSit is a sparse approximation to the likelihood in Gaussian process17:40
@HeikoShttps://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjmlr.org%2Fpapers%2Fvolume6%2Fquinonero-candela05a%2Fquinonero-candela05a.pdf&ei=XWLKVMe0M5exaby_gKgI&usg=AFQjCNHbrEj8Ii5dwq1jgsQ07HyJBpV6fg&sig2=um95-UBRojh6UeLVdvpwEg&bvm=bv.84607526,d.d2s17:40
@HeikoShttp://jmlr.org/papers/volume6/quinonero-candela05a/quinonero-candela05a.pdf17:40
@HeikoSsecond17:40
@HeikoSits a good read17:40
@HeikoSand thats what wu wants to do17:41
@HeikoShttp://jmlr.org/proceedings/papers/v5/titsias09a/titsias09a.pdf17:41
@HeikoSlisitsyn: thanks for the feedback17:42
@lisitsynHeikoS: okay anyway - normalizer::normalize and kernel::compute are virtual17:43
@lisitsynit would matter if no virtual functions involved17:43
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@lisitsynHeikoS: how do GP people handle categorial features?18:36
@HeikoSlisitsyn: with kernel functions on categorical variables18:37
@HeikoScalled diffusion kernels18:37
@lisitsynanything else apart from just matches?18:37
@HeikoSno one can define kernels induced by categorical18:37
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@HeikoSyou kind of get a gaussian kernel analogue even18:37
@lisitsynHeikoS: is it better than just dot product = number of matched features?18:38
@HeikoSyes18:38
@lisitsynHeikoS: I am trying to beat people at kaggle that's why asking :D18:38
@HeikoSlisitsyn:  http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~risi/papers/diffusion-kernels.pdf18:39
@lisitsynsounds like something smart18:39
@lisitsynHeikoS: what should be done to have it in shogun?18:39
@HeikoScheck page 7 on left bottom18:40
@HeikoSthe counting is a limiting case of this kernel18:40
@HeikoSits like a gaussian kernel using a hamming distance rather than a euclidean18:40
@lisitsynHeikoS: any chance to learn that on 40M examples?18:41
@HeikoSmmmh18:42
@HeikoShard18:42
@HeikoSbut possible18:42
@HeikoSI will offer a GSoC project on that in fact18:42
@HeikoSlow rank expansion of kernel (say incomplete cholesky) and then a conjugate gradient for the linear solves18:42
@lisitsynif it makes me win this kaggle I take it :D18:42
@lisitsynHeikoS: will this approx still be better than linear?18:43
@lisitsynHeikoS: I want to take over this thing about REST interface18:44
@lisitsynI think that's the way to win18:44
@lisitsynno mature framework has REST18:44
@HeikoSthe approx is basically doing linear in an approximate feature space18:44
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@lisitsynlambday: I just told HeikoS I am now interested in REST18:45
@lisitsyn:D18:45
@lisitsynwanna have some fun with that?18:45
lambdaylisitsyn: REST? as in REST API?18:45
@lisitsynyes18:45
lambday:P18:46
lambdaylisitsyn: I've been working on this only @job18:46
lambdayjersey :P18:46
@lisitsynwe absolutely should have a shogun server18:46
lambdaylol18:46
lambdayI don't think anyone ever did that for a ML library :P18:46
@lisitsynah and another thing18:46
@lisitsynwe should have something like MOE/spearmint18:46
@lisitsynthat's the way to go18:47
@lisitsynI am 900% sure18:47
lambdaywhat are these?18:47
@lisitsynmodel selection18:47
@lisitsynvia Heikoian stuff18:47
@HeikoSsergey is that really feasible ;)18:47
lambdayokay.. HeikoS is the guy for that :D18:47
@lisitsynI mean bayesian18:47
@lisitsynHeikoS: at least we can interface18:47
@HeikoSlisitsyn: no need to be bayesian if you have 40M points on a linear regression model18:47
@HeikoSonly if oyu have 40m parameters too18:48
@lisitsynHeikoS: yes18:48
@lisitsynHeikoS: but my linear model sucks18:48
@lisitsyn:D18:48
@lisitsyn160th/~160018:48
@HeikoSI see18:48
@HeikoSlambday: hey man how are things? :)18:49
@HeikoSlisitsyn: well then18:49
@HeikoSmake a better thing :)18:49
lambdayHeikoS: lazy18:49
@lisitsynoh wanna join and consult me? :)18:49
@lisitsynfair share18:49
@HeikoSgood feautres and well tuned parameters do most18:49
@lisitsyn:D18:49
lambdayHeikoS: not too much work to do at job18:49
@HeikoSlisitsyn: haha18:49
@lisitsyncode is ready just tell me what to do :D18:49
@HeikoSlisitsyn: ICML deadline18:49
lambdayah18:49
@HeikoSlisitsyn: maybe, when does that end?18:49
@lisitsyn9 feb18:49
@HeikoSlambday: sounds good18:49
@HeikoSlots of time for shogun18:49
@HeikoShaha18:49
@HeikoSlisitsyn: too early18:50
@HeikoSicml is 6th18:50
lambdayHeikoS: we should get back to the big tests work - once you get free18:50
@HeikoSlisitsyn: try this: http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.0332618:50
@HeikoSlambday: yeah totally, currently working on submission of the above18:50
@HeikoSthen another thing18:50
@HeikoSand then got time for big testing18:50
@lisitsynHeikoS: yeah so I will read all these smart things till feb 9 of 201618:50
@lisitsyn:D18:50
@HeikoSdino is also busy but should be better within a month  or so18:50
lambdayHeikoS: alrighty.. I'll work on the prototype for the implementation I was working earlier18:51
@HeikoSlambday: cool!18:51
@lisitsynokay actually I am like driven by kaggle things18:51
@lisitsynit is a way to improve shogun also18:51
@HeikoSlambday: btw I like the linalg progress18:51
@HeikoSlisitsyn: thats great18:51
@HeikoSI mean there is so much to do18:51
lambdaylisitsyn: you participated?18:51
@HeikoSlisitsyn: I though about having a GSoC project on building a kaggle pipeline18:51
@HeikoSwhat do you think?18:51
@HeikoSfor supervised prediction18:52
@lisitsynlambday: trying to get to the top of avazu ctr :D18:52
lambdaylisitsyn: what's your current position :D18:52
@lisitsynHeikoS: this needs real apriori experience18:52
@lisitsynlambday: 160th18:52
@lisitsyn162th18:52
lambdaylisitsyn: not too bad! :D18:52
lambdayHeikoS: linalg has many more things to be included inside..18:53
@HeikoSbtw i recently did a kaggle18:53
@HeikoShttps://www.kaggle.com/c/seizure-detection/leaderboard18:53
@HeikoSgot 9th :)18:53
lambdayHeikoS: good that with the new patch we can accommodate native implementations18:53
* lambday bows18:53
@HeikoSlambday: cool, well done thats important if people have nothing18:53
@lisitsynHeikoS: hmm what are your papers about if you weren't the first :D18:54
@lisitsynjk18:54
lambdayHeikoS: which will hardly be the case :P but still good to have - since we can get rid of all linalg operations from SGMatrix/SGVector18:54
@HeikoSlambday: exactly18:54
@HeikoSlisitsyn: my papers are about buzz words, haha :D18:55
lambdayis any of the paid courses @stanford center of professional development worth the $$?18:56
lambdayI saw a course for some professional certification in large scale ML for $19k18:56
lambdaywho does these courses!!18:56
@HeikoSlambday: Chinese people18:57
@HeikoSthe ML MSc costs like 25k for chinese18:57
@HeikoShere in london18:57
@HeikoSand they are the largest group18:57
lambdayphew!!18:57
lambdayHeikoS: man you must absolutely love Bayes :P new paper is also about that :D18:59
@HeikoSlambday: sure :)18:59
@HeikoSits trendy18:59
lambdayHeikoS: btw is this a good time to merge a new patch, or shall we wait for a few days19:01
@HeikoSlambday: currently also working on infinite exponential family density estimates for hamiltonian dynamic MCMC :)19:01
@HeikoSlambday: why?19:01
lambdayHeikoS: no idea what that means.. know the individual words but don't know what it means when you put 'em all together :D19:02
lambdayHeikoS: regarding release..19:02
@HeikoSlambday: I see19:05
@HeikoSlambday: but we released right?19:05
@HeikoSlambday: so now put stuff in and use it to clean up shoguns code :)19:05
@HeikoSthats very good for a clean up release19:05
@HeikoSas no new features added but internals cleaned up and possible speed gain19:06
@HeikoSso merge it!19:06
@HeikoSits awesome stuff19:06
lambdayHeikoS: alright.. so I'm merging the native implementation patch https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/267219:06
@HeikoSlambday: all tested etc right?19:06
lambdayyep.. travis fails are not related19:06
@HeikoSlambday: the native implementations are important since it allows us to use the interface before we got backends19:06
@HeikoSlambday: so now a sweep over Shoguns code that makes use of those methods is needed19:07
@HeikoSlambday: put it as an entrance taks and let sutdents do it?19:07
lambdayHeikoS: that's what I was thinking :D19:07
lambdayHeikoS: but first I'd like to move the linalg code from SG* to linalg19:08
@HeikoSlambday: yeah very good stuff19:08
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shogun-notifier-shogun: lambday :develop * 91ecdd2 / / (7 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/91ecdd2638deed3b5ff7cc2466d6c1c1bcef633a19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: Added Shogun's native dot impl to linalg under NATIVE backend19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: Soumyajit De :develop * acdd979 / / (7 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/acdd979a5e4e4d0c8fffd358e674d98a79c0a2a519:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #2672 from lambday/develop19:11
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Added Shogun's native dot impl to linalg under NATIVE backend19:11
shogun-buildbotbuild #2634 of bsd1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/bsd1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2634  blamelist: lambday <heavensdevil6909@gmail.com>, Soumyajit De <heavensdevil6909@gmail.com>19:18
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@HeikoSgoing climbing now, see you guys19:44
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