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sonne|work | lisitsyn: so today is the day right? | 10:13 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: ja | 10:15 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: though I am not sure about the time | 10:18 |
@lisitsyn | google calendar UI is absolutely useless | 10:18 |
@lisitsyn | I don't even understand the timezone it shows | 10:18 |
@lisitsyn | :D | 10:18 |
sonne|work | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015 | 10:20 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: ^ says 9 hours 39 minutes remaining | 10:20 |
sonne|work | Accepted Orgs Announced On: | 10:21 |
sonne|work | March 02 at 19:00 UTC | 10:21 |
@lisitsyn | cool | 10:21 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: where is our ideas page now? | 10:21 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: github wiki | 10:21 |
@lisitsyn | ehmm | 10:22 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: it looks like we had wrong url for ideas in the application | 10:23 |
@lisitsyn | :-O | 10:23 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: then we are out :( | 10:23 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: description has proper url | 10:24 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: I guess we will know in ~9 hrs :) | 10:25 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: would it make sense to notify carol we had a wrong url? | 10:26 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: well worth a try - it might be too late though... | 10:27 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: can you write a mail? | 10:27 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: so that is the correct url right https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/wiki/Google-Summer-of-Code-2015-projects | 10:31 |
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@lisitsyn | HeikoS: ! | 11:17 |
@lisitsyn | we are quite careless apparently :) | 11:17 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: ? | 11:18 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: we had wrong link for ideas | 11:19 |
@lisitsyn | in the application | 11:19 |
@HeikoS | what? | 11:19 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: the one in description was correct | 11:19 |
@HeikoS | I know it was wrong on the first trial, but I though I corrected it | 11:19 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: I fixed it and fernando wrote a mail to carol | 11:19 |
@HeikoS | phew :) | 11:19 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: I am not sure if it can help though | 11:19 |
@lisitsyn | may be too late | 11:20 |
@HeikoS | Well its copy paste, they should not be too strict | 11:20 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: ohh they can be pretty strict | 11:20 |
@lisitsyn | there are like hundred and more of orgs | 11:20 |
@HeikoS | we have it on our website | 11:20 |
@HeikoS | should not be a problem | 11:20 |
@lisitsyn | lets hope so | 11:20 |
@HeikoS | but good that you realised | 11:20 |
@lisitsyn | I hope if it had a harm we can fix it by notifying carol before | 11:21 |
@HeikoS | it will be alright | 11:21 |
@HeikoS | they look at the whole application, not just one link | 11:21 |
@lisitsyn | you're quite optimistic guy aren't you? :) | 11:22 |
@HeikoS | yes | 11:22 |
@HeikoS | but it would be ridiculous to reject because of this link being wrong | 11:23 |
@HeikoS | I trust them to do proper screening of the ords | 11:23 |
@HeikoS | including having a look at the website | 11:23 |
@HeikoS | and this is why it was important to put it on the front page | 11:23 |
@HeikoS | but we have, so its easy to find the ideas page | 11:23 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: great idea with the namespaces | 11:23 |
@HeikoS | ok time for science, I will be back later | 11:24 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: when will be notified? | 11:24 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: 19 utc | 11:24 |
@HeikoS | ok | 11:24 |
@HeikoS | see you then :) | 11:24 |
@HeikoS | we can have a stammtisch afterwards | 11:24 |
@HeikoS | Ill send an email to the list | 11:24 |
@lisitsyn | ok | 11:25 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: HeikoS is always optimistic :) | 11:37 |
sonne|work | the total contrary to me :) | 11:37 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: right marvin? | 11:37 |
@HeikoS | sonne|work: haha :) | 11:39 |
@HeikoS | indeed | 11:39 |
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@lisitsyn | sonne|work: absolutely | 11:51 |
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sonne|work | lisitsyn: lets get lessons from HeikoS to see the world in shiny psychedelic colors :P | 11:52 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|work: I have no idea how to have fun in this world to be honest | 11:52 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: let cand. Phd. Heiko S. bring us the cure(tm) | 11:53 |
sonne|work | lisitsyn: and if that doesn't help - you will have to resort to vodka and I can probably get the same effect by drinking water from the river Spree :P | 11:55 |
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@HeikoS | its all the coffee guys | 12:05 |
@HeikoS | more coffee | 12:06 |
@HeikoS | !!!!! | 12:06 |
@HeikoS | sonne|work: and you know, nuts! did you stop eating them? you should never stop for any reason | 12:06 |
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sonne|work | HeikoS: ahh totally forgot to get my daily nut intake | 13:36 |
@HeikoS | no wonder | 13:37 |
@wiking | argha | 13:49 |
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@iglesiasg | 15 minutes to go for the announcement, right? :-) | 19:45 |
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@iglesiasg | HeikoS is in da house | 19:49 |
@HeikoS | yoyo :) | 19:49 |
@HeikoS | how are things? | 19:50 |
@HeikoS | already announced? | 19:50 |
* adit-39 begins the final countdown for the last 10 minutes | 19:50 | |
@HeikoS | iglesiasg: man, quite scared about this link business ;) | 19:50 |
@iglesiasg | HeikoS: yeah, I am worried about it too. Let's hope for the best | 19:51 |
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@lisitsyn | told you | 19:57 |
naywhayare | we've been rejected this year | 19:57 |
naywhayare | (we being mlpack, not shogun) | 19:58 |
naywhayare | did you guys get in? | 19:58 |
@lisitsyn | naywhayare: wow you too? | 19:58 |
naywhayare | you got rejected also? | 19:58 |
@lisitsyn | yes | 19:58 |
naywhayare | haha | 19:58 |
naywhayare | they must think machine learning isn't important | 19:58 |
naywhayare | it's not useful to anyone, obviously | 19:58 |
@lisitsyn | no more machine learning | 19:58 |
naywhayare | :) | 19:58 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: where is the email? | 19:58 |
@lisitsyn | well we fscked up our ideas page | 19:59 |
naywhayare | that seems odd though, that they would reject you after, what, 8 years of participation? | 19:59 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: I received | 19:59 |
@HeikoS | :( | 19:59 |
@lisitsyn | naywhayare: would be 5th year I think | 19:59 |
naywhayare | :( | 19:59 |
naywhayare | well, that's how it goes I guess | 19:59 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: well, lets make sure to check their irc meeting | 20:00 |
@HeikoS | pitty | 20:00 |
naywhayare | did you know of any other ML libraries that applied? | 20:00 |
@lisitsyn | ok lets do shogun by ourselves haha | 20:00 |
naywhayare | I didn't know of any others... I would be surprised to hear of no machine learning libraries in GSoC 2015 | 20:01 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn, you know that iglesiasg and me though about skipping this year, since we have too many things to do and these gsoc projects on new algos kind of distract us gfrom doing that | 20:01 |
@HeikoS | naywhayare: pitty for you too | 20:01 |
@lisitsyn | HeikoS: yeah that's ok | 20:02 |
@lisitsyn | combo breaker though | 20:02 |
naywhayare | man, and these guys get in: | 20:02 |
naywhayare | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/hpccsystems | 20:02 |
@HeikoS | naywhayare: its the application that counts, not the topic of the project | 20:02 |
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@HeikoS | naywhayare: did you do anything different to last years? | 20:03 |
naywhayare | no, we submitted a quite similar application | 20:03 |
naywhayare | the answers to the questions were similar | 20:03 |
@HeikoS | naywhayare: also I guess, its fair to share the google love | 20:03 |
@HeikoS | naywhayare: same here | 20:03 |
naywhayare | if anything the application was better since we have more mentors now | 20:03 |
@lisitsyn | no scikit learn | 20:03 |
@lisitsyn | hah | 20:03 |
@iglesiasg | I am not sure whether it was the error in the url, or simply they are changing orgs | 20:03 |
@lisitsyn | iglesiasg: no mlpack no shogun and no scikit learn | 20:04 |
@lisitsyn | :D | 20:04 |
naywhayare | ah well, I guess we all have a bit more free time this summer :) | 20:04 |
@iglesiasg | indeed haha | 20:05 |
@HeikoS | iglesiasg: yeah the error in the url cant be the reason | 20:05 |
@HeikoS | iglesiasg: maybe a sum of things and this was one | 20:05 |
@HeikoS | but lets see | 20:05 |
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@HeikoS | when is the meeting? | 20:05 |
naywhayare | I would imagine that they are just giving new organizations a chance | 20:05 |
naywhayare | I guess we'll find out on Friday | 20:05 |
@lisitsyn | yeah that's pretty fair | 20:05 |
@lisitsyn | we've been on gsoc steroids pretty long | 20:05 |
naywhayare | yeah, GSoC is really wonderful for bringing people into the project | 20:06 |
@HeikoS | release into the wild ;) | 20:06 |
naywhayare | :) | 20:06 |
@lisitsyn | ok lets break shogun and rebuild from scratch | 20:06 |
@lisitsyn | now we can do any changes | 20:06 |
@iglesiasg | naywhayare: I agree with you, I think it is new orgs coming in mostly | 20:06 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: haha :) | 20:06 |
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@lisitsyn | HeikoS: we have like a ton of issues to resolve | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | well half of our projects are things we want to do | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | I agree | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: maybe we can choose one project and do joint forces on it | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | with the usual weekly progress, etc | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | to have some routine? | 20:07 |
@iglesiasg | yes | 20:07 |
@lisitsyn | not sure about that | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | iglesiasg: what do you think? | 20:07 |
@lisitsyn | lets just fix that | 20:07 |
@iglesiasg | I think it is time we get back to black :-) | 20:07 |
@HeikoS | ah man I forgot how to code myself over these years ;) | 20:08 |
naywhayare | ah, someone's just told me they accepted only 137 organizations this year as opposed to 190 last year | 20:08 |
smallgraph | "I agree with you, I think it is new orgs coming in mostly" why wouldn't you than give "old" orgs than at least 1-2 slots? | 20:08 |
naywhayare | so maybe their funding has been cut a bit... | 20:08 |
@lisitsyn | smallgraph: god^W google knows | 20:08 |
@iglesiasg | haha | 20:09 |
@iglesiasg | smallgraph: yeah, that's also a good point | 20:09 |
smallgraph | so we can google it? | 20:09 |
@iglesiasg | anyway, there are also good old orgs like OpenCV and Boost | 20:10 |
@lisitsyn | smallgraph: just kidding ;) | 20:10 |
@lisitsyn | iglesiasg: yeah | 20:10 |
@iglesiasg | HeikoS: lisitsyn : we can always mail them and ask them for feedback | 20:12 |
@HeikoS | yeah lets go to the irc meeting | 20:12 |
@lisitsyn | iglesiasg: doesn't matter that much for me ;) | 20:12 |
@HeikoS | gotta run off, will be back a bit later | 20:12 |
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@lisitsyn | iglesiasg: I can tell you multiple reasons why we should have been rejected ;) | 20:13 |
@lisitsyn | like low activity mid-gsoc and so on | 20:13 |
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@iglesiasg | lisitsyn: what do you mean with mid-gsoc? | 20:15 |
@iglesiasg | I haven't noticed much difference compared to last year for instance | 20:15 |
@lisitsyn | iglesiasg: between gsocs I mean sorry | 20:15 |
@iglesiasg | that's true | 20:16 |
smallgraph | I bet Google has a bot for monitoring this^^ | 20:16 |
@iglesiasg | I have to go now too | 20:16 |
@iglesiasg | catch you later, guys | 20:16 |
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sonne|osx | lisitsyn: my condolences! | 20:28 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: we betrayed you our leader! | 20:29 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: looks like it doesn't pay of to be a lazy shogun | 20:30 |
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@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: yeah | 20:30 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: I forgot which epoch the worst shogun's came from but I am probably one of them! | 20:30 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: I tell you - it was the wrong url :( | 20:30 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: yeah probably it was one of the reasons | 20:31 |
sonne|osx | well we can ask them and find out! | 20:31 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: yeah sure | 20:31 |
@lisitsyn | there will be a meeting | 20:31 |
sonne|osx | but seriously - they receive way too many applications so if one screws up w/ one point one is out | 20:32 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: although it doesn't matter that much | 20:32 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: well it does - that is how we got in - by fixing the issues | 20:32 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: lets just work on shogun ;) | 20:32 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: when we first applied we had the issue that we didn't include difficulties | 20:33 |
freedon | DId shogun get accepted as a mentoring organistaion this year ? | 20:33 |
sonne|osx | and didn't mention mentors | 20:33 |
sonne|osx | freedon: nope not this year | 20:33 |
sonne|osx | freedon: looks like we had a wrong link to the ideas page :( | 20:34 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: but true! maybe one year w/o summer pressure really doing the things we want ourselves helps to calm down and refocus | 20:34 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: after all there is lot of refactoring planned and that doesn't distribute too well | 20:35 |
freedon | So, anyone here who wishes to still contribute during the summers ? | 20:39 |
freedon | Because, I am completely free during the summers and got nothing to do | 20:40 |
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sonne|osx | freedon: well we have plenty of ideas so you are of course welcome | 20:41 |
@lambday | :( | 20:47 |
freedon | This time there is a serious cut in the number of mentoring organisations, from 190 in 2014 to 137 this year :/ | 20:50 |
sanuj | Never mind guys. We can apply next year, till then let's make shogun more clean and sophisticated :) | 20:56 |
sanuj | starting with the installation which needs some attention | 20:56 |
sanuj | although gsoc would have been cool :( | 20:58 |
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@wiking | oh wooooooooooah | 21:02 |
@wiking | :< | 21:02 |
@wiking | so sad news | 21:03 |
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Yorkerlin | I plan to do the project listed in the idea page w/o GSoC 2015. Is it possible ? | 21:07 |
@wiking | of course | 21:08 |
@lisitsyn | Yorkerlin: but without gsoc right? ;) | 21:08 |
@wiking | but not part of gsoc 2015 | 21:08 |
Yorkerlin | Yes | 21:09 |
@wiking | no money :D | 21:09 |
Yorkerlin | Indeed, I am working on the project after gsoc 2014 | 21:10 |
@wiking | ok | 21:10 |
@wiking | so what | 21:10 |
@wiking | this years aim = lets' make shogun the #1 choice of ML? :D | 21:10 |
@wiking | with release 5.0.0? :d | 21:10 |
@wiking | :D | 21:10 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: got a second? | 21:10 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: yeah sure | 21:11 |
@wiking | http://actor-framework.org/ | 21:11 |
@wiking | have u had a chance to look at this? | 21:11 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: akka for C++? :) | 21:11 |
@wiking | yep | 21:11 |
Yorkerlin | I just am asking whether u guys still provide mentoring | 21:11 |
@wiking | Yorkerlin: yep | 21:11 |
@wiking | that was never about the money :) | 21:11 |
@lisitsyn | Yorkerlin: I think we can manage that | 21:11 |
@wiking | i mean mentoring | 21:11 |
@lisitsyn | Yorkerlin: what project? | 21:12 |
Yorkerlin | Yes I know :) | 21:12 |
Yorkerlin | Indeed I am working with Heiko for the large scale GP project | 21:12 |
@lisitsyn | Yorkerlin: I am sure heiko would be happy :) | 21:13 |
Yorkerlin | Yes. Still have a lot of clean-up for the GP module | 21:13 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: so i'm thinking maybe this would be the bes tthing to use for the distributed stuff | 21:14 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: but that's pretty immature.. | 21:14 |
@wiking | which? | 21:14 |
@wiking | the c++ lib? | 21:15 |
@wiking | i've just played with it | 21:15 |
@wiking | and it's pretty advanced | 21:15 |
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@lisitsyn | wiking: yeah but very new | 21:15 |
@lisitsyn | that's what I fear ;) | 21:15 |
@wiking | :D | 21:15 |
@wiking | well u have to start somewhere :) | 21:16 |
@wiking | i mean we dont have reflection in c++ | 21:16 |
@wiking | so having an rdd will be quite complicated :D | 21:16 |
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@wiking | but i have a feeling that it'd be the best option to use an actor fw + mesos for shoguns distributed backend | 21:17 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: okay what about adding some intermediate layer to make it library agnostic? | 21:17 |
@wiking | like? | 21:18 |
@lisitsyn | I mean actors but with libraries isolated to some very base classes | 21:18 |
@wiking | ah | 21:18 |
@wiking | yeah of course | 21:18 |
@lisitsyn | I like actor model but I am afraid of concrete libraries | 21:19 |
@wiking | i dont think it should be solved only on shogun level | 21:19 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: do you have any vision how this works? | 21:19 |
@wiking | mmmm | 21:20 |
@wiking | yeah | 21:20 |
@wiking | magicooooo | 21:20 |
@wiking | no i mean i was thinking more and more | 21:20 |
@wiking | and trying to sketch up stuff locally | 21:20 |
@wiking | my main problem with the current way | 21:20 |
@wiking | is the duality | 21:20 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: say we want to train svm | 21:20 |
@wiking | of local distribution | 21:20 |
@wiking | and real distribution | 21:21 |
@wiking | i.e process vs threads | 21:21 |
@wiking | i.e. openmp vs anything else over tcp/ip stack | 21:21 |
@wiking | mmm well svm is a hard task | 21:21 |
@wiking | i mean not a good choice for doing distributed work | 21:21 |
@wiking | as it's iterative | 21:22 |
@lisitsyn | yeah but that's the main thing to distribute | 21:22 |
@lisitsyn | neural nets and svm | 21:22 |
@wiking | so not too mcuh you can distribute there | 21:22 |
@wiking | although i read a paper once somebody doing M/R svm | 21:22 |
@lisitsyn | well SGD | 21:22 |
@lisitsyn | some day it will converge | 21:22 |
@lisitsyn | ;) | 21:23 |
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@lisitsyn | wiking: you have some time to move some classes? | 21:23 |
@wiking | :D | 21:23 |
@wiking | smallgraph: ping | 21:23 |
@lisitsyn | I am thinking about nested namespaces | 21:23 |
@lisitsyn | good time TO BREAK THINGS | 21:23 |
@wiking | yeah | 21:23 |
@wiking | true | 21:23 |
smallgraph | Hi | 21:23 |
@wiking | smallgraph: u /msg-ed me | 21:23 |
@wiking | about windows | 21:23 |
@wiking | what was that about | 21:23 |
@wiking | ? | 21:23 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: you're on mac now? | 21:24 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: yep | 21:24 |
@lisitsyn | lets hack brew | 21:24 |
@lisitsyn | haha | 21:24 |
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@wiking | hahah fuck brew | 21:24 |
@wiking | i relaly hate it | 21:24 |
@lisitsyn | macports? | 21:24 |
@wiking | yeah i did that once | 21:24 |
@wiking | macports people are crazy | 21:24 |
@wiking | i send in patches for the Portfile | 21:24 |
@lisitsyn | alternatives? | 21:24 |
@wiking | never apply it | 21:24 |
smallgraph | which MS VS are you using? | 21:25 |
@wiking | smallgraph: none.... last time i wanted to compile shogun with visual studio it was win7 | 21:25 |
@wiking | + visual studio 2014 | 21:25 |
@wiking | + visual studio 2013 | 21:25 |
@wiking | bascially i've added some minor things | 21:26 |
@wiking | but then the whole thing breaks | 21:26 |
@wiking | when the compiler sees CMath.h | 21:26 |
@wiking | :) | 21:26 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: well we can start doing the nested part | 21:26 |
@wiking | wanna devide up the directories among the 2 of us | 21:27 |
@wiking | ? | 21:27 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: sure | 21:27 |
@wiking | and push in now fast the code | 21:27 |
@lisitsyn | https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/tree/develop/src/shogun | 21:27 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: odds are for you | 21:27 |
@lisitsyn | even are for me | 21:27 |
@lisitsyn | ;) | 21:27 |
@wiking | hahaha | 21:27 |
@wiking | start with 0? | 21:27 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: okay | 21:27 |
@wiking | ok so 0 is even :P | 21:28 |
@wiking | as we know.... | 21:28 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: what about pushing per directory? | 21:28 |
@wiking | yeah sounds good | 21:28 |
@wiking | btw | 21:28 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: lets setup a branch | 21:28 |
@wiking | feature? | 21:28 |
@wiking | yeah | 21:28 |
@wiking | feature breanch it | 21:28 |
@wiking | *branch | 21:28 |
@lisitsyn | refactor branch! | 21:28 |
@wiking | ehhehe | 21:28 |
@wiking | good | 21:28 |
@wiking | btw do we care about correct identing? | 21:28 |
@wiking | indenting... | 21:29 |
@lisitsyn | hmm | 21:29 |
@wiking | or same like shogun namespace? | 21:29 |
@lisitsyn | lets make it flat | 21:29 |
@wiking | ok | 21:29 |
@wiking | so | 21:29 |
@wiking | namespace shogun | 21:29 |
@wiking | { | 21:29 |
@lisitsyn | yeah | 21:29 |
@wiking | namespace feature | 21:29 |
@wiking | { | 21:29 |
@wiking | ? | 21:29 |
@lisitsyn | yeah | 21:29 |
@wiking | ok | 21:29 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: I think we gonna break some swig stuff first | 21:30 |
@wiking | of course | 21:30 |
@wiking | but that's ok | 21:30 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: let me dive into crazy compile-fix loop | 21:31 |
@lisitsyn | :D | 21:31 |
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@wiking | hehehe | 21:31 |
@wiking | so push the branch | 21:31 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: hmm it is empty | 21:32 |
@lisitsyn | won't appear I guess | 21:32 |
@wiking | fucking hdfs | 21:33 |
@wiking | it's the worst thing ever written | 21:33 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: yeah kind of hard thing to maintain | 21:34 |
@lisitsyn | :) | 21:34 |
@wiking | argh it's super slow | 21:34 |
@wiking | sometimes i wanna kill jvm | 21:34 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: oh refactoring base is a bad luck | 21:34 |
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@lisitsyn | I think I am going to change all the shogun code now | 21:35 |
@lisitsyn | as sgobject is here | 21:35 |
@wiking | hehhe we'll be like perl | 21:35 |
@wiking | 6.0 will be the utopia version | 21:35 |
@wiking | for the last 20 years :D | 21:35 |
@wiking | sgobject is a fucking crazy stuff | 21:35 |
@wiking | and yeah we should most def take the code to non c++11 ready | 21:36 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: what do you mean non c++11 ready? | 21:36 |
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@wiking | imagine this: i ran the spark job in 12 minutes... and the IO to write the data to hdfs takes about 50 minutes | 21:37 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: btw did you check - is there any machine learning organization that got accepted | 21:37 |
sonne|osx | ? | 21:37 |
@wiking | ... | 21:37 |
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@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: some small | 21:37 |
@lisitsyn | and opencv | 21:37 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: ah yeah so i meant: only c++11 only | 21:37 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: ah ok | 21:37 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: well opencv sure - but it is not really ML | 21:37 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: barely | 21:38 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: it's a pain in the ass to maintain code that supports both... c++11 and older | 21:38 |
@wiking | so why not just have this | 21:38 |
@wiking | from version 5.0.0 only c++11 | 21:38 |
@wiking | and that's all | 21:38 |
@wiking | most of compilers support it anyways | 21:39 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: yes sure | 21:39 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn: I don't see any real machine learning thing in there... | 21:39 |
@wiking | or we just rewrite shogun in rust :D | 21:39 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: oh no I like C++ | 21:39 |
@lisitsyn | it is much better than rust ;) | 21:39 |
@wiking | hahahaha | 21:39 |
@wiking | yeah it was just the 'yet another buzzword session' | 21:39 |
@wiking | scala man... | 21:39 |
@wiking | i would kill who designed scala | 21:39 |
@lisitsyn | C++ is better than scala ;) | 21:39 |
@lisitsyn | though they have something in common | 21:40 |
@wiking | come one they broke the whole java obj concept | 21:40 |
@wiking | lisitsyn: kotlin :D | 21:40 |
sonne|osx | lisitsyn, wiking really no ML toolbox this year not a single one... | 21:40 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: well | 21:40 |
@wiking | sonne|osx: maybe tomoorrow google will release its ML library | 21:40 |
@lisitsyn | sonne|osx: haha | 21:41 |
@lisitsyn | yeah | 21:41 |
@wiking | that will make everything obsolete | 21:41 |
@wiking | :D | 21:41 |
@wiking | i mean they had a reason | 21:41 |
sonne|osx | wiking: they stopped using ML? | 21:41 |
@wiking | for sure not a financial one... as google is swimming in money more than ever | 21:41 |
sonne|osx | hardly :) | 21:41 |
@wiking | so i guess we'll never know | 21:42 |
@lisitsyn | all major ml things are going well w/o gsoc already | 21:43 |
@lisitsyn | may be that's the reason | 21:43 |
@wiking | which ones? | 21:43 |
@lisitsyn | vowpal wabbit | 21:43 |
@lisitsyn | sklearn | 21:43 |
@wiking | ah | 21:44 |
@wiking | sklearn | 21:44 |
@wiking | ahahhaa | 21:44 |
@wiking | that library is a joke :D | 21:44 |
@lisitsyn | very widely used | 21:44 |
@wiking | i mean i like it and i use it | 21:44 |
@wiking | but come on | 21:44 |
@wiking | u cant run that on serious data | 21:44 |
@wiking | it's python for god sakes :) | 21:44 |
sonne|osx | too small scale for me... | 21:45 |
@wiking | but yeah every wannabe machine learning person uses that now | 21:45 |
@wiking | as it's easy to use | 21:45 |
@wiking | i saw somebody tackling a problem | 21:45 |
@lisitsyn | ah and there is no machine learning anymore | 21:45 |
@wiking | 'ml expert' | 21:45 |
@lisitsyn | just deep learning | 21:45 |
sonne|osx | depp learning as the german would say ;) | 21:45 |
@wiking | took sklearn and basically ran all the possible algos on the problem | 21:46 |
@wiking | and did a grid search over it | 21:46 |
@wiking | = problem solved :D | 21:46 |
@wiking | this is new age ML ;) | 21:46 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: no it was previous epoch | 21:47 |
@lisitsyn | now you do something else | 21:47 |
@wiking | aws + grid search for all | 21:47 |
@lisitsyn | i.e. | 21:47 |
@wiking | :) | 21:47 |
@lisitsyn | take the biggest network you can store in memory | 21:47 |
@lisitsyn | randomize it randomize it learn it | 21:47 |
@lisitsyn | magic | 21:47 |
@wiking | :> | 21:48 |
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@lisitsyn | ah and use relu | 21:48 |
@lisitsyn | ;) | 21:48 |
@lisitsyn | that's what have changed since 1982 | 21:48 |
joergkurt | good evening gentlemen | 21:48 |
@lisitsyn | joergkurt: hey | 21:48 |
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joergkurt | hoi, has anyone compiled shogun with an alternate SWIG directory? | 21:49 |
@wiking | what is an alternative swig directory? | 21:49 |
joergkurt | aka, I dont have a preinstalled package, but have to use a local SWIG compilation | 21:49 |
@wiking | ah | 21:49 |
joergkurt | like/local/depdencency/swig | 21:49 |
@wiking | that should be fine if u have it path | 21:49 |
@wiking | if not then you'll have to tell cmake where it can find and how swig... | 21:50 |
joergkurt | which env variables or cmake flags do I ahve to set for shogun? | 21:50 |
joergkurt | I managed a local static SWIG install, and eigen and json could be bundled, if I figure the swig I am there | 21:52 |
@wiking | SWIG_EXECUTABLE = path to the swig exec | 21:52 |
@wiking | -DSWIG_EXECUTABLE=/custom/path/to/swig | 21:52 |
joergkurt | on it, thanks | 21:53 |
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joergkurt | error FindSWIG.cmake:40 /local/sw/swig-3.0.5 -swiglib failed with output | 21:58 |
joergkurt | SWIG was installed in the very smae /local/sw/swig-3.0.5 director with a static PCRE via Tools/pcre-build.sh, this shuold be consistent | 21:59 |
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@wiking | joergkurt: i guess /local/sw/swig-3.0.5 is just a directory | 22:03 |
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@wiking | not actually the swig binary or? | 22:03 |
@wiking | is there /local/sw/swig-3.0.5/bin/swig ? | 22:04 |
joergkurt | ah, yup, thats it, better, I thought its autocompleted | 22:04 |
joergkurt | (man, I hate non-admin environments) thanks! | 22:05 |
@lisitsyn | wiking: like a few hundreds errors left | 22:05 |
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joergkurt | -DBUNDLE_EIGEN=ON throws a HASH mismatch | 22:14 |
joergkurt | I have a local install, so if you provide me the LIB and INCLUDE env variables I could use them as well | 22:14 |
joergkurt | BTW, which JSON library are you referring too, this exists as bundle, but I could also just fetch it myself | 22:14 |
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joergkurt | ok, so far so good, eigen is export EIGEN_INCLUDE_DIR=$LOCALEIGEN/include | 22:26 |
joergkurt | JSON bundle is working | 22:26 |
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