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| @besser82 | lisitsyn, ping? | 19:51 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: pong | 19:56 |
| lisitsyn | whta's up? | 19:56 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, just the discussion 'bout those properties-classes... | 20:05 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, I'm afraid, that won't help too much... :( | 20:06 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: yeap | 20:06 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, we really need to go plugin-style... | 20:06 |
| @besser82 | ... with polymorphism | 20:07 |
| lisitsyn | yes that would be fastest to compile but I don't see any cool API with that | 20:07 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, that's the problem... | 20:08 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, we possibly need some real well-though factories... | 20:08 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, and API will stay so-so... | 20:09 |
| lisitsyn | it would be something ugly and string based | 20:09 |
| @besser82 | atleast patially, yes :( | 20:09 |
| @besser82 | but swig will be nice and small | 20:10 |
| @besser82 | and api from linker's pov will stay rock-solid | 20:11 |
| @besser82 | otherwise we might use enums for parameters? | 20:11 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, ^ | 20:13 |
| @besser82 | any other ideas? | 20:13 |
| @besser82 | As far as I can see, Octave-mod will start blowing memory on Fedora's builders in very short time | 20:14 |
| @besser82 | Takes ~8GBytes of RAM even with '-g1' and not using '-pipe' | 20:15 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: enums won't work for plugins :) | 20:16 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, depends ;) | 20:17 |
| lisitsyn | unless parameters of plugins are known before the plugin | 20:17 |
| lisitsyn | like its generic for any plugin | 20:17 |
| lisitsyn | but that's not really the case | 20:17 |
| @besser82 | my_svm = new CSVM(SVM_TYPE_ENUM,...) | 20:17 |
| lisitsyn | but then you have headers for all plugins? | 20:18 |
| @besser82 | nope... | 20:18 |
| lisitsyn | I mean that's not plugin then | 20:18 |
| @besser82 | but at least a generic class | 20:19 |
| @besser82 | like CSVM | 20:19 |
| lisitsyn | yes but if your class adds one more parameter | 20:19 |
| lisitsyn | toomba_yumba | 20:19 |
| lisitsyn | you can't access it :) | 20:19 |
| @besser82 | which can be resolved as well ;) | 20:19 |
| lisitsyn | how? | 20:20 |
| @besser82 | like having a std::map as member of base class ;) | 20:20 |
| lisitsyn | enum doesn't work still | 20:20 |
| @besser82 | which holds pointers to whatever additional data / functions | 20:20 |
| @besser82 | Why? | 20:20 |
| lisitsyn | because you'd have to put all possible parameters into that enum | 20:21 |
| lisitsyn | like before developing any plugin | 20:21 |
| @besser82 | that's not what I mean... | 20:21 |
| @besser82 | I'm thinking of an enum describing which type of svm will be used... | 20:21 |
| lisitsyn | uh why? | 20:22 |
| lisitsyn | string is ok here | 20:22 |
| @besser82 | okie | 20:22 |
| lisitsyn | strings are dynamic while it would put all types statically | 20:22 |
| @besser82 | erm... yes, that's true | 20:23 |
| @besser82 | :P | 20:23 |
| lisitsyn | like inversed abstraction :) | 20:23 |
| @besser82 | hehe | 20:23 |
| @besser82 | but parameters might come from a std::map as well | 20:23 |
| @besser82 | std::map<string, void**> | 20:24 |
| lisitsyn | yes but rather map<string, any> | 20:24 |
| @besser82 | does this work? | 20:25 |
| lisitsyn | that works but ugly | 20:25 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 20:25 |
| lisitsyn | I mean you would do | 20:25 |
| @besser82 | void** is more un-ugly :P | 20:25 |
| lisitsyn | no void** is the ugliest ugly :) | 20:25 |
| lisitsyn | you need to store type | 20:25 |
| @besser82 | but takes a <any> pointer to <any> pointer :P | 20:26 |
| lisitsyn | ugly is that you have to do | 20:26 |
| lisitsyn | svm.get("C").as_float() | 20:26 |
| lisitsyn | any stores type and supports safe casts | 20:27 |
| @besser82 | Yay! so we kan use boost::any :P | 20:28 |
| lisitsyn | yes or better our own any :D | 20:28 |
| lisitsyn | cause boost::any is uber slow | 20:28 |
| @besser82 | Is it? | 20:28 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: it's type check is based on string comparison | 20:29 |
| lisitsyn | of RTTI typenames | 20:29 |
| lisitsyn | there is a better way | 20:29 |
| @besser82 | That's fscking rock-solid... ;) | 20:29 |
| lisitsyn | besser82: anyway that doesn't really matter, api is the most important | 20:30 |
| lisitsyn | and with strings we force users to explicitly provide types | 20:30 |
| @besser82 | ERm... Do we? | 20:31 |
| lisitsyn | yes | 20:31 |
| lisitsyn | ??? get(std::string); | 20:31 |
| lisitsyn | what's the return type? :) | 20:31 |
| @besser82 | Any! | 20:31 |
| @besser82 | :P | 20:31 |
| lisitsyn | yes it is possible | 20:31 |
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| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * e0b776b / src/shogun/optimization/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e0b776b2d975610c138dd8d165386ba4b51c09c2 | 20:31 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: add base class for wrapped minimizer | 20:31 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * e4c9817 / src/shogun/optimization/lbfgs/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e4c98176c527ab0ebd2f2a474c77c15f547b32bb | 20:31 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: added lbfgs wrapped minimizer | 20:31 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * c45b744 / tests/unit/optimization/lbfgs/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/c45b7446bbc5599e0cb7060c869b0d92f5af0629 | 20:31 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: added unit tests | 20:32 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * 3fea081 / src/shogun/optimization/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/3fea0817609b54039a7d456bff744aeff119c4b3 | 20:32 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: clearn header files and comments | 20:32 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * edc9c26 / src/shogun/optimization/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/edc9c26a3d866201c6551eac3328e261385db25b | 20:32 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: remove the useless helper class | 20:32 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * f4a0c26 / src/shogun/optimization/lbfgs/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/f4a0c2604aa85ab0e472601fe2a4a0c805285012 | 20:32 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: update the lbfgs class | 20:32 |
| @besser82 | Commit galore!!! :P :P :P | 20:32 |
| lisitsyn | hah | 20:32 |
| lisitsyn | but when someone gets SVM's C | 20:32 |
| lisitsyn | he expects float | 20:32 |
| lisitsyn | so he needs to code he needs float | 20:32 |
| lisitsyn | like as_float | 20:33 |
| lisitsyn | or whatever | 20:33 |
| @besser82 | nope... I just found sth... ;) | 20:33 |
| @besser82 | http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/20058/c11-any-class | 20:33 |
| @besser82 | might be useful ^_^ | 20:33 |
| lisitsyn | yes in C++ it is easy | 20:33 |
| lisitsyn | you just write float C = svm.get("C"); | 20:33 |
| lisitsyn | all implicit casts happen there | 20:34 |
| lisitsyn | but in python/java/blabla | 20:34 |
| @besser82 | we wouldn't need to get to have that ugly API... | 20:35 |
| @besser82 | We can provide a factory valid for all *SVM | 20:35 |
| lisitsyn | yes it is not a problem at all | 20:35 |
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| @besser82 | so have all important shiatz in header of factory | 20:35 |
| lisitsyn | problem is how to pass data | 20:36 |
| lisitsyn | parameters and stuff | 20:36 |
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| @besser82 | lisitsyn, as class-member? | 20:36 |
| lisitsyn | btw opencv has cv::Mat | 20:36 |
| lisitsyn | which is not typed | 20:36 |
| lisitsyn | you need to know its type | 20:36 |
| lisitsyn | people live with that :D | 20:36 |
| @besser82 | cv::Mat == void :P | 20:36 |
| lisitsyn | yes kind of | 20:36 |
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| @besser82 | void with return-value :P | 20:37 |
| lisitsyn | big decorator on top of void* | 20:37 |
| @besser82 | lol | 20:37 |
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| lisitsyn | besser82: in dynamic language like python we can do some magic | 20:39 |
| lisitsyn | so that svm.get("C") is transformed into float | 20:39 |
| lisitsyn | but not in java | 20:39 |
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| lisitsyn | although in java you know the type you expect | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | so why care? | 20:40 |
| lisitsyn | just a bit of additional verbosity | 20:40 |
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| travis-ci | it's Wu Lin's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/75842993 | 20:42 |
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| @besser82 | lisitsyn, as I'm thinking / saying ;) | 20:45 |
| @besser82 | and in Python it doesn't matter as well... | 20:46 |
| @besser82 | There any var can be anything | 20:46 |
| @besser82 | a = "Shitty string" | 20:47 |
| @besser82 | b = 1 | 20:47 |
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| @besser82 | c = {b, a} | 20:47 |
| @besser82 | d = a | 20:47 |
| @besser82 | a = b | 20:48 |
| @besser82 | b = d | 20:48 |
| @besser82 | What has which type? :P | 20:48 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, ^ | 20:49 |
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| lisitsyn | besser82: well it doesn't matter until it meets the point it is used as float | 20:50 |
| lisitsyn | like ok so I need to double the C | 20:50 |
| lisitsyn | C *= 2 | 20:50 |
| lisitsyn | kaput | 20:50 |
| @besser82 | lol, yes... | 20:50 |
| @besser82 | but that's like stupid... noone would do so... | 20:51 |
| @besser82 | ... because everyone expects 'C' to be float / double | 20:51 |
| lisitsyn | yes | 20:52 |
| lisitsyn | but with strings we need to force them to write that | 20:52 |
| lisitsyn | I don't think it is a big deal | 20:52 |
| lisitsyn | but not beautiful | 20:52 |
| @besser82 | me neither... | 20:52 |
| @besser82 | but why strings... | 20:52 |
| @besser82 | We can have a CSVM_Class having 'float C {0.0};'-member | 20:53 |
| @besser82 | which is pretty generic through all types of SVM | 20:53 |
| @besser82 | so no need for strings on that | 20:53 |
| lisitsyn | there is always a parameter that is not common for all svms | 20:54 |
| @besser82 | which can be in the class as well | 20:55 |
| @besser82 | but kept uneval'ed when not needed | 20:55 |
| lisitsyn | ok then I have new | 20:55 |
| lisitsyn | megablaster svm | 20:55 |
| lisitsyn | which has the megascore parameter | 20:56 |
| lisitsyn | it doesn't work until you add it to the base class ;) | 20:56 |
| @besser82 | okie... Then let's add it... void* megascore | 20:57 |
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| lisitsyn | will you change api all the time plugin is released? :) | 20:58 |
| @besser82 | we now change API everytime some bug is fixed... :P | 20:58 |
| lisitsyn | I don't say it is very bad but it is quite opposite to the idea of plugins | 20:58 |
| @besser82 | then we need std::map<std::string,<any>> | 20:59 |
| @besser82 | but it wouldn't be too much to enhance API with new plugins | 21:00 |
| lisitsyn | any = need to cast parameters into expected type | 21:00 |
| @besser82 | so more shiatz... :( | 21:00 |
| lisitsyn | no good solution :) | 21:01 |
| @besser82 | so enhancing api from time to time would be the better alternative | 21:02 |
| lisitsyn | we need to pick less bad | 21:02 |
| @besser82 | so changing API ;) | 21:02 |
| lisitsyn | like adding new parameters = changing api? | 21:03 |
| @besser82 | yes | 21:04 |
| lisitsyn | yeah why not | 21:04 |
| @besser82 | so let's-a-do-it =) | 21:04 |
| @besser82 | Will jot down my 'tack-weld' tomorrow | 21:04 |
| lisitsyn | heh | 21:04 |
| @besser82 | so we have lib / templates for doing da plugin-stuff | 21:05 |
| lisitsyn | not really lib but well I think we have some understanding how to do that | 21:06 |
| @besser82 | I'm actually writing on it since a few weeks | 21:07 |
| @besser82 | That should give us all we need to do stuff pretty quick in shogun | 21:08 |
| @besser82 | like 'tack-weld' provides plugin-registry and all needed stuff | 21:08 |
| @besser82 | and is abled to handle several different types / classes of plugins | 21:09 |
| @besser82 | like plugins doing svm, other doing $other stuff | 21:09 |
| @besser82 | we should split off linalg and all stuff as well | 21:10 |
| @besser82 | interfacing maths through plugin too | 21:10 |
| lisitsyn | maybe we don't really need to interface math | 21:10 |
| @besser82 | so we can easily switch between interfaces | 21:10 |
| lisitsyn | ahh | 21:10 |
| lisitsyn | like cpu gpu as plugins? | 21:11 |
| lisitsyn | maybe an overkill | 21:11 |
| lisitsyn | we have just two of them | 21:11 |
| @besser82 | nope should be easy to do ;) | 21:11 |
| lisitsyn | cant see it being that dynamic | 21:11 |
| @besser82 | we have linalg, atlas / blas and Vienna | 21:11 |
| @besser82 | and now we build with conditionals, depending on what's there during compile | 21:12 |
| @besser82 | so doing this abstractly shouldn't be a big deal | 21:12 |
| @besser82 | It think I have plan to do it dynamic... =) | 21:13 |
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| lisitsyn | you'd need to talk to lambday :) | 21:15 |
| lisitsyn | ok time to do some stuff, see you later | 21:15 |
| @besser82 | lisitsyn, a'ight! 'til then! C ya | 21:20 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Wu Lin :develop * 033e60a / tests/unit/neuralnets/NeuralNetwork_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/033e60a892fbeaab412b87fb03fb6276e001bbf8 | 23:07 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: bug fixed | 23:07 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Bj?rn Esser :develop * 228eb3f / tests/unit/neuralnets/NeuralNetwork_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/228eb3f8274a045b5a0aae58031233b43dd1d76c | 23:07 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: Merge pull request #2886 from yorkerlin/develop | 23:07 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: | 23:07 |
| shogun-notifier- | shogun: bug fixed | 23:07 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #1034 of precise - libshogun is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/1034 | 23:28 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #664 of deb4 - python3 is complete: Failure [failed test python modular] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb4%20-%20python3/builds/664 blamelist: Wu Lin <yorker.lin@gmail.com>, Bj?rn Esser <bjoern.esser@gmail.com> | 23:28 |
| shogun-buildbot | build #2680 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed csharp modular] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/2680 blamelist: Bj?rn Esser <bjoern.esser@gmail.com> | 23:36 |
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