IRC logs of #shogun for Monday, 2015-10-12

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lisitsynHeikoS: back!11:37
@HeikoSlisitsyn: jojo11:37
@HeikoShad a nice holiday=?11:38
lisitsynyeap11:38
@HeikoSnice one11:39
@HeikoSlisitsyn: ready to get back to full speed shogun? haha11:39
@HeikoSdid you climb the volcano?11:39
lisitsynHeikoS: well I can give it a try11:39
lisitsynno11:39
lisitsynI was thinking about going excursion by bus11:39
lisitsynbut I realized I want to climb it11:39
lisitsynlike by foot11:39
lisitsynso later :)11:40
lisitsynHeikoS: have you been to loro parque?11:42
lisitsynvisit it in december if not :)11:42
@HeikoSwhat is that?11:44
@HeikoSnope I have not11:44
@HeikoSjust been on the olcano and then on hippie beaches11:44
@HeikoSwith lots oif naked people haha11:44
@HeikoSsaw my mail re modularisation and the ease of putting research code into shogun?11:45
@HeikoSman we have to move with that stuff ..... I stopped putting my own work in -- to much hassle. not good11:45
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lisitsynHeikoS: oh you're back14:50
lisitsynI've seen your mail14:50
@HeikoSlisitsyn: hi14:50
@HeikoSlisitsyn: any thoughts?14:50
lisitsynbut not read it thoroughly yet sorry14:50
lisitsynI got the idea14:50
@wiking:>14:50
lisitsynoh why hello wiking14:51
lisitsynhow are you14:51
@HeikoSwiking: hi!14:51
lisitsynHeikoS: okk14:54
lisitsynHeikoS: I am thinking of my old suggestion14:54
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah me too14:54
lisitsynvery limited api14:54
lisitsynHeikoS: user code (any language) <-> shogun api (not very rich and plugin-oriented) <-> plugins code (any language)14:56
lisitsynwhat about this?14:56
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah14:57
@HeikoSone distinction I would like to add14:57
@HeikoSthere should be some kind of 'core' shogun, providing all low level things needed to implement algorithms14:58
@HeikoSand then some base modules that come with shogun14:58
lisitsynhandling scalars, strings, matrices14:58
lisitsynwith serialization14:58
@HeikoSand if I want to use or develop new things, I never have to even look at the others14:58
lisitsynwe should define basic concepts14:58
lisitsynkernels, features14:58
lisitsynthey are ok14:58
@HeikoSmeaning that if I want to implement a new density estimator, I dont need to compile/dependency meet/or whatever GP stuff14:58
@HeikoSyeah14:58
@HeikoSlisitsyn: that would be a big improvement14:59
@HeikoSand yes I agree14:59
@HeikoSbasic data handling, serialisation,14:59
@HeikoSthen feature representations and linear algebra, maybe computing framework14:59
lisitsynalthough I have a feeling its quite impossible to change the existing code14:59
@HeikoSand then plugins14:59
@HeikoSlisitsyn: we can migrate14:59
@HeikoSusing unit tests that is quite easy14:59
@HeikoSlisitsyn: but what about a minimal proof of concept first15:00
lisitsynyes15:00
@HeikoSthat actually works, coimpiles, installs, etc15:00
@HeikoSand then we port the code15:00
@HeikoSthe algorithm code should not change too much so we are not at risk of loosing many things15:00
@HeikoSalso, we can be dual for some point, i.e. have the old code still in, and then migrate things, just like with the static interfaces15:00
lisitsynHeikoS: yeah15:00
@HeikoSlisitsyn: another question:15:05
@HeikoShow does this conflict with the manual15:05
@HeikoSdoes it in fact?15:06
@HeikoSMight not15:06
lisitsynno, I don't see any reason to conflic15:06
@HeikoSlisitsyn: thats great15:06
lisitsynwell our time?15:06
lisitsyn:)15:06
@HeikoShaha15:06
lisitsynwhich is limited :(15:06
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah manual has to go online first15:06
@HeikoSbut then I think we could work on this15:06
@HeikoSminimal shogun core15:06
@HeikoSlisitsyn:15:10
lisitsynyeap15:10
@HeikoSshall we push the thing, its about to be done anyways15:10
@HeikoSI have a bit more time over the rest of the year15:10
lisitsynHeikoS: we can schedule some time to work together15:10
@HeikoSso can work bits and pieces daily15:10
@HeikoSwhat about later today?15:10
lisitsyncan't promise but if I get some time15:11
@HeikoSlisitsyn: do you remember what we needed to do next=?15:11
@HeikoSlisitsyn: what about the automatic linking of Shogun classes?15:12
lisitsynmanual?15:12
@HeikoSlisitsyn:  yes15:12
lisitsynvaguely15:12
lisitsynHeikoS: I am not sure about shogun classes15:12
lisitsynif we go modular we won't have that :)15:12
@HeikoSlisitsyn: mmh15:13
@HeikoSlisitsyn: why not?15:13
lisitsynbut still we gonna have some base classes15:13
@HeikoSall modules just generate their own doxygen page?15:13
@HeikoSnot possible?15:13
@HeikoSmaybe we need to re-think the doxygen then15:13
lisitsynwell15:13
@HeikoSbut for now, lets keep it in15:13
lisitsynI am considering your case15:14
@HeikoSlisitsyn: sure, but we still would have a build with all modules active right?15:14
lisitsynyes but some modules are not published in shogun15:14
@HeikoSlisitsyn: yeah true15:14
@HeikoSlisitsyn: I think maybe drafting the structure a bit would be good15:14
@HeikoSto know whats within shogun and which layer it sits in15:15
lisitsynyeah15:15
@HeikoSI have to leave now, but happy to discuss later15:15
lisitsynok15:15
@HeikoSlisitsyn: lets finish the manual thing first without thinking too much about the modularisation, just to get started and also it will be progress already15:15
lisitsynyeap15:15
lisitsyngood15:15
@HeikoSmanual backend can be changed later, the process of writing these pages will be the same15:16
@HeikoSlisitsyn: catch up later, I ll say hello again in a bit15:16
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