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| travis-ci | it's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/112957685 | 02:34 |
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| @wiking | lambday: yo | 07:30 |
| @lambday | wiking: yooo | 07:31 |
| @lambday | sonney2k: yeah.. wasted a full year on earthly things :( | 07:31 |
| @wiking | wazza | 07:32 |
| @lambday | wiking: going to join HeikoS this summer | 07:33 |
| @wiking | yeah heard it | 07:33 |
| @lambday | wiking: for an internship in UCL | 07:33 |
| @lambday | wiking: what's up with you? which part of the globe you're in presently? | 07:33 |
| @wiking | now in europe again | 07:33 |
| @wiking | for 3 months | 07:33 |
| @lambday | man do you travel a lot :D | 07:34 |
| @wiking | mmm yeah | 07:34 |
| @wiking | btw anybody knows how to get openining mode of a FILE* | 07:34 |
| @wiking | ? | 07:34 |
| @lambday | don't know if that's possible | 07:38 |
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| Saurabh7 | lambday, around? | 07:57 |
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| sonne|work1 | wiking: fcntl with F_GETFL ? | 09:39 |
| sonne|work1 | wiking: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Getting-File-Status-Flags.html - so just the F_GETFL macro | 09:40 |
| @wiking | sonne|work1: this is for fd i presume | 09:50 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: hey | 09:50 |
| sonne|work1 | wiking - sure | 09:51 |
| sonne|work1 | wiking: but you can easily get the fd from FILE right? | 09:51 |
| @wiking | yep yep | 09:51 |
| @wiking | the only problem is | 09:51 |
| @wiking | that in shoung we are FILE* oriented | 09:51 |
| @wiking | instead of fd | 09:51 |
| @wiking | ie if we get a FILE* we dont automatically open fd | 09:52 |
| @wiking | but if we get an fd we 'convert it' to FILE* :) | 09:52 |
| sonne|work1 | wiking: it would make sense to change the code to just use one of either FILE or fd ... | 09:53 |
| @wiking | i mean we are using FILE* everywhere | 09:53 |
| @wiking | only that we support to work on file that is given by fd | 09:53 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, quick question wrt linalg::dot | 10:12 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, i was trying to get dot product of vectors passed as ptr | 10:13 |
| Saurabh7 | but there seems to be no matching function call although its implemented https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/blob/develop/src/shogun/mathematics/linalg/internal/implementation/Dot.h#L106 | 10:13 |
| Saurabh7 | do you need to expose it in redux module? | 10:14 |
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| @lambday | Saurabh7: hey there | 11:18 |
| @lambday | sorry I was in a meeting.. let me check your question | 11:18 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: yes you're right.. we don't have a wrapper for naked ptrs yet | 11:19 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, ok thats what i thought | 11:20 |
| Saurabh7 | how much faster will it be than CMath :: dot ? | 11:20 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: I'll revisit these things in a few days.. maybe we can do some tricky stuffs so that one doesn't need to pass the length | 11:20 |
| @lambday | using std::begin() and std::end() | 11:20 |
| @lambday | but I guess this is c++14 stuffs | 11:20 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: speed won't be too much of an issue.. | 11:21 |
| @lambday | since the backend is eigen, it will be just as fast if you create an eigen map and do eigen dot | 11:21 |
| Saurabh7 | ok so the loops i see are jsut for the native | 11:21 |
| Saurabh7 | oh alright | 11:22 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: we're thinking of getting rid of native btw.. | 11:22 |
| @wiking | btw where's the actual implementation of eigen dot | 11:23 |
| @wiking | ? | 11:23 |
| @lambday | wiking: you mean the place where we create the maps? | 11:24 |
| @lambday | wiking: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/blob/develop/src/shogun/mathematics/linalg/internal/implementation/Dot.h#L141 | 11:24 |
| @wiking | no i mean in eigen itself | 11:24 |
| @lambday | ah that I'll have to check | 11:25 |
| @lambday | maybe in MatrixBase, not sure | 11:25 |
| @lambday | wiking: https://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/src/30954d1a91e3d9af86eba2096396fdc50c6f8536/Eigen/src/Core/MatrixBase.h?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default#MatrixBase.h-198 | 11:28 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, also any reason why passing ptr should be better than SGVector itself ? | 11:28 |
| @wiking | lambday: implementation? | 11:28 |
| @lambday | wiking: checking | 11:28 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: no reason.. but if in your impl you use, say, std::vector or std::unique_ptr<T[]> or naked ptr itself, you'd still be able to use linalg::dot with the same interface.. that was the goal | 11:29 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: it's far from the goal as I can see :| | 11:29 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, ok :) | 11:30 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, the reason i ask is when i replace smth like float64_t* avec=((CDenseFeatures<float64_t>*) lhs)->get_feature_vector(idx_a, alen, afree); | 11:31 |
| Saurabh7 | with | 11:31 |
| Saurabh7 | SGVector<float64_t> avec=((CDenseFeatures<float64_t>*) lhs)->get_feature_vector(idx_a); | 11:31 |
| Saurabh7 | and use dot | 11:31 |
| Saurabh7 | SGVector one is slower for some reason | 11:31 |
| @lambday | wiking: https://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/src/30954d1a91e3d9af86eba2096396fdc50c6f8536/Eigen/src/Core/Dot.h?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default | 11:32 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: it creates an eigen map and destroys it that causes some overhead maybe.. | 11:32 |
| @lambday | so you've noticed that native performs better? | 11:33 |
| @lambday | that's interesting! | 11:33 |
| @lambday | is the difference significant? | 11:33 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, right now i am using ptrs and CMath::dot | 11:33 |
| Saurabh7 | and its a bit faster | 11:33 |
| Saurabh7 | ia m playing with kmeans and distance computations | 11:33 |
| @lambday | yeah that just runs a loop.. | 11:33 |
| @lambday | okay | 11:34 |
| @wiking | lambday: i have couple of wondering thoughts in my head: a) would eigen be able to use sse4.2 dot product ? :) | 11:34 |
| @wiking | b) whether eigen expects the underlying memory aligned? | 11:34 |
| @lambday | wiking: I had a hunch that you'd be asking about simd thing :D | 11:35 |
| @lambday | not sure.. I'll have to check.. maybe lisitsyn knows.. | 11:36 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: I'd bet that the overhead is due to temporary object creation.. gcc vectorizes the loop in a similar way for native also I guess.. so if eigen guys are not doing anything explicit, the product code would be same | 11:38 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, i will comment in a issue with the differences because it can be a bit significant | 11:39 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, oh alright | 11:39 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: that would be great! It might give some motivation to keep the poor NATIVE backend still alive.. | 11:39 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: btw have you tried viennacl dot? you may be surprised | 11:40 |
| @lambday | dot<Backend::VIENNACL>(a,b) | 11:41 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, so you wouldn't expect better with eigen and naked ptr ? | 11:41 |
| Saurabh7 | no i havent , ned to try | 11:41 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: I never thought that the map creation part can pose any significant overhead.. so I expected eigen dot to rather be a bit better than native, for large enough vectors.. | 11:42 |
| @lambday | but small ones, it may be a bit slow | 11:42 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: check with vectors of size 1bil | 11:43 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, ok | 11:45 |
| Saurabh7 | but i wasnt testing the dot in isolation | 11:45 |
| Saurabh7 | regarding the issue https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/2987 | 11:45 |
| Saurabh7 | so there might be other things going on | 11:45 |
| @lambday | Saurabh7: great discussion man! | 11:46 |
| @lambday | for these things, we need profiler | 11:47 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, :) i was using the dot in distance computations for dataset arnd 2000 isntances | 11:48 |
| Saurabh7 | 20k | 11:48 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, ye i saw your benchamrks | 11:48 |
| Saurabh7 | i need to try that out | 11:48 |
| @lambday | if we can figure out the part of the algorithm that stalls us for the longest, we'll focus on that.. eigen dot/native dot may not be the bottleneck | 11:49 |
| Saurabh7 | yup we figured most of the parts and after changing the distance things too its much better | 11:52 |
| Saurabh7 | lambday, but the dot thing came up because i used linalg::dot with sgvectors and the performace decreased | 11:54 |
| Saurabh7 | but its not a big issue | 11:54 |
| Saurabh7 | thanks though :) | 11:55 |
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| sonne|work1 | performance of dot largely depends on #dims of the data... | 12:02 |
| sonne|work1 | I mean with 2d data the overhead of even using eigen is probably making dot look lousy | 12:02 |
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| Saurabh7 | I used data with ~70 attributes tho | 12:14 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #1122 of precise - libshogun is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/1122 | 13:52 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #1144 of FCRH - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/FCRH%20-%20libshogun/builds/1144 blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>, youssef <youssef.emad.attia@gmail.com> | 14:07 |
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| sonne|work1 | Saurabh7: maybe we should benchmark starting with 2 dims going to say 100k dims logarithmically | 14:14 |
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| travis-ci | it's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/113108233 | 14:50 |
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| @wiking | HeikoS: ping | 16:13 |
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| Saurabh7 | sonne|work1, yes that would be a good idea , will add it to my list :) | 16:28 |
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| @HeikoS | wiking: ping | 16:41 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: whazup? | 16:41 |
| @wiking | mmm | 16:45 |
| @wiking | what did i want? ) | 16:45 |
| @wiking | good question | 16:45 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: haha ;) | 16:47 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: I have few things: eigen3, html upload, and c++11 | 16:47 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: oh and did you see this docker cloud thing? | 16:48 |
| lisitsyn | meh | 16:50 |
| @HeikoS | lisitsyn: muuuuuh | 16:51 |
| @HeikoS | wiking: notebooks on website are broken, do you have any idea on that? | 16:52 |
| @HeikoS | build seems to work | 16:52 |
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| travis-ci | it's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/113155414 | 20:40 |
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| bollu | heh, that's a cool mesage | 20:54 |
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| shogun-buildbot | build #589 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/589 blamelist: youssef <youssef.emad.attia@gmail.com> | 22:05 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: ping | 22:22 |
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