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shogun-buildbotbuild #84 of xenial - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/xenial%20-%20libshogun/builds/84  blamelist: Wu Lin <yorkerlin@users.noreply.github.com>, Wu Lin <yorker.lin@gmail.com>03:27
shogun-buildbotbuild #34 of clang - thread analysis is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/clang%20-%20thread%20analysis/builds/34  blamelist: Wu Lin <yorkerlin@users.noreply.github.com>, Wu Lin <yorker.lin@gmail.com>04:28
shogun-buildbotbuild #32 of clang - undefined behaviour analysis is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/clang%20-%20undefined%20behaviour%20analysis/builds/32  blamelist: Wu Lin <yorkerlin@users.noreply.github.com>, Wu Lin <yorker.lin@gmail.com>04:32
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shogun-notifier-shogun: OXPHOS :feature/linalg_refactor * d9a5915 / src/shogun/mathematics/linalg/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/d9a5915331a752f8af8eede3d6752c3c9ae2895110:34
shogun-notifier-shogun: rename gnu memory data method10:34
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/linalg_refactor * 960492e / src/shogun/mathematics/linalg/ (2 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/960492edf8d7a96ecff3dcdab57e139ce0b88f4110:34
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #3383 from OXPHOS/linalg_refactor_210:34
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shogun-notifier-shogun: LinalgRefactor - rename gpumemory data method10:34
shogun-notifier-shogun: christopher :develop * 81ce1a5 / / (5 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/81ce1a52c7d2c681e7b66502e43225de2129bd8110:49
shogun-notifier-shogun: History fixing10:49
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Update to LARs based Shogun Maintainers responses10:49
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Fix for interfaces10:49
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * e72454d / / (5 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e72454dee6024b91460efc86702d9688386d36bd10:49
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #3313 from c4goldsw/develop10:49
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Updated LARS so that it can support multiple floating point word sizes10:49
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shogun-buildbotbuild #1306 of precise - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/1306  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>, christopher <christopher.goldsworthy@outlook.com>11:00
shogun-buildbotbuild #2948 of bsd1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed configure]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/bsd1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2948  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>, christopher <christopher.goldsworthy@outlook.com>11:07
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shogun-buildbotbuild #85 of xenial - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/xenial%20-%20libshogun/builds/85  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>, christopher <christopher.goldsworthy@outlook.com>11:15
@wikingHeikoS: so yeah inplace stuff are a bit tricky11:34
@HeikoSwiking: jo!11:34
@HeikoSI think everything that can be inplace should be in place11:34
@HeikoSadd, scale, etc11:34
@HeikoSelement-wise11:35
@wikingyeap try those examples11:35
@wikingthat i wrte11:35
@wiking*wrote11:35
@HeikoSchecking11:35
@wikingyou'll realise how much is the performance diff11:35
@wiking(you can clearly see the reason of it with running perf stat -d11:35
@HeikoSah yeah11:35
@wikingbut yeah i do agree that inplace is cleaner11:35
@wikingbecause it conserves memory11:35
@HeikoSYeah I get it11:35
@wikingbut we should have option for both11:36
@HeikoSwhat about this:11:36
@wikingand then let the developer decide what he wants11:36
@HeikoSuser passes result memory?11:36
@wikinga) speed b) waste memory11:36
@HeikoSand by default it is NULL11:36
@wikingwhy's that better than11:36
@HeikoSwhich means the method allocates11:36
@wikingallocating for the user11:36
@HeikoSits the same11:36
@HeikoSjust a bit more genereal11:36
@HeikoSas I can pass already allocated memory11:37
@wikingand how do you imagine in place?11:37
@HeikoSyou pass the thing itself as result storage11:37
@wikingyou have to be very careful now:)11:37
@wikinghehe yeah11:37
@wikingthink where that can go fuck11:37
@wiking:P11:37
@wikingit's not that straightforward11:37
@HeikoSisnt it the same as in place?11:37
@HeikoSI mean for add, etc11:37
@wikingnot really11:37
@HeikoSfor multiply of course not11:37
@HeikoSmmh11:38
@wikingso are we sure that we gonna have operations11:38
@wikingwhere always11:38
@HeikoSI would only offer this for operations where it is safe11:38
@wiking*always* everything is over one consequtive memory chunk?11:38
@HeikoSotherwise allocate11:38
@wikingthis will make the interface a bit shitty no?11:39
@wikingi mean11:39
@HeikoSyeah maybe11:39
@HeikoSI mean we have two things11:39
@wikingVector scale(const Vector& a, scale)11:39
@wikingor11:39
@wikingvoid scale(Vector& a, scale)11:39
@wikingthose are like 2 examples right?11:39
@HeikoS1) inplace/newly allocated 2) I want to use some buffer memory for result11:39
@wikingfirst one is simple allocates11:40
@wikingsecond one clearly does it inplace11:40
@wikingthis way you save some stuff as well right11:40
@wikingbecause of const Vector& vs Vector&11:40
@HeikoSah yeah I like the const11:40
@wikingin your unified api11:40
@wikingthat would be always11:40
@HeikoShow to provide a result storage pointer?11:40
@HeikoSthe second one would have that11:41
@HeikoSehm11:41
@HeikoSfirst11:41
@wikingvoid scale(Vector& a, scale, Vector& output = nullptr);11:41
@wikingmmm11:41
@HeikoSno that one not11:41
@HeikoSsince it is inplace11:41
@HeikoSthe const one11:41
@wikingor maybe you could still do th11:41
@wikingvoid scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output = nullptr);11:41
@wikingbecause the input is always const11:41
@HeikoSVector scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output = nullptr)11:42
@wikingwonder how's the performance11:42
@HeikoSreturns the output ptr if used11:42
@wikingyeah but why do you need return value?11:42
@wiking:D11:42
@wikingi mean in that caseu11:42
@HeikoSif output=null11:42
@wikingoutput will have the value :P11:42
@HeikoStrue11:42
@wikingbut you can change the reference rigT?: )11:42
@HeikoSjust for being able to use it in the same way11:42
@HeikoSa=scale( ... )11:42
@wikingeh it's then ugly11:42
@wikingbecuase if you do it inplace11:43
@HeikoSyeah11:43
@HeikoSmmh11:43
@wikingthen you return11:43
@wikingoutput11:43
@HeikoSok then11:43
@wikingwhereas you already have output11:43
@wikingor?11:43
@HeikoSyeah11:43
@HeikoSwhat do we converge on?11:43
@wikingmmm11:43
@wikinggood question11:43
@HeikoSthere should be some global mechanism11:43
@HeikoSlike a method that is called from every linalg method that does things11:43
@HeikoSand then the linalg methods dont do case distinction anymore11:43
@HeikoSbut we definitely want the fexibility11:44
@HeikoSto manually allocate, automatically allocate, inplace11:44
@HeikoSdidnt think about the L1 cache thing, very good point11:44
@HeikoSespecially with 2048 elements haha11:45
@HeikoSnerdy number11:45
@HeikoSwiking: so we should have two options11:45
@wikingjust a sec11:45
@HeikoSvoid scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output = nullptr);11:46
@HeikoSwhich handles manual allocation and inplace11:46
@HeikoSand11:46
@HeikoSVector scale(const Vector& a, scale)11:46
@HeikoSwhich does automatic allocation11:46
@HeikoSwiking: goos?11:46
@HeikoSgood11:46
@HeikoSnot goose11:46
@HeikoSgoose are for xmas11:47
@wikingmmm11:47
@wikingi mean in that case i thinkg11:47
@wikingvoid scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output = nullptr); should be enough11:47
@wikingfor everything11:47
@wikingbut then11:47
@wikingrather11:47
@wikingvoid scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output);11:47
@wikingso you always have to pass output11:48
@wikingit's shitty :(11:48
@wikingi mean11:48
@wikingvoid scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output)11:48
@wikingoutput should be always != NULL11:48
@HeikoSyou mean one can just ass empty ouput11:48
@HeikoSdont like this passing result structures as parameters really11:49
@HeikoSmost of the time its not necessary, just if I want to give pre-allocated buffer11:49
@HeikoSthis is why I like returning it11:50
@HeikoSfor easy syntax in default case (without buffer=)11:50
@HeikoSbut I agree it appearing twice it shiatz11:50
@HeikoSso what to do?11:50
@HeikoSwiking: I also dont want to re-invent all these APIs11:54
@HeikoSwiking: question also is whether we really need those super sophisticated things11:54
@HeikoSI mean, lets be realistic11:54
@HeikoSWHAT is needed in 80% of the cases?11:55
@HeikoSdo we need pre-allocated buffers?11:55
@HeikoSdo we need inplace? or do we want to be fast11:56
@HeikoSso in that sense, we could default to automatic new allocation and then directly use that ore copy11:56
@HeikoSOR, if that happens to be a problem in the particular situation, we can add a method just for that case11:56
@HeikoSso we dont get lost in these discussions now11:56
@HeikoSwiking: thoughts?11:56
@wikingmmm11:56
@wikinga) we need inplace + allocated buffer11:56
@wikingso this is a must11:57
@wiking(having both)11:57
@HeikoSwe will need it sometimes, but why dont we add it if we need it?11:57
@HeikoSthats my point11:57
@HeikoSbecause allocating output vectors for things doesnt take long anyways11:57
@HeikoSonly critical if we add say matrices that are really big11:58
@wikingbut what are yo usaying ?)11:58
@wikingi mean can we have 2 simple api?11:58
@wiking1 for inplace and 1 for not inplace?11:58
@HeikoSyeah we can11:58
@wikingand for the none inplace i dont care how it is11:58
@wikingpreallocated or not :)11:58
@HeikoSyeah ok11:58
@wikingi mean if you care about how the memory is handled11:59
@HeikoSone just wraps the other11:59
@wikingthat's why we have SG_MALLOC11:59
@HeikoSyeah sure sure11:59
@wikingthat you can add your own memory management library11:59
@wikingthat does whatever you want11:59
@HeikoSok then11:59
@HeikoSIll tell OXPHOS to implement the pre-allocated method11:59
@HeikoSand then wrap it with an automatic allocation one12:00
@HeikoSgood?12:00
@wikingcan you paste it here plz12:00
@HeikoSvoid scale(const Vector& a, scale, Vector& output)12:00
@HeikoSimplements the operation12:00
@HeikoSassumes that output is allocated12:01
@HeikoSah12:01
@HeikoSI am getting lost12:01
@HeikoSa second12:01
@wikingk12:01
@HeikoSwiking: so12:08
@HeikoShttps://gist.github.com/karlnapf/28e1ea447d3d625f2205d303599fa4ff12:08
@HeikoSinplace ... mmh12:09
@wikinghttps://gist.github.com/karlnapf/28e1ea447d3d625f2205d303599fa4ff#file-gistfile1-txt-L812:09
@wikingyou mean12:09
@wikingVector& scale(Vector& a, float scale)12:09
@wikingright?12:09
@wikingor rather12:09
@wikingVector& scale(const Vector& a, float scale)12:09
@HeikoSyes12:10
@HeikoSlemme update12:10
@HeikoSnot sure about reference12:10
@wikingyeah of course reference12:11
@wikingwhat else? :)12:11
@HeikoSupdated again12:11
@HeikoSand again12:11
@HeikoS;)12:11
@HeikoSok now12:11
@HeikoSand we put a warning sticker in the docs for the inplace case12:12
@HeikoSman I am in france for multipitching but it is fucking raining!!!12:13
@HeikoSso all that is left to do is eating jam and cheese ;)12:13
@HeikoSand shogun of course haha12:13
@HeikoSwiking: Ill send this to OXPHOS then12:13
@HeikoSactually, would like to automate the second method somehow, think we can do that?12:13
@HeikoSso that every method we implement automatically gets that12:13
@wikinghttps://gist.github.com/karlnapf/28e1ea447d3d625f2205d303599fa4ff#file-gistfile1-txt-L1112:14
@wikingmissing a return12:14
@wikingbut yeah12:14
@HeikoSyep will add12:14
@HeikoSand automatic?12:14
@wikinghehe like a template?12:15
@wiking:)12:15
@HeikoSyeah12:15
@HeikoSI dont want all this double code and doc12:15
@wikingyep sure12:15
@HeikoSit should just be auto generated12:15
@wikingwith c++11 templating12:15
@wikinga lot of nice stuff can be done12:15
@HeikoSknow how to do that?12:15
@HeikoSwanna modify the gist?12:15
@wikingmmm our guests just arrived12:16
@wiking:))))12:16
@HeikoSokok12:16
@wikingso i think lea is already pisee :)12:16
@wikingthat i'm writing here :P12:16
@HeikoSis your wife called lea?12:16
@HeikoShaha12:16
@HeikoSlea here is sitting next to me12:16
@wikingnow the whole internet willl know :))))12:16
@wikingwho? :)12:16
@wikingwhere ?:)12:16
@wikingwhat? :D12:16
@wiking-gs12:16
@HeikoSapparently we are sharing ;)12:17
@HeikoSnow the internet knows12:17
@wikinghehe yeah but so who's next to you where? :)12:17
@HeikoSnevermind ;)12:17
@wikingthat's why i said12:17
@wikinggs12:17
@wikingjust to clarify12:17
@wikingbecuaase i' not sure if i got alll  of it12:17
@wikingor i imagine too much into it12:17
@wiking:P12:17
@HeikoSgs?12:17
@HeikoSI am not up to date with internet slang12:18
@wikingthe gs channel12:18
@wiking:)12:18
@HeikoSah12:18
@HeikoShaha12:18
@HeikoSah man12:18
@wikingit's shogun slang12:18
@wiking:)12:18
@HeikoStoo much cheese12:18
@wikinghahahahahahahha12:18
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * 33167c8 / examples/meta/generator/targets/cpp.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/33167c809b2cd775b86893ab5916e3918b15d6a512:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: add matrix and vector types for cpp12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * 118c6da / examples/meta/generator/targets/cpp.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/118c6da3673105ec19ad8542f2bd3c4be798d05e12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: added long real vector and matrix12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * b0c8f34 / examples/meta/src/tests/matrix_types.sg,examples/meta/src/tests/vector_types.sg: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/b0c8f349b7061e671f0c85e6487a22edfe2a4bda12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: meta example tests for vector and matrix types12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * 2d48578 / examples/meta/src/tests/matrix_types.sg,examples/meta/src/tests/vector_types.sg: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/2d48578972b110212de81b612e11bc8b4dfa542812:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: not test long real vector for now, travis doesn't like it12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * e1d86ba / examples/meta/src/tests/matrix_types.sg,examples/meta/src/tests/vector_types.sg: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e1d86bac4a52bebd64d9ac55d7c86023772c36ac12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: use correct syntax for booleans12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * 15850fb / examples/meta/generator/targets/ruby.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/15850fbb1a6374a5d6171c0d1a76119d0b3ced9d12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: add matrix and vector instantiations12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * a56a9c4 / examples/meta/generator/targets/ruby.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/a56a9c4c08770903d5b24abc3b05071e985be91612:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: fix typos12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * 41419c0 / examples/meta/generator/targets/ruby.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/41419c06c14ad5bb7b4bd3de9ae6cf7c0117e23412:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: working ruby meta example tests for vector and matrix12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :feature/meta_vector_matrix * 51520ed / examples/meta/generator/targets/java.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/51520ed462fdd02624141a15842977409e49bcfa12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: (non-working) draft for java matrix and vector types12:36
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 33167c8 / examples/meta/generator/targets/cpp.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/33167c809b2cd775b86893ab5916e3918b15d6a512:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: add matrix and vector types for cpp12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 118c6da / examples/meta/generator/targets/cpp.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/118c6da3673105ec19ad8542f2bd3c4be798d05e12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: added long real vector and matrix12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * b0c8f34 / examples/meta/src/tests/matrix_types.sg,examples/meta/src/tests/vector_types.sg: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/b0c8f349b7061e671f0c85e6487a22edfe2a4bda12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: meta example tests for vector and matrix types12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 2d48578 / examples/meta/src/tests/matrix_types.sg,examples/meta/src/tests/vector_types.sg: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/2d48578972b110212de81b612e11bc8b4dfa542812:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: not test long real vector for now, travis doesn't like it12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * e1d86ba / examples/meta/src/tests/matrix_types.sg,examples/meta/src/tests/vector_types.sg: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e1d86bac4a52bebd64d9ac55d7c86023772c36ac12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: use correct syntax for booleans12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 15850fb / examples/meta/generator/targets/ruby.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/15850fbb1a6374a5d6171c0d1a76119d0b3ced9d12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: add matrix and vector instantiations12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * a56a9c4 / examples/meta/generator/targets/ruby.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/a56a9c4c08770903d5b24abc3b05071e985be91612:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: fix typos12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 41419c0 / examples/meta/generator/targets/ruby.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/41419c06c14ad5bb7b4bd3de9ae6cf7c0117e23412:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: working ruby meta example tests for vector and matrix12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 51520ed / examples/meta/generator/targets/java.json: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/51520ed462fdd02624141a15842977409e49bcfa12:41
shogun-notifier-shogun: (non-working) draft for java matrix and vector types12:41
shogun-buildbotbuild #1307 of precise - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/precise%20-%20libshogun/builds/1307  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>12:45
@HeikoSwiking: we can disable precise now I guess12:48
@wikingno12:48
@wikingi really think we need one more releae12:48
@wikingbefore killing it12:48
@wikinghave already a patch for that12:48
@wikingalmost12:48
@wikingstd::hash i need something12:49
@wikingand then i can patch the develop to still work with none c++11 stuff12:49
@wikingfuck what's happening in france12:49
@wikinginternet keeps dropping somewhere there in a router12:49
@wiking50% packet loss12:50
@HeikoSits the rain12:51
@HeikoSwiking: ah I see12:51
@HeikoSok then, lets keep it alive12:51
@HeikoSsince we merged a few patches recently12:51
@HeikoSthat broke it12:51
@HeikoSthought you were up for iut12:51
@HeikoSbut ok, we can wait12:51
@wikingadn then we can still keep it with another compiler :P12:51
@wikingtill 2017 april12:51
@wikingthat's the EOL of precise12:51
@HeikoSI wont be able to make the GPL transition before september though12:51
@HeikoSokok12:51
@HeikoSwiking: what about OXPOHS patches?12:52
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