IRC logs of #shogun for Thursday, 2016-11-17

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--- Log opened Thu Nov 17 00:00:01 2016
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@wikingbut story is the same00:00
@wikingwith any dynamic languages00:00
@wikingit's just going INSANE00:00
@wikingwhen you have 20+ people00:00
@wikingtouching the same codebase00:00
lisitsyn2+00:00
@wikingand then whatever comes and whatever returns00:00
@wikingand there's no compiler00:00
@wikingthat can actually like point out BASIC errors00:00
@wiking:)00:00
@wikingany compiled language :)00:00
lisitsynI finally can sleep00:00
lisitsynbecause well00:00
@wiking:D00:00
lisitsynI can't fucking sleep when my code is anytime to break00:01
@HeikoSwiking: btw I checked the sfc00:02
@wikingyeah i know that feeling00:02
@HeikoSlots of projects in there00:02
@wikingyep00:02
@wikinglike boost00:02
@wiking:)00:02
@HeikoSWhat turns me a bit off is this GPL enforcement thing they seem to spend a lot of effort on00:02
@wikingah but i mean00:02
lisitsynboost00:03
lisitsynTRIGGERED00:03
@wikingthat's when you have gpl00:03
@HeikoSlisitsyn: git is in there00:03
@HeikoSBuildbot00:03
@HeikoSwine00:03
@HeikoSSWIG00:03
lisitsynSWIG00:04
lisitsynTRIGGERED00:04
@HeikoShaha00:04
@HeikoSa JIT version of python as well00:04
lisitsynPYTHON00:04
lisitsynwiking: ^00:04
@HeikoSwiking: I mean that in the sense that they seem to spend effort on this, where we don't care about it00:04
@HeikoSwe care about them getting us funds :)00:04
@wikingHeikoS, yeah but they do that00:05
@wiking:)00:05
@HeikoSI am waiting for the details :)00:06
@HeikoSI will write to the Numfocus guy on Monday after the chat with gunnar00:06
@HeikoSmaybe we come up with more questions00:06
@HeikoSwiking: thing is with the exclusive, there is numpy00:06
@HeikoSwhich is part of PSF00:06
@HeikoSlisitsyn: meh00:08
@HeikoSTRIGGER00:08
lisitsynyeap00:08
lisitsynSORRY00:08
@HeikoSwiking, lisitsyn so speaking of shit software00:08
@HeikoSwho is fixing all the mess? :D00:08
lisitsyndrop it00:08
@HeikoShahaha00:08
@wiking:D00:08
@HeikoS5.1 milestone is growing rather than shrinking00:08
@HeikoSlisitsyn: oh btw00:08
@HeikoSyou have any idea why the R includes in the sg_print_functions.cpp are "extern C"00:09
lisitsynfor a reason00:09
@HeikoSwhat is the reason?00:09
lisitsynno idea00:09
lisitsynhahaha!00:09
lisitsynok ok00:09
@HeikoSthe manual says that is a nogo00:09
lisitsynwhich manual00:10
@HeikoSand the latest R version doesnt compile because of that00:10
@HeikoSRE00:10
@HeikoSR00:10
@HeikoSI have this PR with hack00:10
@HeikoSbut I would much rather just remove the extern C00:10
@HeikoSbut dont know about old R versions and thought maybe you know00:10
lisitsyn.cpp + extern C00:10
lisitsyndoesn't make much sense to me00:10
lisitsynhowever00:10
lisitsynah00:10
lisitsynno it makes sense00:10
@HeikoSon my setup I can remove btw00:10
@HeikoSand no problem00:10
lisitsynHeikoS: well C++ has no abi you know00:11
lisitsynso extern C tries to bless you00:11
@HeikoSthing is00:12
@HeikoSR doesnt want you to do that00:12
@HeikoSand since 3.3.0 it breaks if you do it00:12
lisitsynHeikoS: breaks like?00:12
@HeikoSthe R headers have C includes00:12
@HeikoSso one gets conflicting definitions00:12
lisitsynsheez00:13
@HeikoSlet me find the issue00:13
@HeikoShttps://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/346000:13
@HeikoSscrolls to the end and see my patch00:14
@HeikoSwiking: man00:17
@wiking?00:17
@HeikoSthe SFC agreement is copy paste to nmumfocus00:17
@HeikoSthey have the same Project Fund/Variance Power.00:17
@HeikoSthis is a standard mechanic00:17
@wikingbut then you misread something about numfocus00:17
@wikingbecause sfc for sure does not require exclusivity00:17
@HeikoSah no! here we go00:20
@HeikoSthere IS a difference00:20
@HeikoSthey have the same words for the creating of a fund for the project00:20
@HeikoSand then NumFocus has this thing:00:20
@HeikoSAll donations from funding sources including those listed in §A above would be the property of NumFOCUS and all funds received would need to be made to NumFOCUS.00:20
@HeikoSand the SCF dont have that00:20
@HeikoSeven though the rest of paragraph is identical00:20
@wikingso yeah then00:21
@wikingone is quite restrictive00:21
@HeikoSbut everything that is put into the fund00:21
@HeikoSis theirs00:21
@wikingyeye00:21
@wikingthat's standard00:21
@HeikoSwell not terribly restrictive right?00:21
@wikingi mean00:21
@wikingin case of SFC i know that they allow00:22
@HeikoScan still take funding from anyone00:22
@wikinghaving member affiliation with anybod00:22
@HeikoSjust has to go to NumFocus00:22
@wikingy00:22
@HeikoSyeah sure I get that00:22
@wikingyeah but why?00:22
@wikingi mean what happens00:22
@HeikoSI will ask them00:22
@wikingif one day we say00:22
@wikingok fuck this00:22
@HeikoSI am puzzled by numpy00:22
@wikingwe want our own eV?00:22
@wikingi mean i know that in case SFC00:22
@wikingthey already did this00:22
@wikingand have an exit procedure00:22
@wikingbut then again they allow to be member of multiple umbrella organisations00:22
@wikingso there's actually no real need to leave them00:23
@wikingeven if you start your own organisation00:23
@HeikoSyep true00:23
@wikingwhereas in case of numfocus00:23
@wikingyou have to do something00:23
@wikingand i wonder if thye had an exit procedure already00:23
@wikingor that's something that they'll figure out00:23
@wikingone day00:23
@wikingwhen that happens00:23
@HeikoSthey have very similar things in the contract00:23
@HeikoSin fact copy paste :)00:24
@wikingyeah i guess that's like00:24
@wikinga standard00:24
@wikingC3 thingy00:24
@HeikoSI really wonder00:24
@HeikoSI mean the contracts are de factor the same00:24
@HeikoSso I wonder what NumFocus guys will say to that thing with the exclusive00:24
@HeikoSmust be intended00:24
@HeikoSI wonder why00:24
@HeikoSand whether it is right00:24
@HeikoSbut again the numpy puzzles me00:25
@HeikoSso will just ask and then we can discuss more00:25
@HeikoSlisitsyn: you had a look?00:30
@sukeyPull Request #3536 "Test for transposing a Square SGSparseMatrix ."  closed by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/353600:32
@sukeyPull Request #3544 "Replace pointers with SGVector"  closed by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/354400:33
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@wikinghuuuuuuuuuuuu02:00
@wikinglisitsyn,02:00
@wikingthis is when things get02:00
@wikingsuper fuckedup02:00
@wikinghttps://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-foundation/02:00
@wiking;)02:00
@wikingwhere did the 90s go? :D02:00
@sukeyIssue #3545 "Remove msinttypes dependency" opened by TianShengLi - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/354502:12
@sukeyIssue #3545 "Remove msinttypes dependency" closed by vigsterkr - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/354502:14
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@sukeyPull Request #3546 "echo solution for CMake error , for no meta example"  opened by hongguangguo - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/354604:48
@sukeyPull Request #3546 "echo solution for CMake error , for no meta example" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/354604:49
@sukeyPull Request #3282 "cookbook - CARTree -  classification tree"  synchronized by OXPHOS - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/328206:06
@sukeyNew Commit "Fixed the segfault in last failing cell in the MMD notebook06:19
@sukey- Present state of the notebook at this commit:06:19
@sukey  https://gist.github.com/lambday/2fb59fbf828e8ad38bff0f2c095c1edc" to shogun-toolbox/shogun by lambday: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/e02a0faa1fba958c37dd12e930f96bc4b3e943e906:19
@sukeyPull Request #3529 "Add Time comparison for KD_TREE. "  synchronized by sudk1896 - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/352907:30
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travis-ciit's lambday's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/17660271807:33
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@sukeyPull Request #3543 "Replace pointer and vlen with SGVector in QDA."  synchronized by sudk1896 - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/354307:58
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praisethemoongood day.09:28
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@wikinghi11:24
praisethemoonwiking, hello.11:25
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lisitsynHeikoS: hey12:29
@HeikoSlisitsyn: jo12:29
@HeikoSwassup12:29
lisitsyndon'task12:29
lisitsyn:D12:29
lisitsynHeikoS: are you at nips this year?12:29
@HeikoSyes12:30
@HeikoSbut I dont have ticket12:30
@HeikoSonly workshop yet12:30
@HeikoSso ill just hang out12:30
@HeikoSyou coming?12:30
lisitsynyes!12:30
@HeikoSwe should hack a bit12:30
lisitsynyes12:30
lisitsynsitting seaside12:30
lisitsyneating paella and shoguning!12:31
lisitsynHeikoS: so when are you coming?12:31
@HeikoSim already there a bit earlier12:31
@HeikoSmeeting a friend12:31
@HeikoS2nd12:31
lisitsynoh ocol12:32
lisitsyncool12:32
lisitsynI am arriving 4th12:32
lisitsynHeikoS: I stay at ac hotel if it matters12:32
@HeikoSIm in a cool flat :)12:33
@HeikoSreccomend the same for you :)12:33
lisitsynHeikoS: I am paid12:34
lisitsynHeikoS: its business trip :P12:34
@HeikoSwell12:35
@HeikoSthats why I got no ticket12:35
lisitsynyeap12:35
@HeikoSsince all the businesses bought them all12:35
lisitsynyes12:35
lisitsynlong ago12:35
@HeikoSwill be cool to see you12:35
@HeikoSlets really do some hack12:35
lisitsynyes lets merge tags12:35
@HeikoSwas soo cool in SF with wiking and his friend12:35
@HeikoSyes exactly12:35
@HeikoSand get the serial stuff in12:35
@HeikoSlast nips was cookbook12:35
@HeikoSpretty good as well12:36
@HeikoSgiven that it is online now12:36
lisitsynoh12:36
lisitsynreally12:36
lisitsynwe've done something about that at nips12:36
@HeikoSyes dude12:37
@HeikoSyou have to stop working so much12:37
@HeikoSyour brain takes damage12:37
@HeikoSand your determination!!!12:37
@HeikoSsucked in :D12:37
lisitsynwhat brain?12:37
@HeikoSdont let it happen man12:37
@HeikoSresist12:37
lisitsynHeikoS: but I need to keep my salary at the same $ level12:38
lisitsyn:D12:38
@HeikoSotherwise there will be more and more 2day stable python code12:38
@HeikoSno you dont12:38
@HeikoSwhy?12:38
lisitsyngood q!12:38
@HeikoSok ill close compuer now12:38
@HeikoSguitar time :)12:38
@HeikoSsee you later12:38
lisitsynhappy guy12:38
@HeikoSlooking forward to the nips hack12:38
lisitsynyeap12:39
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CaBahi12:55
@wikingho12:59
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@sukeyPull Request #3543 "Replace pointer and vlen with SGVector in QDA."  synchronized by sudk1896 - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/354313:38
@sukeyPull Request #3546 "echo solution for CMake error , for no meta example"  synchronized by hongguangguo - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/354614:49
CaBawiking: holy crap, was on vacation for two weeks, now everything is upside down! what have you done? :D17:17
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CaBaHeikoS: heya17:24
CaBa:)17:24
sonne|workbtw guys17:27
sonne|workhttps://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/17:27
sonne|workhttp://home.gmane.org/2016/09/06/reboot-v1/17:27
sonne|workso gmane (indexing our mailinglist) will at some point be back :)17:29
Saurabh7interesting ;)17:31
@wikingCaBa, :))))17:34
@wikingsonne|work, some point :)17:35
sonne|workwiking: yeah considering the last progress was in oct..17:35
@wiking:D17:37
CaBawould anybody maybe enlighten me about this problem? stackoverflow.com/questions/40359913/17:38
CaBahttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/40359913/17:38
@HeikoSCaBa: hi, I saw your email17:47
@HeikoSthe news is: we did 5.0 release17:47
@HeikoSwhich was some work :)17:47
@HeikoSand now I am fixing things17:47
@HeikoSthat needs urgent fix17:47
@HeikoSi.e. yesterday17:47
@HeikoSI plan to come back to it17:47
@wiking:>>.17:51
CaBaHeikoS: thanks... i'm really kinda stuck there... if it simply can't be done with the current implementation of those parameter space trees, that's also a response i can live with... then i at least know it's worth to invest time in a workaround...17:51
@sukeyIssue #3548 "Make `meta_examples` make target depend on generator jsons" opened by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/354817:52
@sukeyIssue #3548 "Make `meta_examples` make target depend on generator jsons" karlnapf added label: "cmake" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/354817:52
@sukeyIssue #3548 "Make `meta_examples` make target depend on generator jsons" karlnapf added label: "entrance" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/354817:52
@sukeyIssue #3548 "Make `meta_examples` make target depend on generator jsons"- https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/354817:52
@HeikoSCaBa: you should always be able to do a workaround using manual looping17:52
@HeikoSkinda minimal effort solution, no?17:52
@HeikoSI think we can do this with shogun as well .... but need to check17:52
@wikingchil chil chil17:52
@HeikoSsorry about not having had the time so far17:52
@wikingtake an mkl and chill  :)17:52
@wikinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb-b6hTS4TQ17:52
* wiking is utterly jetlaged17:53
CaBalol17:53
CaBaHeikoS: no worries, thanks for your effort!17:54
@sukeyPull Request #3538 "temporary workaround for #3460"  assigned to: vigsterkr by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/353818:09
@sukeyIssue #3460 "Rmodular cannot be built " assigned to: vigsterkr by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/346018:09
@wikingmiju18:09
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@wikinglisitsyn, for your kids: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/exceptions/runtime.html18:20
lisitsynwiking: isn't it widely known18:21
@wikinglisitsyn, hahahahahahahahahahahahha18:22
@wikinglisitsyn, i have like at least a 10 person conversation18:22
@wikingover *pages*18:22
@wikingwhat's the problem with runtimexception :)18:22
@wikingand still18:22
@wikingi felt like nobody understood :)18:22
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