IRC logs of #shogun for Wednesday, 2017-03-22

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neha	Hello! I'm currently working on a project (HPC's with unsupervised learning). I'm currently looking for a GSoc'17 internship project. I would like to start with this(https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/2718) issue if it's still open! :) Can I?	04:43
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@sukey	Pull Request #3736 "clean up memcpy in swig typemaps" merged by lambday - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3736	06:23
@sukey	New Commit "Merge pull request #3736 from MikeLing/issuefix-3700	06:23
@sukey	clean up memcpy in swig typemaps" to shogun-toolbox/shogun by lambday: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/044780df172e4c48f71030254e94359beaa92d74	06:23
@sukey	Issue #3739 "add swig interface checks to appveyor" opened by vigsterkr - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3739	06:36
@sukey	Issue #3739 "add swig interface checks to appveyor" vigsterkr added label: "SWIG" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3739	06:36
@sukey	Issue #3739 "add swig interface checks to appveyor" vigsterkr added label: "infrastructure" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3739	06:36
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@sukey	Issue #3737 "CARTree can't be imported from modshogun" closed by vigsterkr - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3737	06:38
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travis-ci	it's Soumyajit De's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/213706916	07:19
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shogun-buildbot	build #67 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/nightly_default/builds/67 blamelist: Viktor Gal <vigsterkr@gmail.com>	07:45
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iRmantou	Is there a problem with the subscription in mailing list?	08:11
@wiking	mmm	08:12
iRmantou	=。=！ I can't subscribe it, It's just a blank page, Only I am in this case?	08:17
@sukey	Issue #3737 "CARTree can't be imported from modshogun"- https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3737	08:24
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mikeling	iRmantou: what's the meaning of a blank page?	09:18
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iRmantou	I check the "Subscribe" under MAILING LIST on our website and there is only a page with	09:33
iRmantou	no comtent	09:33
iRmantou	content	09:33
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@wiking	iRmantou, have you tried sending a mail to shogun-list-subscribe@shogun-toolbox.org	09:34
@wiking	?	09:34
iRmantou	no, I just want to subscribe to the mailing list becauseI see a requirement.	09:39
iRmantou	https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6322302468751360/#work-with-us	09:39
iRmantou	"Subscribe to the mailing list and introduce yourself"	09:39
iRmantou	I have tested other organizations' mailing list, they are ok, so I think this is may not my net problems.	09:41
@wiking	iRmantou, just send an email to the address i've given you	09:46
@wiking	that should get you subscribed	09:46
iRmantou	ok ! thank you!	09:46
@wiking	CaBa, ping	09:50
@wiking	wtf just happened here what do you think	09:50
@wiking	make[2]: *** No rule to make target 'GoogleMock/sbc/GoogleMock/googletest/include/gtest/gtest_prod.h', needed by 'tests/unit/CMakeFiles/shogun-unit-test.dir/io/LibSVMFile_unittest.cc.o'. Stop.	09:50
@wiking	:)))	09:50
mikeling	wiking: How could I register an instance of my global fixture? call AddGlobalTestEnvironment in main() of discover_gtest_tests.cpp?	09:55
@wiking	why do you want to add it to the discover gtests?	09:56
@wiking	that cpp is just generating the ctest stuff	09:56
mikeling	I just founding the entry of all tests, I mean something like RUN_ALL_TESTS	09:57
@wiking	?	09:59
@wiking	you need to add the global fixture to shogun-unit-test	09:59
@wiking	executable	09:59
mikeling	by cmakelists?	10:00
@HeikoS	wiking: jojo	10:00
@HeikoS	wiking: I really wonder, how the conference was	10:01
@wiking	what?	10:01
@wiking	ah	10:01
@wiking	not many people	10:01
@wiking	but was ok	10:01
@wiking	:)	10:01
@HeikoS	how was the talk=?	10:01
@wiking	sorry i didn't answer till now	10:01
@wiking	because i was busy with other stuff	10:01
@HeikoS	nw	10:01
@wiking	in what way?	10:01
@wiking	i spoke a lot :)	10:01
@wiking	run out of time :)	10:01
@wiking	was casual	10:01
@HeikoS	feedback?	10:02
@wiking	mmm 2 possible gsoc applicants	10:02
@wiking	the session leader like the talk	10:02
@wiking	as well as another guy	10:02
@wiking	but again	10:02
@wiking	the talk was at midday	10:02
@wiking	:DD	10:02
@wiking	lunch time :P	10:02
@HeikoS	hehe i see	10:02
iRmantou	wait me! I am writing the applicant!	10:09
@HeikoS	wiking: btw	10:09
@wiking	eys	10:09
@HeikoS	wiking: I will be in Tokyo from Friday to end of month	10:09
@wiking	*yes	10:09
@wiking	ah yeah you told me	10:09
@HeikoS	I hope to have time to feedback the applications	10:09
@HeikoS	its a bad clash	10:09
@wiking	ah well 2 things	10:10
@HeikoS	will try to do some stuff today	10:10
@wiking	one is about the org shits	10:10
@wiking	you know that we got accepted to : )	10:10
@HeikoS	wiking: we are waiting for the FSA	10:10
@wiking	yeah i guess	10:10
@HeikoS	Ill ping again	10:10
@wiking	we'll get it when you are in tokyo	10:10
@wiking	:)	10:10
@HeikoS	yeah we need to sign it all	10:10
@HeikoS	so not sure how that will work, digitally or mail	10:10
@wiking	HeikoS, i reckon they're gonna send it after the 2nd board meeting	10:10
@HeikoS	yep something like that	10:10
@wiking	that supposed to be on the 23rd	10:11
@wiking	or somethin	10:11
@wiking	anyhow yea	10:11
@HeikoS	wiking: also wanted to ask you to feedback the PR in doc by lea	10:11
@HeikoS	with "mission"	10:11
@wiking	let's see how we'll have to circulate stuff	10:11
@wiking	ah	10:11
@wiking	will check on it tomo	10:11
@HeikoS	whether you agree, have more things to add	10:11
@HeikoS	no need for detailed comments, more like big picture	10:11
@HeikoS	would be cool to get that out before we get exposed via the org	10:11
@HeikoS	wiking: we really need to discuss this tags business	10:12
@HeikoS	we also need transient	10:12
@HeikoS	and we need to discuss where the members are stored	10:13
@HeikoS	CaBa: jo	10:13
@HeikoS	https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3721/files#diff-9c3599c0d2090e493be261b079e9b63eR715	10:13
@wiking	HeikoS, the shitty part of *transient that there's no support for such thing in c++ :)	10:15
@wiking	i mean the nearest thing would be attributes	10:16
@wiking	http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/attributes	10:16
@wiking	but those are not customizable by far :(	10:16
@HeikoS	wiking: mmh I guess tags can do that	10:16
@HeikoS	it is just parameters that are get/settable, but wont be serialized and wont be part of equals	10:16
@wiking	ah you mean to give a special wrapper	10:16
@wiking	Transient<Type>	10:16
@wiking	and add that to the tag?	10:16
@HeikoS	yep	10:16
@wiking	ah that's possible	10:16
@wiking	but then again	10:16
@HeikoS	yeah it is	10:17
@HeikoS	it is easy	10:17
@wiking	the story is still that	10:17
@HeikoS	just need a flag	10:17
@HeikoS	(and it is independent of where they are stored)	10:17
@wiking	wtf we do when people dont actually	10:17
@wiking	register stuff :D	10:17
lisitsyn	it fails	10:17
@HeikoS	get/set fails	10:17
@wiking	lisitsyn, because you presume	10:17
@wiking	that everybody is gonna use	10:17
@wiking	get/set	10:17
lisitsyn	yes	10:17
lisitsyn	you have no other way	10:17
lisitsyn	:D	10:17
lisitsyn	resistance is futile	10:17
@wiking	hahahha	10:17
@HeikoS	if you dont make the vars members then we have it	10:18
@HeikoS	Buutttt	10:18
@HeikoS	hackathon stuff then	10:18
lisitsyn	using only get/set open a whole fucking window of opportuinites	10:18
lisitsyn	like observing what happens while you train	10:18
@wiking	:)	10:19
lisitsyn	ah and we also can have a tensorboard-like thing	10:19
@wiking	lisitsyn, how you hook anything to an unordered_map?	10:19
lisitsyn	hook what?	10:19
@wiking	i mean then the get/set should be annotatable :)	10:20
@wiking	like aspectj	10:20
@wiking	:P	10:20
lisitsyn	do not get it yet	10:20
@wiking	well look	10:20
@wiking	you are saying	10:20
@HeikoS	wiking: you mean for type safety? :D	10:20
@wiking	like observing what happens while you train	10:20
lisitsyn	yes	10:20
@wiking	"like observing what happens while you train"	10:20
@wiking	how do you hook anything	10:20
@wiking	so you can monitor	10:20
@sukey	Issue #3739 "add swig interface checks to appveyor" karlnapf added label: "entrance" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3739	10:20
lisitsyn	map<Tag, Any>	10:20
lisitsyn	Any can tell its json	10:20
@wiking	que?	10:21
lisitsyn	so you get a json of parameters	10:21
@wiking	but still	10:21
@wiking	how do you monitor this runtime?	10:21
lisitsyn	{"parameter": <something generated by any>}	10:21
lisitsyn	you just register all objects	10:21
lisitsyn	somewhere	10:21
lisitsyn	and then iterate over all objects over all parameters	10:21
@wiking	ok	10:21
@wiking	i think we are	10:21
lisitsyn	should be possible	10:21
@wiking	totally talking to another	10:21
@wiking	universe :)	10:22
@wiking	man	10:22
@wiking	you are saying	10:22
@wiking	that	10:22
@wiking	"like observing what happens while you train" = for me this means that you can actually somehow hook to ALL the parameters of an object and stream their values (when they change)	10:22
lisitsyn	no I mean retrieving the	10:22
@wiking	and i guess they change when you	10:22
lisitsyn	you just retrieve the current state	10:23
@wiking	insert into the map	10:23
@wiking	lol but man	10:23
@wiking	how's that monitoring?	10:23
lisitsyn	observer is much more difficult	10:23
@wiking	:D	10:23
@wiking	unordered_map is not threadsafe	10:23
@wiking	so you just get like	10:23
@wiking	super weird	10:23
@wiking	snapshots	10:23
@wiking	right?	10:23
@wiking	i mean that's not really "observing what happens while you train"	10:23
lisitsyn	well we can use thread safe map :P	10:24
@wiking	but even then	10:24
@wiking	you gonna be iterating	10:24
lisitsyn	it's not the detail ruining the whole stuff	10:24
@wiking	like while(1) ?	10:24
@wiking	:D	10:24
lisitsyn	yes if you want to	10:24
@wiking	no i dont want to	10:24
@wiking	i'm just asking questions	10:24
@wiking	because your statement is that	10:24
@wiking	"observing what happens while you train"	10:24
@wiking	:)	10:24
lisitsyn	yes and what's wrong?	10:24
@wiking	and i've just showed you	10:25
@wiking	that it's not really the case	10:25
@wiking	if one would like to do that	10:25
@wiking	the best would be to have something at setter part	10:25
lisitsyn	yes you can observe snapshots but I am ok with snapshots	10:25
@wiking	lisitsyn, and i presume the presumption in this case is	10:25
@wiking	that you cannot store references in the tags	10:25
@wiking	right?	10:25
lisitsyn	why so?	10:26
@wiking	well because	10:26
@wiking	then it's even more so	10:26
@wiking	:)	10:26
@wiking	that you have no idea	10:26
@wiking	what's happening with the parameters	10:26
@wiking	:>	10:26
@wiking	as they are mutable	10:26
lisitsyn	gosh man we can just implement an observer if you're so obsessed :D	10:26
@wiking	no i'm not obsessed	10:27
@wiking	but please	10:27
@wiking	be a bit more precise	10:27
@wiking	when you have a statement about	10:27
@wiking	what tags can do	10:27
lisitsyn	yes tags still can do it	10:27
@wiking	i see :)	10:28
@wiking	cool	10:28
lisitsyn	if you register things you can track them right?	10:28
lisitsyn	that's why tensorboard works	10:28
@wiking	true	10:28
@wiking	but that's true atm as well	10:28
@wiking	right?	10:28
@wiking	i mean we do register shit atm as well	10:29
@wiking	(see SG_ADD)	10:29
lisitsyn	yes but you can't track set now	10:29
lisitsyn	with tags you can	10:29
@wiking	but the point was above	10:29
@wiking	that you dont actually have to do set	10:29
@wiking	with tags either	10:29
@wiking	right?	10:29
@wiking	just as in case of SG_ADD	10:29
@sukey	Issue #3740 "Create data generator class for unit testing" opened by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3740	10:30
@sukey	Issue #3740 "Create data generator class for unit testing" karlnapf added label: "Cleanups" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3740	10:30
@sukey	Issue #3740 "Create data generator class for unit testing" karlnapf added label: "testing" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3740	10:30
@sukey	Issue #3740 "Create data generator class for unit testing" karlnapf added label: "entrance" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3740	10:30
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lisitsyn	why don't you?	10:30
@wiking	?	10:31
lisitsyn	why don't you have to do set? what does it mean?	10:31
@wiking	well	10:31
@wiking	if i store a reference	10:31
@wiking	or a pointer	10:31
@wiking	i dont know what's happening anymore with the value per se	10:31
@wiking	but this is true for the current case as well	10:31
lisitsyn	oh I don't like storing a reference	10:31
@wiking	lisitsyn, yeah but i've just asked	10:31
lisitsyn	I think we're talking about reference to other object	10:31
@wiking	20 lines above :)	10:31
lisitsyn	storing a pointer is no go	10:31
@wiking	and then?	10:32
@wiking	if i have to?	10:32
@wiking	Transient<> ?: )	10:32
lisitsyn	nah transient is other thing	10:32
@wiking	i know	10:32
@wiking	but again	10:32
@wiking	what do i do?	10:32
lisitsyn	storing pointer = statefullness that's not tracked	10:33
@wiking	if i want to/need to	10:33
@wiking	because	10:33
@wiking	<lisitsyn> oh I don't like storing a reference	10:33
@wiking	<lisitsyn> storing a pointer is no go	10:33
@wiking	might be valid	10:33
@wiking	but still	10:33
@wiking	there could be cases	10:33
@wiking	where there's no other option right?	10:33
lisitsyn	no, why would you need that?	10:33
@wiking	:)	10:33
@wiking	so you are saying	10:34
@wiking	that no matter what	10:34
@wiking	nobody wants or shall store a point	10:34
@wiking	as an attribute of a class?	10:34
@wiking	*pointer	10:34
lisitsyn	sure, why to store a pointer? it's broken from the beginning	10:34
@wiking	:)	10:34
@wiking	this is too good man	10:34
@wiking	:)	10:34
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lisitsyn	you need to store pointers in sgvector and stuff like that	10:34
lisitsyn	but in 'user' code?	10:34
@wiking	http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9f/9f97f7502ecc5767b455e9ecc3978da0fe9bb10d351931c98569e7af8fd82920.jpg	10:35
@wiking	i couldn't resist sorry	10:35
@wiking	:)	10:35
lisitsyn	well I'd love to see a kernel that needs to store a pointer	10:35
lisitsyn	or a classifier	10:35
@HeikoS	maybe we can have fistfights in zurich	10:36
lisitsyn	we're talking about shogun classes right?	10:37
@wiking	? what fight	10:37
lisitsyn	I am not into that pervert things	10:37
lisitsyn	:D	10:37
@wiking	i guess we are discussing here	10:37
lisitsyn	wiking: just one example why would you need to store a pointer in a shogun class?	10:37
@wiking	lisitsyn, i mean i just find your comment of	10:37
@wiking	not storing pointer	10:37
@wiking	as strong	10:38
@wiking	as 64k should be enough for everybody	10:38
lisitsyn	yes you have to limit something sometimes but we're talking about some classifiers and stuff	10:38
@wiking	yeah sure you can argue as much as you want about	10:38
@wiking	why it's stupid	10:38
@wiking	but still	10:38
@wiking	that's one of the simplest features	10:38
@wiking	of the language	10:38
lisitsyn	it's never used in shogun now	10:38
@wiking	now you just wanna ignore that whole part	10:38
@wiking	sure do it	10:38
@wiking	but i'm not convinved	10:39
@wiking	*convinced that it's the smartest move to do	10:39
lisitsyn	well you may allow tags to pointers if you want to but I have no use case for that	10:39
@wiking	HeikoS, "A unit test for single a multi threads of a kernel machine would help	10:40
@wiking	"	10:40
@wiking	hahahaha	10:40
@wiking	too good	10:40
@wiking	:>	10:40
lisitsyn	wiking: we also have to limit what classes can we store	10:40
@wiking	too bad that half of our CIs dont do well with multithreads :)	10:40
lisitsyn	because they are all exported to swig	10:41
@HeikoS	should actually test all machines for single and multithread train	10:41
@HeikoS	at least on buildbot	10:41
@wiking	HeikoS, write the code :)	10:41
@HeikoS	wiking: yeah know	10:41
@wiking	HeikoS, they'll do it for you :)	10:41
@HeikoS	wiking: just a bit nervous about these patches, they are hard to parse	10:41
@wiking	HeikoS, which?	10:42
@HeikoS	wiking: openmp port of pthread	10:42
@wiking	HeikoS, mmm man	10:42
@wiking	:)))	10:42
@wiking	let me tell you a secret	10:42
@wiking	:D	10:42
lisitsyn	can we start using std::thread instead?	10:42
@wiking	those are copy-paste solutions from micmn	10:42
@wiking	:>	10:42
@HeikoS	i know	10:42
@HeikoS	even worse	10:42
@wiking	i'm not taking those as real contributions	10:42
@wiking	:D	10:42
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: hackathon :D	10:42
@wiking	(i hope everybody hears this :P)	10:42
lisitsyn	what does mr. wiking think about std::thread?	10:42
@wiking	lisitsyn, ? sorry Sergey did i offendend you by any way?	10:43
@wiking	*offended	10:43
@wiking	or i dont get really the sarcasm :)	10:43
lisitsyn	just curious	10:43
@wiking	other than that i believe i had the first patch to shogun using std::thread when i added windozer support	10:43
@wiking	evne asked u to review	10:43
lisitsyn	I have no memory	10:44
@wiking	that's ok	10:44
lisitsyn	like lstm but lst	10:44
@wiking	but yeah other than input parsers	10:44
@wiking	or such	10:44
@wiking	i would try to use openmp	10:44
@wiking	if possible	10:44
lisitsyn	I just mean openmp is not that good sometimes	10:44
lisitsyn	because it is highly implicit	10:44
@wiking	yeah but most of the times is sufficient	10:44
@wiking	shit like that has been doen	10:44
@wiking	with pthreads	10:44
@wiking	for kernel machines	10:44
@wiking	or kernel	10:44
@wiking	openmp is more than sufficient	10:45
@wiking	and really lowers the LoC	10:45
lisitsyn	well at least you're explicit what happens	10:45
lisitsyn	:D	10:45
@wiking	lisitsyn, yeah but see the LoC?	10:45
@wiking	:))))	10:45
lisitsyn	because I have no idea about # threads and stuff like that	10:45
@HeikoS	i think xvalidation might be nice to do with something more sophisticated	10:45
@wiking	HeikoS, heheh xval shoudl be thrown out	10:45
@wiking	in it's current form	10:45
@wiking	:)	10:45
@wiking	that's a hack a patch	10:45
@wiking	and i know tha tyou know	10:45
@HeikoS	just revert revert revert it	10:45
@wiking	:D	10:45
@HeikoS	then we can release	10:45
@HeikoS	:D	10:45
@wiking	because we were fucking with that	10:45
@wiking	since october	10:46
@HeikoS	yeah lets kill this guy	10:46
@HeikoS	and then do in a feature branch with some investigation	10:46
@HeikoS	like testing it on all classes etc	10:46
@HeikoS	the stuff CaBa found out	10:46
lisitsyn	I need some help with tags	10:46
@HeikoS	guy=patch	10:46
@wiking	:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>	10:46
@HeikoS	:D	10:46
@wiking	i'm fine with both	10:46
@wiking	:D	10:46
lisitsyn	help me please :P	10:47
@wiking	lisitsyn, u need xval solution? :)	10:47
lisitsyn	I need to compile shogun	10:47
@wiking	make	10:47
@wiking	or use ninja	10:47
@wiking	better :)	10:47
lisitsyn	each time I try	10:47
@wiking	really faster	10:47
lisitsyn	well I mean I update my git	10:47
lisitsyn	and each time I get a new error	10:47
lisitsyn	and while I'm investigating	10:47
@wiking	mmm	10:47
@wiking	it should compile	10:48
@wiking	on osx	10:48
@wiking	i reckon that's what you use	10:48
@wiking	so u dont even have the problem	10:48
@wiking	of multithreading	10:48
@wiking	:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD	10:48
@wiking	(openmp just to be specific)	10:48
lisitsyn	yeah I have no problem with shogun in general	10:48
lisitsyn	because I can't compile it	10:48
lisitsyn	most of the times	10:48
lisitsyn	:D	10:48
@wiking	good	10:48
@wiking	r u using develop? :)	10:48
lisitsyn	well yes	10:48
@wiking	or some super branch like HeikoS last time ? )	10:49
@wiking	ok so what's your error?	10:49
lisitsyn	well its different each time :D	10:49
@wiking	ok	10:49
lisitsyn	let me check what is it now	10:49
@wiking	for me	10:49
@wiking	it's enough	10:49
@wiking	what is it now	10:49
@wiking	:)	10:49
@wiking	meaning i dong give a damn about your whining how everything is a shit.... i know! :)	10:49
lisitsyn	no no I am not whining	10:50
lisitsyn	its me who can fix it as well	10:50
@wiking	so what's the erorr?	10:50
@HeikoS	I had so many problem compiling things :D	10:50
@HeikoS	config.h is fucked	10:50
@wiking	HeikoS, not at all	10:50
@wiking	that thing is finally fixed	10:50
@wiking	:D	10:50
@HeikoS	had to manually edit	10:50
@HeikoS	when?	10:50
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@wiking	HeikoS, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut!	10:50
@HeikoS	I had a lot of issues changing options last week	10:51
@HeikoS	but doesnt matter	10:51
@wiking	do you have	10:51
@wiking	src/shogun/lib/config.h ?	10:51
@HeikoS	it is like when you change options	10:51
@HeikoS	it doesnt update the config in build dir	10:51
@HeikoS	or vice versa, I forgot	10:51
@wiking	which option is it?	10:51
@HeikoS	it was all those	10:51
@wiking	becuase i beleive	10:51
@HeikoS	JSON, SMVLIGHT	10:51
@HeikoS	etc	10:51
@wiking	that should not be the case	10:51
@wiking	:)	10:51
@wiking	configure_file works	10:51
@wiking	:>	10:51
lisitsyn	wiking: oh ok	10:51
lisitsyn	error: unknown type name 'CWrappedSGMatrix'	10:51
lisitsyn	case PT_INT8: return new CWrappedSGMatrix<int8_t>();	10:51
@HeikoS	I can reproduce at somepoint	10:51
lisitsyn	that's what I get now	10:51
@wiking	ah that's each	10:51
@HeikoS	it is changing	10:51
@wiking	*easy	10:51
@HeikoS	yeah that is one	10:51
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: that has to do with config	10:52
@wiking	lisitsyn, ls -la ./src/shogun/lib/config.h	10:52
@HeikoS	because the class is guarded when testing is disabled	10:52
@wiking	what's the output	10:52
@wiking	(not in build but in the root of the cloned repo)	10:52
lisitsyn	ls -la ./src/shogun/lib/config.h [12:50:29]	10:52
lisitsyn	-rw-r--r-- 1 lisitsyn LD\Domain Users 3938 Feb 15 15:55 ./src/shogun/lib/config.h	10:52
lisitsyn	ehm? :)	10:52
@wiking	domain users :)	10:53
@wiking	nice	10:53
@wiking	:>	10:53
@wiking	ok	10:53
@sukey	Issue #3000 "Replace an undocumented example by a cookbook page" closed by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3000	10:53
@wiking	so this is in the root of the src	10:53
@wiking	right?	10:53
@wiking	not in build dir	10:53
lisitsyn	not in build	10:53
@wiking	if so then do me a favour	10:53
lisitsyn	I enabled testing	10:53
@wiking	rm ./src/shogun/lib/config.h	10:53
lisitsyn	git is clean	10:53
@wiking	because that file should not be there anymore	10:53
lisitsyn	ok then I should rebase that branch	10:54
@wiking	nono	10:54
@wiking	it's fine	10:54
@wiking	i mean what's your	10:54
@wiking	HEAD (before your shit)	10:54
@wiking	sha1	10:54
@wiking	:)	10:54
@wiking	anyhow the problem is that	10:54
@wiking	src/shogun/lib/config.h is in .gitignore	10:54
@wiking	i reckon we should remove it now from there	10:54
lisitsyn	I am on feature/private-wector	10:54
@wiking	that's published?	10:54
@wiking	right	10:54
lisitsyn	yes	10:54
lisitsyn	it's a PR	10:55
@wiking	pr? or feature	10:55
@wiking	sergey	10:55
@wiking	those are xor	10:55
@wiking	remember the conversation	10:55
@wiking	:))))	10:55
@wiking	PLEASE DO NOT PR a feature branch	10:55
@wiking	:)	10:55
lisitsyn	why?	10:55
@wiking	because it'll make CI double work	10:55
lisitsyn	ah yeah I remember	10:55
@HeikoS	gotta go now	10:55
@wiking	:)	10:55
@wiking	cool	10:55
@HeikoS	see you later lovers	10:55
lisitsyn	but	10:55
lisitsyn	how	10:55
lisitsyn	can	10:55
lisitsyn	I	10:55
lisitsyn	:D	10:55
@wiking	:>	10:55
@wiking	remember?	10:55
@wiking	:)	10:55
lisitsyn	wiking: you mean commit to my fork?	10:56
@wiking	yes	10:56
lisitsyn	is it what I should do?	10:56
lisitsyn	ohk next time	10:56
@wiking	no not the fork	10:56
@wiking	i mean is this a feature branch of shogun	10:56
@wiking	?	10:56
@wiking	or on yours	10:56
lisitsyn	uhmm yes?	10:56
@wiking	ah if shogun then it's all good	10:56
@wiking	it'll be picked up by all the CI	10:56
@wiking	so anyhow	10:56
lisitsyn	https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/tree/feature/private-wector	10:56
lisitsyn	that's the branch	10:57
lisitsyn	I want to test it	10:57
@wiking	okok	10:57
@wiking	so no need to rebase	10:57
@wiking	just fucking	10:57
lisitsyn	but I fail miserably	10:57
@wiking	rm ./src/shogun/lib/config.h	10:57
lisitsyn	becoz I am stoopid	10:57
lisitsyn	I removed it	10:57
@wiking	ok	10:57
@wiking	now just for the sake	10:57
lisitsyn	make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../src/shogun/lib/config.h', needed by `src/shogun/base/class_list.cpp'. Stop.	10:57
lisitsyn	now I can't even make	10:57
lisitsyn	cries deeply	10:57
lisitsyn	what have you done to me	10:57
@wiking	ok but man wait	10:57
@wiking	in build dir	10:57
@wiking	ls ./src/shogun/lib/config.h	10:58
@wiking	lisitsyn, fuck can u start a tmate	10:58
@wiking	and i can do this for you	10:58
@wiking	it's gonna be much faster	10:58
@wiking	brew install tmate	10:58
lisitsyn	what's tmate	10:58
@wiking	and send me in private the ssh	10:58
@wiking	lisitsyn, https://tmate.io/	10:58
@wiking	welcome to 2017	10:58
@wiking	:>	10:58
lisitsyn	not sure if my employer would like that	10:58
lisitsyn	:D	10:58
@wiking	ah ok	10:58
@wiking	:)	10:58
@wiking	then we gonna be doing this for the next hour	10:59
@wiking	:))))	10:59
@wiking	but yeha ok so	10:59
lisitsyn	wiking: well I removed and cmake again	10:59
@wiking	ls build/src/shogun/lib/config.h	10:59
lisitsyn	now it tries to compile	10:59
@wiking	okok	10:59
@wiking	so the thing is that those shit happened	10:59
@wiking	when the config.h was getting out of state	10:59
lisitsyn	so what happened to me?	10:59
@wiking	because i moved config.h generation to build	10:59
@wiking	but because of that	10:59
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@wiking	everybody who has been using shogun	10:59
lisitsyn	ok so it clashes	11:00
@wiking	for longer time	11:00
@wiking	would have some shit in src/shogun/lib/	11:00
@wiking	and because gitignore has config.h	11:00
@wiking	if you do	11:00
@wiking	git status	11:00
@wiking	you think you are in sync	11:00
@wiking	:)	11:00
@wiking	these lines should go from gitignore	11:01
@wiking	/src/shogun/lib/config.h	11:01
lisitsyn	don't we remove it from gitignore	11:01
lisitsyn	because it is like	11:01
@wiking	ah fuck	11:01
@wiking	yeah	11:01
@wiking	man	11:01
@wiking	one more thing	11:01
@wiking	src/shogun/base/class_list.cpp	11:01
@wiking	remove this as well	11:01
@wiking	:)	11:01
@wiking	i reckon you have such thing as well	11:01
@wiking	right?	11:01
@wiking	(not in build but actual src	11:02
lisitsyn	oh	11:02
@wiking	see what i mean? :)	11:02
@wiking	can i remove those from ignore?	11:02
lisitsyn	we should remove it from ignore for sure	11:02
lisitsyn	it's really confusing	11:02
@wiking	yep	11:02
@wiking	i mean it was a shitty solution	11:03
@wiking	from the beginning	11:03
lisitsyn	yes one should not touch src dir	11:03
@wiking	but now	11:03
@wiking	it's really out of src build	11:03
@wiking	so you can have the build dir wherevers	11:03
lisitsyn	wiking: versionstring?	11:04
lisitsyn	is it out as well?	11:04
@wiking	mmm	11:04
@wiking	good question	11:04
@wiking	i would hope so	11:04
@wiking	dont remember the patch tough	11:04
@wiking	yes it is	11:04
@wiking	ok	11:04
@wiking	i'm sending a commit	11:04
@sukey	New Commit "dont ignore class_list.cpp versionstring.h and config.h" to shogun-toolbox/shogun by vigsterkr: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/10c29e48f511dd1dc606eec9ea83eaaf014a3c2d	11:05
@wiking	there	11:05
@wiking	:)	11:05
lisitsyn	oh you can be so kind	11:06
@wiking	so i reckon	11:06
@wiking	if you clearup those remainers	11:06
@wiking	*remainders	11:06
@wiking	things should get into a better shape	11:06
@sukey	Pull Request #3735 "Move generated serialization unit tests into separate executable" merged by vigsterkr - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3735	11:06
@sukey	New Commit "Merge pull request #3735 from micmn/feature/serialization-binary	11:06
@sukey	Move generated serialization unit tests into separate executable" to shogun-toolbox/shogun by vigsterkr: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/4584965a2fa85d3a576662e7221efa406337a1d7	11:06
@wiking	lisitsyn, i gotta go now.... but i'll be around in an hour or so	11:07
@wiking	if you still have compilation troubles lemm eknow	11:07
@wiking	btw	11:07
lisitsyn	wiking: ok thanks	11:07
lisitsyn	well I usually try to resolve them by myself	11:07
@wiking	i would suggest you to use a server to compile shogun	11:07
lisitsyn	but then I am sucked into problems	11:07
@wiking	it's faster better :)	11:07
lisitsyn	wiking: well	11:07
lisitsyn	wiking: it is true	11:07
@wiking	lisitsyn, you have account on both fatbot	11:07
@wiking	and i believe on hedonism as well	11:07
lisitsyn	wiking: yeah yeah not an issue I have a lot of machines	11:08
lisitsyn	there is different thing	11:08
@wiking	drwxr-xr-x 5 lisitsyn lisitsyn 4096 Sep 10 2015 lisitsyn	11:08
lisitsyn	it'd be cool to have it compiling on mac	11:08
@wiking	ah yeah	11:08
@wiking	sure it does	11:08
* wiking compiles on mac		11:08
@wiking	so it works most def	11:08
lisitsyn	but it would be faster to compile on some ubuntu server for sure	11:08
@wiking	some of the unit tests might fail	11:08
@wiking	but yeah i use servers mostly	11:09
lisitsyn	wiking: that's why I was thinking about dist build	11:09
@wiking	lisitsyn, hahah bitch	11:09
@wiking	i will not devops you that	11:09
@wiking	:))))	11:09
lisitsyn	sure you don't	11:09
@wiking	i'm tired man of shogun devops	11:09
lisitsyn	never asked you :)	11:09
@wiking	hahah	11:09
@wiking	i remember the fuckin gday	11:09
@wiking	when you just wriote	11:09
lisitsyn	I just ask if you think it is a good idea	11:09
@wiking	wiking distcc	11:09
lisitsyn	no	11:09
@wiking	and i was about to kill u	11:09
lisitsyn	you get me wrong	11:09
@wiking	lisitsyn, you can actually	11:09
@wiking	use for this buildbot	11:09
@wiking	http://docs.buildbot.net/current/manual/cmdline.html#try	11:10
@wiking	:)	11:10
@wiking	Heiko is always crying about this feature	11:10
@wiking	i told him to read the manual	11:10
@wiking	and that's all	11:10
@wiking	but he is too fucking lazy	11:10
lisitsyn	wiking: I am just curious if it is possible to employ distcc somehow	11:10
@wiking	it is	11:10
@wiking	but there's buildbot	11:10
lisitsyn	well in theory	11:10
@wiking	it would do it for you	11:10
@wiking	i mean everything is ready for that	11:11
@wiking	you just need to actually type in the right command	11:11
@wiking	:DDD	11:11
@wiking	y do what distcc does it for ya	11:11
lisitsyn	uhm not really	11:11
@wiking	why not?	11:11
lisitsyn	it's like you're ready to push	11:11
lisitsyn	but you want to test again	11:11
@wiking	nono	11:11
@wiking	you can use a feature branch	11:11
@wiking	and do all your experimentation there	11:12
lisitsyn	no I mean it is not in the loop right?	11:12
@wiking	which loop?	11:12
lisitsyn	you just upload your code and test it somewhere	11:12
lisitsyn	but with distcc you compile the same thing faster but test locally	11:12
lisitsyn	right?	11:12
@wiking	mmm	11:12
@wiking	hahah	11:13
@wiking	i wanna see the day	11:13
@wiking	when we have that many macs	11:13
@wiking	that you can distcc it	11:13
@wiking	and then get it back to you	11:13
@wiking	:)))	11:13
@wiking	see the irony	11:13
lisitsyn	wiking: ?? you don't need mac for that	11:13
lisitsyn	you can cross compile	11:13
@wiking	we dont even have one fucking mac builder	11:13
@wiking	hahaha	11:13
@wiking	have you done xcompile	11:13
@wiking	:)	11:13
@wiking	like ever :)	11:13
lisitsyn	well with clang it works	11:13
lisitsyn	yes we have it here	11:13
@wiking	coz it's like maaaan sloow	11:14
@wiking	compared to host compile	11:14
lisitsyn	ok that's different issue	11:14
@wiking	so i mean that's why	11:14
@wiking	you would be just better of	11:14
@wiking	fuckign sending your patch to buildbot	11:14
@wiking	and it'll moan	11:14
@wiking	if something is wrong	11:14
lisitsyn	oh well then it's much easier to develop on some ssd server	11:14
@wiking	but i mean	11:14
@wiking	hedonismbot is pretty fast	11:14
lisitsyn	with yuuuge memory	11:14
lisitsyn	yes	11:14
@wiking	:)	11:15
@wiking	especially if you ccache	11:15
@wiking	i mean bigger stuff i test on that directly	11:15
@wiking	or quick patches even sometimes	11:15
@wiking	becuase till i get shit compiled locally	11:15
@wiking	....	11:15
@wiking	so yeah	11:15
@wiking	use a server	11:15
@wiking	that's my personal take on that	11:15
@wiking	lisitsyn, btw is it still compiling?	11:16
@wiking	because then i guess it's in better state than it used to be or?	11:16
lisitsyn	wiking: just restarted it	11:16
lisitsyn	it is going ok yet	11:16
@wiking	k	11:16
@wiking	it should	11:16
@wiking	the most problem lately i had	11:17
@wiking	was with viennacl	11:17
@wiking	and macbook pro's fucking gpu	11:17
lisitsyn	yeah I just wasn't aware it could be that config.h stuff	11:17
@wiking	that does not support double precision float :D	11:17
@wiking	i almost had 5.0.0 merged into brew	11:18
@wiking	but then some stupid stuff came	11:18
@wiking	and then yeah	11:18
@wiking	everything escalated	11:18
@wiking	we merged windows	11:18
@wiking	then parallel fix	11:18
@wiking	then lalalal	11:18
@wiking	and now we already have like linalg	11:18
@wiking	so i dont have a fucking clue where are we at atm	11:18
@wiking	:)	11:18
@wiking	but like a week ago i think we had most of the unit tests passing	11:18
@wiking	ok i'm out	11:18
@wiking	bbl	11:19
lisitsyn	heh	11:19
lisitsyn	ok	11:19
lisitsyn	wiking: yes it worked	11:19
lisitsyn	gracias amigo	11:19
iRmantou_	I see the DEV build failing in my pr and the error message is " CMake 3.1 or higher is required"... It's my code problem?	11:31
@lambday\|work	holy shit man what happened here?	11:44
CaBa	iRmantou_: check only travis	11:49
CaBa	morning people	11:49
iRmantou_	It's evening for me...	11:58
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lisitsyn	lambday\|work: what?	12:36
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@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: really long logs :D	13:09
@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: I have a question	13:09
@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: suppose, I want to observe method internal variables.. not class variables.. what would be a neat way to do that	13:09
@lambday\|work	let me give you an actual use-case	13:10
@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/blob/develop/src/shogun/statistical_testing/QuadraticTimeMMD.h#L268	13:11
lisitsyn	lambday\|work: I think one may implement observable<T>	13:12
@lambday\|work	so, permutation indices are something that the method generates in every iteration..	13:12
@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: can you elaborate a bit more	13:12
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@lambday\|work	what's the idea	13:12
@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: I need to be able to turn it on/off .. with some unifying API.. not these CQuadraticTimeMMD::save_permutation_inds() and then CQuadraticTimeMMD::get_permutation_inds()...	13:15
lisitsyn	lambday\|work: I am a bit afraid it is like debugger	13:15
@lambday\|work	lisitsyn: yeah but I'd want to access these values from modular interfaces... so plain old debug messages won't really do	13:17
@lambday\|work	observable<T> vars should be retrieved	13:17
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travis-ci	it's Viktor Gal's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/213766343	13:22
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@wiking	lisitsyn, ok so it was actually only that you had trash in your source :)	13:30
lisitsyn	wiking: yes exactly	13:30
lisitsyn	well you fixed it	13:30
@wiking	i mean i broke it in the first place :)	13:30
@wiking	so easy to fix shit like that :D	13:31
@wiking	shogun-buildbot: force build 'release xenial deb'	13:32
shogun-buildbot	build #0 forced	13:32
shogun-buildbot	I'll give a shout when the build finishes	13:32
@wiking	now let's see if this falls apart :)))	13:32
shogun-buildbot	Hey! build release xenial deb #0 is complete: Failure [failed]	13:32
shogun-buildbot	Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/release%20xenial%20deb/builds/0	13:32
@wiking	hahah	13:33
@wiking	:)	13:33
@wiking	now this is great	13:33
@wiking	heiko	13:33
@wiking	Cloning into 'doc/wiki'...	13:33
@wiking	fatal: remote error:	13:33
@wiking	Repository not found.	13:33
@wiking	fatal: clone of 'git://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun-wiki.git' into submodule path 'doc/wiki' failed	13:33
@wiking	YOU JUST FUCKING BROKE STABLE BRANCH	13:33
@wiking	how great is that	13:33
@wiking	:>	13:33
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@wiking	i'm wondering if we gonna get this software engineering as a job	13:36
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@wiking	right :)	13:36
@wiking	or we gonna be like mad scientist doing shit all the time :)))	13:36
@wiking	and randomly delete repositories	13:36
@wiking	so nothing could be recreated :)	13:36
@wiking	"NOTE: Currently, upgrading to new versions requires a fresh install.	13:38
@wiking	"	13:38
@wiking	these type of stuff :)))	13:38
@wiking	amazing	13:38
@wiking	lisitsyn, so tell me more ?:)	13:38
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@wiking	shogun-buildbot: force build 'release xenial deb'	13:42
shogun-buildbot	build #1 forced	13:42
shogun-buildbot	I'll give a shout when the build finishes	13:42
shogun-buildbot	Hey! build release xenial deb #1 is complete: Failure [failed changelog]	13:42
shogun-buildbot	Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/release%20xenial%20deb/builds/1	13:42
@wiking	let's hope i've managed to trick it	13:42
@wiking	woohooo not really	13:42
lisitsyn	wiking: tell what?	13:43
@wiking	lisitsyn, about engineering :)	13:44
@wiking	man i'm tired :D	13:44
lisitsyn	uhmm I wasn't following	13:44
@wiking	noooooooooi cannot do what i though i can	13:44
@wiking	:))	13:44
@wiking	lisitsyn, nothing...just being tired of not getting anything right	13:44
@wiking	with this fucking project called shogun	13:44
@wiking	:(	13:44
lisitsyn	you have to suffer to thrive	13:45
lisitsyn	:D	13:45
@wiking	lol	13:45
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CaBa	wiking: heya	13:55
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@wiking	y0	13:55
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@wiking	CaBa, sup ? :)))	13:59
CaBa	wiking: too much ;)	13:59
@wiking	:DDDDDDDDDDDDD	13:59
@wiking	coo	14:00
@wiking	cool	14:00
@wiking	me too	14:00
@wiking	:)	14:00
@wiking	let's do	14:00
@wiking	git rm -rf *	14:00
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@wiking	git commit .	14:00
@wiking	git push	14:00
@wiking	?	14:00
@wiking	what about that? :D	14:00
CaBa	wiking: i like!	14:00
@wiking	\o/	14:00
@wiking	let's get shit real	14:00
@wiking	btw honestly	14:00
@wiking	DynArray	14:00
@wiking	DynamicObject lalala	14:00
lisitsyn	TOTAL BULLSHIT	14:00
@wiking	that shoudl be in the trash	14:00
@wiking	:DDDDDDDDDD	14:00
@wiking	lisitsyn, right?	14:00
lisitsyn	yes	14:00
CaBa	wiking: guess what a lough i had when i discovered the "WRAPPED" brother that is only compiled when metaexamples are compiled or some shit like that ^^	14:01
@wiking	yeah dont even go there	14:04
@wiking	lisitsyn, so we through out? :)	14:04
@wiking	and use STL?	14:04
@wiking	or have some better idea?	14:04
@wiking	CaBa, oh man those wrapped thins	14:04
@wiking	*things	14:04
@wiking	that's some serious hardcode stuff	14:05
@wiking	you know when you fix a thing	14:05
@wiking	with changing the code	14:05
CaBa	shogun is full of hardcore	14:05
@wiking	until it doesn't compile :D	14:05
@wiking	and once it's ready	14:05
@wiking	then you are like	14:05
@wiking	"dont touch it, it works"	14:05
@wiking	anyhow	14:05
@wiking	i'd be more than happy	14:05
@wiking	throwing out that whole array object story	14:06
@wiking	because it's a batshit crazy stuff	14:06
CaBa	anyways i'll continue with the PR for now, it actually breaks stuff right now	14:06
@wiking	\o/	14:07
@wiking	so why dont we fucking throw it out	14:07
@wiking	:D	14:07
CaBa	so lets get rid of that hard wired shit for now and then you guys can go for the big STL refactor after :P	14:07
@wiking	lambday\|work, ^	14:07
CaBa	need drugs.	14:10
@wiking	ahhahaha	14:12
@wiking	which ones? :)	14:12
@wiking	btw note the channel is logged and the internet archive is limitless :D	14:12
CaBa	wiking: well then better don't start selling now :P	14:13
@wiking	:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD	14:14
@wiking	https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware	14:48
@wiking	:>	14:48
@wiking	keygen for a tractor :DDD	14:49
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CaBa	wiking: hm, different community. no midi music and standard window decoration ^^	15:09
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@sukey	Issue #3741 "Systematically test all machine train and apply multithreaded" opened by karlnapf - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3741	15:14
@sukey	Issue #3741 "Systematically test all machine train and apply multithreaded" karlnapf added label: "entrance" - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/3741	15:14
CaBa	[...] Kluthe, for example, uses pig manure to power his tractor, which requires engine modifications that would likely violate John Deere's terms of service on newer machines. [...]	15:16
CaBa	O.o	15:16
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olinguyen	Hey! I'm planning of applying for GSoC with a data project (application). If I wanted to know if it was possible to do more advanced deep learning with Shogun. I know there's a module for neural networks, but how hard would it be to do stuff like LSTMs, RNN, etc?	15:59
@wiking	mmmm	16:00
@wiking	the only way to judge a puding is to actually try it	16:00
@wiking	:)	16:00
@wiking	olinguyen, welcome!	16:01
@wiking	and cool thing!	16:01
@wiking	i suggest you to check into the NN part of shogun	16:01
@wiking	it has a lot of room for improvement	16:01
@wiking	and as well if you are seriously considering an application	16:01
@wiking	please start reading about how to get started	16:01
@wiking	and start sending in fixes for entrance tasks	16:01
@wiking	as that is a hard requirement for a successful gsoc application	16:02
olinguyen	ok, thanks for the pointers :)!	16:03
@wiking	lisitsyn, bazel installed on hedonism	16:03
@wiking	olinguyen, more than welcome	16:03
@wiking	:)	16:03
@wiking	olinguyen, use mailing list as well.... these type of information are usually circulating there as well	16:03
olinguyen	will do!	16:03
rads	hi! I'm exploring shogun as well! but the mailing list link didn't work for me.. where is it??	16:05
@wiking	rads yeah there's a tiny problem with it	16:05
@wiking	namely archive is only existing	16:06
@wiking	once you subscribe	16:06
@wiking	yeah we are working on it	16:06
@wiking	but sorry at the moment to get actual mails	16:06
@wiking	you need to subscribe	16:06
@wiking	:(	16:06
rads	ohh okay lemme try that	16:06
rads	I attended the FOSSASIA shogun talk btw!!	16:07
@wiking	haha	16:12
@wiking	cool	16:12
@wiking	you can tell then about it to HeikoS	16:12
@wiking	:DDDD	16:12
@HeikoS	:D	16:13
@wiking	rads, so did you like it? :D	16:13
@wiking	if you didn't no GSOC for you	16:13
@wiking	:P	16:13
@wiking	joking of course	16:13
@wiking	please share	16:13
rads	yes, in fact i talked to you after it	16:13
rads	:P	16:13
@wiking	ah cool	16:13
@wiking	then i know who you are	16:13
@wiking	:)	16:13
rads	about the kaggle one :P	16:14
@wiking	great	16:14
@wiking	and welcome to shogun	16:14
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rads	thanks! :D	16:16
@lambday	guys.. where can I read the logs :\|	16:16
@lambday	none of the links work	16:16
@wiking	:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0	16:16
@wiking	this is soooooooooo good	16:16
@wiking	that you came with this question now	16:16
@wiking	:>	16:16
@lambday	wiking: who, me?	16:17
@wiking	yes	16:17
@wiking	you	16:17
@wiking	;)	16:17
@HeikoS	logs of channel?	16:17
@lambday	yessir	16:17
@lambday	just try clicking the above two links that we read in the channel header	16:17
@HeikoS	ah yes they stopped working	16:17
@HeikoS	http://shogun.ml/irclogs	16:17
@lambday	HeikoS: try this : http://shogun.ml/irclog/2017-03-22/	16:18
@lambday	I am getting Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the application.	16:18
@HeikoS	same here	16:18
@HeikoS	no idea what happened there	16:18
@lambday	:\|	16:18
@lambday	this is so bad	16:18
@HeikoS	I was aware of it but not sure whats going on	16:18
@wiking	how was that saying?	16:18
@lambday	so many good discussion.. all gone :'(	16:18
@HeikoS	hahaha	16:19
@wiking	when maradona handed in that	16:19
@wiking	goal	16:19
@wiking	in 86?	16:19
@wiking	god's magic hand? :d	16:19
@lambday	hands of god?	16:19
@wiking	btw	16:19
@wiking	i can confirm	16:19
@wiking	it's not gon	16:19
@wiking	*gone	16:19
@wiking	:)	16:19
@wiking	the logs are there	16:19
@lambday	wiking: how can I access it	16:19
@wiking	honestly? :)	16:19
@lambday	wiking: honestly ;)	16:20
@wiking	i can see it via the shell	16:20
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@lambday	what shell	16:20
@wiking	dunno why the web broke	16:20
@wiking	the shell to the server	16:20
@wiking	where the web is running atm	16:20
@lambday	I don't have access	16:20
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@wiking	yeah that i know	16:21
@wiking	:)	16:21
@wiking	i can zip it for you	16:21
@wiking	:)	16:21
@lambday	HeikoS: hey did you follow our (a) immutable features (b) subsets via operators discussion?	16:21
@HeikoS	neither of that	16:21
@HeikoS	lambday: but +1 for immutable features	16:21
@HeikoS	subsets are a bit more tricky	16:21
@lambday	HeikoS: subsets --> linear operators, right?	16:21
@lambday	dimension subsets too	16:21
@HeikoS	sure but then we need to rewrite the algos in terms of that API	16:22
@HeikoS	so a bit of work	16:22
@HeikoS	but algos should work against API anyways, not matrix	16:22
@lambday	HeikoS: but imagine how clean our features API would be	16:22
@lambday	exactly	16:22
@HeikoS	masking for subsets	16:22
@lambday	that's internal part..	16:22
@HeikoS	but only for subset	16:22
@lambday	impl details	16:22
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@HeikoS	for masking dimensions, it is harder	16:22
@HeikoS	as dot needs to be overwritten	16:22
@HeikoS	but yeah	16:23
@HeikoS	that is a cool thing to do	16:23
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@lambday	how about we do it the mathematical way... vector features ... provides (a) add (b) scale...	16:23
@lambday	normed... specifies norm	16:23
@lambday	inner prod\	16:23
@lambday	like that	16:23
@lambday	algorithms simply rely on these functionalities	16:23
@HeikoS	lambday: yeah it is like algos are coded against features API	16:24
@HeikoS	not linalg	16:24
@lambday	HeikoS: that's how it should be, no?	16:24
@HeikoS	yep	16:24
@lambday	linalg is just one special case	16:24
@HeikoS	and oop polymorphism decides which things work and which dont	16:24
@HeikoS	but for that we need some cleaner API	16:25
@lambday	HeikoS: that's the idea	16:25
@HeikoS	and java like interfaces or something	16:25
@HeikoS	so this stuff will all be internal API	16:25
@HeikoS	not SWIG	16:25
@lambday	HeikoS: without MI, we can do that using managers	16:25
@HeikoS	why not do MI?	16:26
@HeikoS	I never got that	16:26
@HeikoS	such a good thing, classes with only purely virutal methods	16:26
@lambday	HeikoS: we may run into weird errors	16:26
@HeikoS	but yeah can also do managers, i am just less familiar with that	16:26
@HeikoS	used java interfaces for ages for such things	16:26
@lambday	HeikoS: so you're saying, use MI for internal structure.. not for SWIG wrappers	16:27
@HeikoS	yeah	16:29
@HeikoS	build a proper ML lib interface inside	16:29
@HeikoS	and then expose gently	16:29
@HeikoS	but there are problems with this as well	16:29
@HeikoS	we dont want to write new interface classes for every algorithm	16:29
@HeikoS	BUT	16:29
@HeikoS	with the plugins stuff	16:29
@HeikoS	we will only have BASE ML interface to swig anyways	16:29
@HeikoS	and the plugins can do their own thing inside	16:29
@HeikoS	so can libshogun	16:30
@HeikoS	so we can do proper stuff there	16:30
@HeikoS	tea time!	16:30
@HeikoS	ill be back later	16:31
@wiking	HeikoS, take care	16:31
@HeikoS	shall we discuss more then?	16:31
@wiking	HeikoS, there's shit storm in london atm	16:31
@lambday	HeikoS: sure	16:31
@HeikoS	wiking: shit storm?	16:31
@wiking	HeikoS, hope you are far away from it	16:31
@wiking	westminster bridge	16:31
CaBa	more like... bullets...	16:31
@wiking	if you dont know	16:31
@wiking	then read bbc	16:31
@lambday	wiking: wtf dude	16:31
@HeikoS	oh wow	16:31
@HeikoS	checking	16:31
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CaBa	:(	16:32
@lambday	wiking: umm.. if things are internal, can't we use multiple template params instead of MI?	16:34
@lambday	just thinking out loud	16:35
@wiking	eh?	16:35
@wiking	havne't been following	16:35
@wiking	:)	16:35
@sukey	Pull Request #3721 "Alternative fix for Dynamic(Object)Array::clone()" synchronized by lkuchenb - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3721	16:35
@lambday	wiking: let me scribble something	16:36
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CaBa	HeikoS: sorry i vaguely remember i asked that already, but what was the issue with init list vs register_params() assign?	16:39
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CaBa	HeikoS: and then... just a day ago or so you said you wanted indent / whitespace corrections in separate commits and now you're telling me in #3731 to squash?	16:42
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@HeikoS	CaBa: jojo	16:47
CaBa	heya	16:47
@HeikoS	CaBa: so whitespace -> you are right	16:47
@HeikoS	maybe I did see something wrong, but definitely in sep commits	16:47
@HeikoS	CaBa: in #3731 there are just a few more of those doxy comments that you copied in	16:48
CaBa	yep i know, killing them	16:48
CaBa	i'm more wondering about the init point	16:48
@HeikoS	CaBa: yeah that thing	16:49
@HeikoS	so registered parameters should get initialised in the same method as they are registered	16:49
CaBa	because?	16:49
@HeikoS	otherwise, it can be forgotten to be initialized at all (muliple constructors) and this has lead to errors earlier	16:49
CaBa	k. any pref as to init before or after reg?	16:50
@HeikoS	doesnt matter, just in the same method	16:50
CaBa	k	16:50
@HeikoS	and then this same method is called from all constructors	16:50
@HeikoS	which means you cannot use the init fields, but have to assign by hand	16:50
CaBa	well there is only one constructur :P	16:50
CaBa	but who knows... more may come in the future ^^	16:50
@HeikoS	sure, it is more style of Shogun, we should keep it consistent	16:51
@HeikoS	lambday: soso	16:51
@lambday	HeikoS: yo	16:51
@HeikoS	lambday: how to proceed with these features	16:51
@lambday	HeikoS: trying to scribble something	16:51
@HeikoS	making everything read only would be a start?	16:52
@lambday	HeikoS: sure	16:52
@lambday	HeikoS: but in order to do that, we gotta move subsets out	16:52
@lambday	that itself is a massive task	16:52
@HeikoS	why?	16:52
@lambday	HeikoS: let's have the design on paper first	16:52
@HeikoS	yeah ok	16:52
@lambday	we gotta make sure that we thought this through :D	16:53
CaBa	HeikoS: you have a standard name for such a func? register_params is only half correct now ;)	16:53
@HeikoS	we used to call it "init"	16:53
@HeikoS	or "register_params"	16:54
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CaBa	HeikoS: access specifier?	16:54
@HeikoS	?	16:55
CaBa	protected or private?	16:55
@HeikoS	private	16:55
@HeikoS	it is never called from elsewhere	16:55
@HeikoS	subclass calls baseclass constructor	16:55
lisitsyn	stupid q	16:57
lisitsyn	does sgvector copy on assignment? :D	16:58
lisitsyn	rat shit bat shit	16:59
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: didnt you make that?	16:59
lisitsyn	make what	17:00
@HeikoS	copy	17:00
lisitsyn	no idea	17:00
lisitsyn	I can't remember all the evil I made	17:01
@HeikoS	we did a lot of const ref changes last year when vectors are passed	17:01
@wiking	btw	17:02
@wiking	how about	17:02
@wiking	this is just a mental note here	17:02
@wiking	i truely dont wanna shit over this whole effort of making things better	17:02
@wiking	but	17:02
@wiking	SG_REF & SG_UNREF	17:02
@wiking	:)	17:03
lisitsyn	what's with sgref	17:03
@wiking	i mean	17:03
@HeikoS	it should go away	17:03
@wiking	that is bat shit crazy	17:03
@wiking	in 2017	17:03
lisitsyn	ah	17:03
lisitsyn	do you see anyone against that?	17:03
lisitsyn	:P	17:03
@wiking	no i mean	17:03
@wiking	what about putting significant	17:04
@wiking	effort to do that	17:04
@HeikoS	yeah +1	17:04
@wiking	i reckon that is a huge usability impact	17:04
@wiking	and now that we require c++11	17:04
@HeikoS	I think: hackathon we make a draft and figure out details, GSoC a student deploys these	17:04
@HeikoS	end of year, we integrate that stuff back in	17:04
@wiking	we could even use like shared_ptr	17:04
@wiking	or wrap it	17:04
@wiking	i dont mind	17:04
@wiking	just get rid of that logic	17:05
@wiking	like asap	17:05
lisitsyn	ehm we have a wrapper	17:05
lisitsyn	:)	17:05
@wiking	or say the least	17:05
@wiking	some?	17:05
@wiking	some still leaks	17:05
lisitsyn	yes it is even used	17:05
lisitsyn	really?	17:05
@wiking	based on valgrind	17:05
@wiking	:)	17:05
@HeikoS	no some pls	17:05
lisitsyn	why?	17:05
@HeikoS	thats the meta examples	17:05
@HeikoS	they leak	17:05
@wiking	:D	17:05
lisitsyn	well make me fix it	17:05
@wiking	ok so but what then	17:05
@HeikoS	because I stole sergeys wrap	17:05
@wiking	lisitsyn, we asked	17:05
@wiking	several time	17:05
@wiking	s	17:05
@wiking	but man your memory	17:06
@wiking	is like 0	17:06
@wiking	:)	17:06
lisitsyn	what memory	17:06
lisitsyn	:D	17:06
@wiking	:D	17:06
@wiking	good	17:06
@wiking	robot	17:06
@wiking	:)	17:06
@wiking	now dance ! :)	17:06
lisitsyn	don't hurt me I am a poor russian	17:06
@wiking	shogun-buildbot: dance	17:06
shogun-buildbot	<(^.^<)	17:06
shogun-buildbot	<(^.^)>	17:06
shogun-buildbot	(>^.^)>	17:06
shogun-buildbot	(7^.^)7	17:06
shogun-buildbot	(>^.^<)	17:06
@wiking	sukey flip	17:06
@sukey	(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻	17:06
@wiking	:>	17:06
@wiking	lisitsyn, there poor russian robot :)	17:06
@wiking	here are your friends play with them	17:07
@wiking	ok but yeah	17:07
@wiking	i mean i'm fine of at least having something	17:07
@wiking	that we require	17:07
@wiking	all the gsoc students	17:07
@wiking	to use	17:07
lisitsyn	well set up a mail that forces me to force some	17:07
@wiking	and whatever they encounter	17:07
@wiking	they change to that	17:07
lisitsyn	it is nothing but a shared_ptr	17:07
@wiking	yeah i know	17:07
lisitsyn	replacing it with shared_ptr won't fix that	17:07
lisitsyn	because it is a shared_ptr	17:07
lisitsyn	you bastards :D	17:08
@wiking	mmm	17:08
@wiking	shared_ptr is atomic	17:08
@wiking	no?	17:08
@wiking	is some atomic?	17:08
@wiking	:)	17:08
lisitsyn	so who has 0 memory now	17:08
@wiking	ah i should know c++ standard	17:08
@wiking	by heart? :)	17:08
@wiking	that's the point here	17:09
lisitsyn	I have no idea if it is atomic	17:09
lisitsyn	it's as atomic as SG_REF	17:09
@wiking	ref is	17:09
@wiking	:)	17:09
@sukey	New Commit "Proper way to handle W in OCAS SVM" to shogun-toolbox/shogun by lisitsyn: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/b7b9dfeb9a2640c8eede9e13e72e870167b12e9e	17:10
@sukey	Pull Request #3674 "Use weight vector only through getters/setters" synchronized by lisitsyn - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3674	17:10
lisitsyn	bitch please!	17:10
@wiking	oooooo	17:10
@wiking	sergey just commited	17:10
@wiking	:)	17:10
lisitsyn	ohoho	17:10
lisitsyn	it's because you broke my life	17:10
@wiking	ahhaha	17:10
@wiking	i did i see	17:10
lisitsyn	so you some-haters	17:12
@wiking	but yeah	17:12
lisitsyn	tell me how do you replace it	17:12
@wiking	what the fuck we d with it	17:12
lisitsyn	:P	17:12
@wiking	because	17:12
@wiking	now that we are going to be having	17:12
lisitsyn	show me where does it leak	17:12
@wiking	just another way to do	17:12
@wiking	shit	17:12
@wiking	is a bit crazy	17:12
@wiking	lisitsyn, ask valgrind	17:12
@wiking	what am i, a service?	17:12
@wiking	:)	17:12
@HeikoS	the meta example leak	17:12
lisitsyn	$ valgrind [19:07:43]	17:12
lisitsyn	valgrind: no program specified	17:12
lisitsyn	valgrind: Use --help for more information.	17:12
@HeikoS	but not because of some	17:12
@HeikoS	but because of wrap	17:12
@wiking	:>	17:13
@wiking	sexy	17:13
@wiking	:D	17:13
lisitsyn	wiking: it doesn't work	17:13
@wiking	some, any, wrap, ref	17:13
@wiking	lisitsyn, fucker!	17:13
lisitsyn	wiking: what should I do	17:13
@wiking	lisitsyn, i knew that we cannot trust services!!!	17:13
@wiking	microservices are all lying	17:13
@wiking	!!!	17:13
lisitsyn	valgrind doesn't work	17:13
@wiking	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh	17:13
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@wiking	they are all just waiting to kill us	17:13
@wiking	microwars	17:13
@wiking	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	17:13
lisitsyn	val grind	17:14
lisitsyn	hello	17:14
@HeikoS	guys	17:14
@HeikoS	guys	17:14
@wiking	mmm yeah man that girnds	17:14
@HeikoS	code of conduct	17:14
@HeikoS	:D	17:14
@wiking	where	17:14
@wiking	?	17:14
@wiking	who?	17:14
lisitsyn	code of valgrind	17:14
@wiking	grind it!	17:14
@wiking	GRIND IT DOWN!	17:14
@wiking	GRIND IT DOWN!	17:14
lisitsyn	I think I'll send the first complaint	17:14
@wiking	do you think if we add some microservices to shogun	17:14
lisitsyn	to this wiking	17:14
@wiking	things will start working?	17:14
@wiking	we need webscale!	17:15
@wiking	maybe adding mongodb	17:15
@wiking	will hep	17:15
@wiking	*help	17:15
lisitsyn	it should work	17:15
@wiking	ok	17:15
@wiking	i thought so	17:15
@wiking	:)	17:15
@wiking	so we add couple of microservices	17:15
@wiking	and mongodb	17:15
lisitsyn	wiking: http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/cookbook%20-%20PR/builds/524/steps/configure/logs/stdio	17:15
@wiking	anything else?	17:15
lisitsyn	fix it plz	17:15
lisitsyn	plz	17:15
lisitsyn	:D	17:15
lisitsyn	devops	17:15
@wiking	do we need redis?	17:15
lisitsyn	plez	17:15
@wiking	maybe redis as well	17:15
lisitsyn	pleazee	17:15
@wiking	UNFIXABLE	17:16
@wiking	:)	17:16
lisitsyn	I don't have the password	17:16
@wiking	so redis, mongodb	17:16
lisitsyn	can't touch this	17:16
@wiking	lisitsyn, dont be a bithc please	17:16
@wiking	you have access to shogun-infra	17:16
lisitsyn	it doesn't work	17:16
@wiking	there's the whole code for buildbot	17:16
@wiking	you can move that stupid service	17:16
@wiking	to any host	17:16
@wiking	:)	17:16
@wiking	so	17:16
lisitsyn	but it doesn't work	17:16
@wiking	open it with your little hands	17:16
@wiking	and make it work	17:16
@wiking	:)	17:16
@wiking	microservices, no?	17:16
@wiking	i think that should work	17:17
lisitsyn	$ brew install redis	17:17
lisitsyn	still	17:17
lisitsyn	wiking: fix it pleaze	17:17
@wiking	mmm	17:17
@wiking	zookeeper	17:17
@wiking	you need that as well	17:17
@wiking	!	17:17
lisitsyn	ruok	17:18
@wiking	yeyeyee!	17:18
@wiking	good idea!	17:18
lisitsyn	imok	17:18
lisitsyn	wiking: ruok	17:18
@wiking	but we need consistency	17:18
lisitsyn	wiking: ruok!!!!!	17:18
@wiking	so how do we do that?!	17:18
@wiking	and a fast in memory db	17:18
@wiking	i think that's rockdb	17:18
@wiking	no?	17:18
@wiking	we need that	17:18
lisitsyn	good choice	17:18
@wiking	because for us	17:18
@wiking	using ramfs	17:18
@wiking	is just too oldschoool	17:18
@wiking	like for facebook	17:18
@wiking	:)	17:18
@wiking	lisitsyn, i hope you appreciate the irony :)	17:19
@wiking	lisitsyn, somebody wrote an article about this story with rockdb	17:19
lisitsyn	HeikoS: what's wrap	17:19
lisitsyn	HeikoS: this guy just blames me can you point me a bit closer to where does it leak	17:19
@HeikoS	yeah	17:20
lisitsyn	wiking: oracle should work	17:20
@HeikoS	we instantiate objects in meta example	17:20
@HeikoS	check the c++ output	17:20
@HeikoS	or no that is some	17:20
@HeikoS	but then a SGOBject is returned	17:20
@HeikoS	something like that	17:20
@HeikoS	check c++ listing that is generated	17:20
@HeikoS	or memcheck the tests	17:21
lisitsyn	meta tests?	17:21
@HeikoS	ctest -R generated_cpp-*	17:21
lisitsyn	kk	17:21
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@wiking	lisitsyn, mmmm do we want enterprise?	17:21
@wiking	i mean ok if we want enterprise then we have to do oracle	17:21
@wiking	lisitsyn, so ok	17:24
@wiking	we do super microservices	17:24
@wiking	every object is a service in fact!	17:24
@wiking	ah fuck	17:24
@wiking	!!!	17:24
@wiking	we need RPC!	17:24
lisitsyn	grpc	17:24
@wiking	because you have to have that	17:24
@wiking	!!!	17:24
@wiking	yes yes	17:24
@wiking	add that	17:24
@wiking	good choice!	17:24
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@wiking	mmm but one more thing	17:26
@wiking	i believe	17:26
@wiking	we need a heroku app	17:26
@wiking	no?	17:26
@HeikoS	we have one :D	17:26
@wiking	and of course an ios and android app	17:26
@wiking	DISCLAIMER: all this is a fiction now :)	17:26
@wiking	before anybody starts to take this seriously	17:26
@wiking	:)	17:26
@wiking	lisitsyn, ok so how about we do a distributed db on every ios app	17:27
@wiking	and connect them with grpc	17:27
lisitsyn	wiking: thrift-grpc-bridge	17:27
@wiking	!	17:27
@wiking	definitely!	17:27
lisitsyn	with jackson-gson	17:27
@wiking	good call!	17:27
lisitsyn	but	17:27
lisitsyn	most importantly	17:27
lisitsyn	we run single thread	17:28
lisitsyn	in python	17:28
lisitsyn	because.	17:28
lisitsyn	:D	17:28
@wiking	GIL	17:28
@wiking	of course	17:28
@wiking	what else	17:28
@wiking	there's no point of being without the GIL	17:28
@wiking	lisitsyn, aaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!	17:29
@wiking	asyncIO	17:29
@wiking	only	17:29
@wiking	!	17:29
@wiking	and of course with coroutines!!!	17:29
@wiking	and if anybody asks we serialize everything into json	17:30
@wiking	strictly	17:30
@wiking	as binary formats are confusing	17:30
lisitsyn	wiking: ok sorry to interrupt but I have another build issue	17:30
lisitsyn	:D	17:30
@wiking	:D	17:30
@wiking	tell me	17:31
lisitsyn	where should I run examples!!!!!!!!	17:31
@wiking	well	17:31
lisitsyn	data	17:31
@wiking	if i tell it the way i want	17:31
@wiking	i thnk i really gonna be getting some batshit crazy stuff	17:31
@wiking	with the code of conduct	17:31
lisitsyn	oh	17:31
@wiking	so dont run it on your mama	17:31
@wiking	:)	17:31
lisitsyn	finally	17:31
lisitsyn	found	17:31
lisitsyn	wiking: ok continue please	17:31
lisitsyn	:D	17:31
@wiking	but ctest	17:32
@wiking	that's all	17:32
lisitsyn	nono	17:32
@wiking	it'll run it for you	17:32
@wiking	or you wanna valgrind it?	17:32
lisitsyn	yes	17:32
@wiking	ok	17:32
lisitsyn	wiking: even though valgrind doesn't work!	17:32
@wiking	then run it in the examples/undocumented/libshogun	17:32
@wiking	lalal	17:32
@wiking	because you know	17:32
@wiking	WE ARE SO YOLO	17:32
@wiking	that for us	17:32
@wiking	ENV VARIABLE	17:32
@wiking	is to derogating	17:32
@wiking	we fucking hardcode paths	17:32
@wiking	into the code	17:33
@wiking	:)	17:33
OXPHOS	wiking: can i jump in for a question? So for the xla backend, we're actually expecting a FindTensorflow.cmake, and everything should be pre-installed by users, right?	17:33
@wiking	portability? only crazy people need that	17:33
@wiking	:)	17:33
@wiking	woooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooo	17:33
lisitsyn	ok some is broken	17:33
@wiking	OXPHOS, just dopped th emic	17:33
@wiking	*mic	17:33
@wiking	OXPHOS, mmm the xla	17:34
@wiking	you need actully the compilers	17:34
OXPHOS	lol sorry for disruption	17:34
@wiking	you dont need the tf	17:34
@wiking	:)	17:34
@wiking	no problem	17:34
@wiking	no serious development is happening here	17:34
lisitsyn	oh one more small dependency :D	17:34
@wiking	right lisitsyn ?:)	17:34
@HeikoS	OXPHOS: xla backend ...	17:34
@HeikoS	needs some serious discussion	17:34
@wiking	HeikoS, dont interrupt	17:34
lisitsyn	la petite dependency!	17:34
@wiking	dont need discussion	17:34
@HeikoS	lol :)	17:34
@wiking	shiiis	17:34
@wiking	Pan is working	17:34
@wiking	let her be!	17:35
@HeikoS	OXPHOS: these guys got themselves into some serious excitement	17:35
@wiking	OXPHOS, ok so	17:35
OXPHOS	HeikoS: wiking really likes it	17:35
@wiking	for xla you want find XLA	17:35
@wiking	OXPHOS, you want me to write it for you?	17:35
@HeikoS	me too	17:35
OXPHOS	cool	17:35
@HeikoS	but it wont work with the api we have	17:35
OXPHOS	wiking: I did	17:35
@wiking	because what u need	17:35
@HeikoS	in linalg	17:35
@wiking	is the JIT	17:35
@wiking	HeikoS, could	17:35
@wiking	it'll be a bit rudimentary	17:35
@HeikoS	dont think so	17:36
@wiking	but it could work	17:36
@wiking	why not	17:36
@wiking	i mena it wont work the most efficient way	17:36
@wiking	but it is gonna work	17:36
@HeikoS	because linalg blocks and gives you result	17:36
@wiking	you just get the client	17:36
@wiking	and do the blocks one by one	17:36
@HeikoS	but in xla you draft first and then execute and wait for result	17:36
@wiking	:)	17:36
@HeikoS	is that a good idea?	17:36
@wiking	yeah but who forces you	17:36
@wiking	well	17:36
@wiking	it's a start	17:36
@wiking	no?	17:36
@wiking	and then	17:36
@wiking	later you can do nops	17:36
@HeikoS	I think a different api is needed for that	17:36
@wiking	and then execute it on the end	17:36
@wiking	HeikoS, always getting lost in the details	17:37
@wiking	look at lisitsyn	17:37
@wiking	:)	17:37
@wiking	OXPHOS, ok but so you realise	17:37
lisitsyn	what	17:37
@wiking	that xla is actually totally	17:37
@wiking	detachable	17:37
@wiking	from tf	17:37
@HeikoS	linalg is more low level	17:37
@wiking	right?	17:37
@wiking	HeikoS, i mean from a codegen jit shit	17:37
@wiking	you cannot	17:37
@wiking	get more lowlevel	17:37
@wiking	:)	17:37
@HeikoS	sure	17:37
@HeikoS	but the API	17:37
OXPHOS	wiking: yes..but I didn't find a way, or haven't tried hard enough to find out how xla compile on itself	17:38
@wiking	ah	17:38
@wiking	ok	17:38
@wiking	i se	17:38
@wiking	HeikoS, yeah but that's ok	17:38
@wiking	you can make xla work in pieces	17:38
@HeikoS	would rather do GPU stuff and show its useful somewhere first	17:38
@HeikoS	but hey we can work on it	17:38
@HeikoS	its a cool topic	17:38
@wiking	and then	17:38
@HeikoS	yeah true	17:38
@wiking	anyways	17:38
@wiking	you are not forced	17:38
@wiking	to execute	17:38
@wiking	you can say	17:38
@wiking	QR... dot ... allalala	17:38
@HeikoS	sure, need a new API for tha tthough	17:38
@wiking	and all these operations are stacked	17:38
@HeikoS	linalg gives you SGMatrix in that case	17:39
@wiking	and you return actually null matrices	17:39
@wiking	:)	17:39
@wiking	yeah and?	17:39
@wiking	empty matrix	17:39
@wiking	who cares	17:39
@wiking	:)	17:39
@HeikoS	and then you do something with the matrix	17:39
CaBa	HeikoS: #3721, merge/	17:39
CaBa	?	17:39
@HeikoS	and do another linalg call	17:39
@wiking	HeikoS, yeah but if its really only a series of linalgs	17:39
@wiking	then you could do NOPs	17:39
@wiking	i mean stack the oeprations	17:39
@HeikoS	how does xla know this matrix is the one that was the qr result earlier?	17:39
@wiking	and give back random matrix	17:39
@HeikoS	as linalg takes a sgmatrix in	17:39
@HeikoS	I get the output empty matrix thing	17:39
@HeikoS	but how can you stack stuff up?	17:40
@HeikoS	if it returns a sgmatrix?	17:40
@wiking	if you dont touc	17:40
@wiking	the output of the prev operation	17:40
@wiking	then just call the next one	17:40
@wiking	each time behind the linalg	17:40
@wiking	it's the same client	17:40
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@HeikoS	what if it returns multiple thing and you just want some of that?	17:40
@wiking	and what if the sky is red and not blue?	17:40
@wiking	dunno	17:40
@HeikoS	i.e. API issues	17:40
@wiking	but if we dont start doing this	17:40
@HeikoS	linalg API is not suited	17:41
@wiking	we never gonna do this	17:41
@HeikoS	true that	17:41
@wiking	and discussing this	17:41
@wiking	is not going to help	17:41
@HeikoS	but that needs something for graph computation	17:41
@wiking	until it doesnt fucking break apart	17:41
@HeikoS	like define computation before executring it	17:41
@wiking	yeah cool	17:41
@HeikoS	but hey	17:41
@wiking	lets try to do it	17:41
@wiking	and see where things start seriously	17:41
@HeikoS	I already agreed :D	17:41
@wiking	breaking apart	17:41
@HeikoS	sure	17:41
@HeikoS	next next hackathon :)	17:41
@wiking	honestly	17:41
@sukey	Pull Request #3730 "Register parameters for CMKL and override clone()" synchronized by lkuchenb - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3730	17:41
@wiking	if we dont do this	17:41
@wiking	we are fucked	17:41
@HeikoS	yes thats the way to do things	17:42
@wiking	since xla et al	17:42
@wiking	is gonnna be maintained	17:42
@wiking	and actually by a lot of people	17:42
@HeikoS	yeah all ++	17:42
@wiking	our codebase? :)	17:42
@wiking	SG_REF	17:42
@wiking	:)	17:42
@HeikoS	haha	17:42
@wiking	i mean i guess you get the irony	17:42
@wiking	:)	17:42
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@HeikoS	/home/heiko/git/shogun/src/shogun/classifier/svm/SVMLight.cpp: In member function ‘float64_t* shogun::CSVMLight::optimize_qp(shogun::QP, float64_t, int32_t, float64_t*, int32_t&)’:	17:43
@HeikoS	/home/heiko/git/shogun/src/shogun/classifier/svm/SVMLight.cpp:2444:9: error: ‘STILL_RUNNING’ was not declared in this scope	17:43
@HeikoS	result=STILL_RUNNING;	17:43
@HeikoS	config.h	17:43
@HeikoS	changed branch	17:43
@HeikoS	reran cmake	17:43
@wiking	HeikoS, can you please	17:43
@wiking	chack	17:43
@wiking	that you	17:43
@HeikoS	yet will fix it	17:43
@wiking	dont have config.h, class_list.cpp, versionstring.h	17:43
@wiking	in your SOURCE dirs	17:44
@sukey	Pull Request #3731 "LibSVM parameters" synchronized by lkuchenb - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3731	17:44
CaBa	so, guys, #3721 is ready for merge IMHO, #3730 and #3731 are in travis	17:45
@wiking	see	17:45
@wiking	another productive member here	17:46
@wiking	:)	17:46
OXPHOS	any conclusion :)? I'll probably get the xla and FinaXLA.cmake working for me first	17:46
@wiking	OXPHOS, if u need help	17:46
@wiking	lemme know	17:47
@wiking	i'm gonna crash	17:47
@wiking	but yeah	17:47
@wiking	yo udont need tf	17:47
@wiking	only XLA	17:47
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@wiking	OXPHOS, just try to install it with bazel	17:47
@wiking	and then you'll get all the headers and libs and binaries in place	17:48
OXPHOS	wiking: thanks. not sure what to ask yet. but I'll try	17:48
OXPHOS	wiking: i did. and just find out you need extra steps to make JIT work	17:48
OXPHOS	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42719117/how-to-exercise-tensorflow-xla-aot-support-in-tensorflows-distribution	17:48
CaBa	.oO(and i don't want to read any further ideas for improvements! :P)	17:48
OXPHOS	wiking took my old laptop quite a while to run bazel	17:49
@wiking	:)))))))))))	17:49
@wiking	yeah bazel is a bitch	17:49
@wiking	it sucks up like couple of gigs	17:49
@wiking	as a starter	17:49
@wiking	:)	17:49
OXPHOS	indeed	17:50
@wiking	but yeah	17:50
@wiking	after the first time	17:50
@wiking	things are smooth	17:50
@wiking	:)	17:50
OXPHOS	sounds	17:50
OXPHOS	weird	17:50
OXPHOS	lol	17:50
@wiking	:D	17:50
@wiking	i did not SAY that	17:50
@wiking	just to be clear!	17:50
@wiking	you did	17:50
@wiking	(code of conduct!	17:50
@wiking	)	17:51
OXPHOS	good thing without logs	17:51
@wiking	:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.	17:51
@wiking	anyhow	17:52
@wiking	yeah	17:53
@wiking	once you have the jit	17:53
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@wiking	then only thing you need is to detect that	17:53
@wiking	and the client.h	17:53
@wiking	after that	17:53
@wiking	you should be golden	17:53
rads	..lurking	17:53
OXPHOS	wiking: I think I got that part already (hopefully)	17:54
OXPHOS	installation :)))	17:54
OXPHOS	thx wiking.	17:54
@wiking	cool	17:54
@wiking	then just detect XLA	17:54
@wiking	no need for tf	17:54
OXPHOS	sure	17:54
@wiking	and start just throwing 1 by 1	17:55
@wiking	some simple operations on the jit	17:55
@wiking	see if it works at all	17:55
@wiking	i mean the shitty part is going to be the data munging	17:55
@wiking	i believe	17:55
@lambday	omigod... so much love..	17:56
@lambday	love, love everywhere	17:56
@lambday	did I miss the grabs popcorn moments?	17:57
@wiking	OXPHOS, https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/blob/master/tensorflow/compiler/xla/array2d.h	17:57
@HeikoS	CaBa: will check your prs soon	17:57
@wiking	OXPHOS, i guess you could wrap sgmatrix T* into std::vector	17:57
@wiking	or?	17:57
@wiking	&vector[0] will give you the array	17:58
CaBa	HeikoS: as long as you don't get any ideas... :D	17:58
@wiking	lambday, can you do the wrapping actually?	17:58
@lambday	wiking: what wrapping?	17:58
@lambday	sorry I wasn't following	17:58
@HeikoS	also all data structures in SG should be just wrapped std::vectors :)	17:58
@lambday	HeikoS: huh? when did we decide on that?	17:58
@HeikoS	lambday: didnt	17:59
@HeikoS	but I think it is a good idea	17:59
@wiking	lambday, say i have a void* array	17:59
@lambday	oh I thought I missed some good discussion (like today's.. treat to read)	17:59
@wiking	lambday, and wanna somehow wrap that into a std::vector	17:59
@lambday	wiking: type info?	17:59
@wiking	what ever	17:59
@wiking	doulble*	17:59
@wiking	and i wanna just pass in the memory chunk	18:00
@wiking	to std::vector	18:00
@wiking	and have it wrapped	18:00
@wiking	but not copied	18:00
@lambday	okay.. so I'd std::move it	18:00
@lambday	pass the ownership?	18:00
@wiking	coz vector.push_Back	18:00
@lambday	I mean, should std::vector be responsible for free-ing it as well?	18:00
@wiking	is not really a nice thing when the array lenght is 1k++	18:00
@lambday	or that memory chunk is referenced somewhere else	18:01
@wiking	nono	18:01
@wiking	just wrapping	18:01
@lambday	okay	18:01
@wiking	no need to do allocation/deallocation managment	18:01
@lambday	wiking: I see	18:01
@lambday	can be done	18:01
@lambday	something like reference_wrapper	18:02
@lambday	would that memory be modified?	18:02
@lambday	wiking:	18:02
@wiking	yep	18:02
@lambday	okay	18:02
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@sukey	Pull Request #3674 "Use weight vector only through getters/setters" synchronized by lisitsyn - https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/3674	18:02
@lambday	wiking: so, shall I write a wrapper class.. or... ?	18:03
@wiking	nono	18:03
@wiking	just a question	18:03
@wiking	how would it go	18:03
@wiking	say	18:03
@wiking	SGMatrix.matrix	18:03
@wiking	to be wrapped around by std::vector	18:03
@lambday	wiking: doable	18:04
@lambday	I think	18:04
@lambday	wiking: so, my question is : where would that method go? cause this can apply to any memory chunk.. doesn't need to be inside SGMatrix.. thus, a util class method or simply a method within shogun namespace?	18:07
@wiking	lambday, this is XLA <-> SGMatrix	18:07
@wiking	:)	18:07
@lambday	oh	18:07
@lambday	so XLA needs it to be std::vector, eh	18:08
@lambday	cool	18:08
@wiking	yes	18:08
@lambday	I say, let's write a separate method.. inside SGMatrix --> XLA map, we call it	18:09
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@wiking	i mean we can put it for now	18:13
@wiking	as a static	18:13
@wiking	into anywhere	18:13
@wiking	:)	18:13
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@wiking	as OXPHOS just works on this as PoC	18:18
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@wiking	lisitsyn, товарищ	18:22
@wiking	is the microservice scalable thing ready for deployment ? :)	18:23
@wiking	we need 10 of those!	18:23
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lisitsyn	what? :D	20:53
lisitsyn	I entered the ticket I work on at my job	20:54
lisitsyn	hahaha	20:54
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CaBa	lisitsyn: lol	21:13
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lisitsyn	hah that was ridiculous	21:21
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rads	hey guys! i have a question	21:25
rads	is there an issue compiling shogun manually on a mac with anaconda3? somehow the python.h file is not being seen by shogun	21:26
CaBa	never used anaconda	21:37
CaBa	so you can't compile in the first place i take it?	21:38
CaBa	the only problem i had with building sg incl py bindings on my mac was related to additional py installs other than the system py	21:39
rads	the problem comes while compiling with the python interface	21:39
CaBa	rads: so how exactly do you compile sg?	21:43
rads	kinda did this cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=path/to/shogun/install/dir -DPYTHON_INCLUDE_DIR=path/to/anaconda/include/python2.7/ -DPYTHON_LIBRARY=path/to/anaconda/lib/libpython2.7.so -DPYTHON_EXECUTABLE=path/to/anaconda/bin/python -DPythonModular=On ..	21:44
rads	to link to the anaconda distr	21:45
CaBa	hm i have no experience with anaconda. maybe they have some virtual-env like mode where they configure your environment such that everything python related points to their distribution?	21:47
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CaBa	there seems to be something like conda envs... maybe try to install shogun from one of those?	21:49
rads	isn't that helpful when you need different python versions on one system?	21:55
rads	as in, in anaconda itself	21:56
lisitsyn	rads: I just used the same thing with my anaconda	21:59
rads	which one??	22:01
lisitsyn	rads: well -DPYTHON_LIBRARY and so on	22:01
rads	on mac? hmm i've been trying for some time now	22:02
lisitsyn	rads: ah yeh it failed	22:03
rads	how did you make it work?	22:04
lisitsyn	rads: no I didn't	22:05
rads	ok so what to do now? :P	22:05
lisitsyn	rads: experimenting here :)	22:10
rads	:P	22:12
rads	it only works without the python binding	22:13
lisitsyn	rads: no it worked	22:14
lisitsyn	rads: show the options :P	22:14
lisitsyn	-DPYTHON_INCLUDE_DIR=path/to/anaconda/include/python2.7/	22:14
lisitsyn	this one is wrong in your case	22:15
lisitsyn	are you sure about that?	22:15
rads	no that's not the exact thing	22:15
rads	wait a sec	22:15
lisitsyn	I mean the path itself that you used, does it contain the Python.h	22:15
lisitsyn	yeah i get its a placeholder	22:15
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lisitsyn	just list the directory you used to check it has Python.h	22:15
rads	-DPYTHON_INCLUDE_DIR= anaconda3/include/python3.6m/	22:16
lisitsyn	~/?	22:17
rads	it worked for the libraries	22:18
lisitsyn	rads: use absolute path	22:18
lisitsyn	or relative to your home	22:18
lisitsyn	I think that could be an issue	22:18
lisitsyn	or the issue :)	22:19
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rads_	lemme try this from the start..	22:22
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rads_	lisitsyn did you use source activate?	22:25
lisitsyn	rads_: no	22:25
lisitsyn	rads_: I think you've lost your connection?	22:26
lisitsyn	I suggested to not use relative paths	22:26
rads_	yeah i did lose it..trying it again	22:26
lisitsyn	rads_: use something like ~/anaconda3/include/python3.5m or so	22:27
lisitsyn	rads_: because it could be in different directory when compliinng the stuff	22:28
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rads_	daaang	23:01
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