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@sukey | [https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun] Pull Request https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/4272 opened by filipefilardi | 04:43 |
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Chris__ | Hi, I would like to use CrossValidation with ROC Evaluation. Is there a way to get ROC and auROC for the individual splits? As far as I can see it's only possible to get the mean auROC by calling CrossValidationResult.obtain_From_generic(result).mean... | 08:56 |
@wiking | Chris__, hi | 09:13 |
@wiking | lemme dig out a snippet for you | 09:13 |
Chris__ | that would be awesome. So in the end I would like to plot the ROC curve and therefore need the values of get_ROC()... | 09:54 |
@sukey | [https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun] Pull Request https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/4273 opened by vinx13 | 10:23 |
shogitter | (fyoda) @bazdmeg issue https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/issues/4265 should be fixed | 11:10 |
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@sukey | [https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun] Pull Request https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/4271 merged by karlnapf | 11:50 |
@sukey | [https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun] New commit https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/c461f9c59497baaa089dadbaa78f1161cfe4acc3 by karlnapf | 11:50 |
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travis-ci | it's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/374332659 | 12:24 |
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travis-ci | it's Heiko Strathmann's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun: https://travis-ci.org/shogun-toolbox/shogun/builds/374332659 | 13:08 |
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@HeikoS | lisitsyn: jojo | 16:38 |
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@HeikoS | shubham808: hi! | 17:59 |
@HeikoS | micmn: hi! | 17:59 |
shubham808 | hi :D | 17:59 |
@HeikoS | wuwei: hi | 17:59 |
micmn | hellooo! | 17:59 |
wuwei | hi | 17:59 |
@HeikoS | who is missing? | 18:00 |
@HeikoS | elfarouk | 18:00 |
shubham808 | elfarouk | 18:00 |
@HeikoS | fernando | 18:00 |
@HeikoS | wiking wont make it i think, neither will lea | 18:00 |
@HeikoS | ok lets wait one more min | 18:00 |
micmn | giovanni? | 18:00 |
@HeikoS | ah yes | 18:02 |
shogitter | (geektoni) Yes, I'm here | 18:02 |
@HeikoS | cool! | 18:03 |
@HeikoS | anyone heard of elfarouk? | 18:03 |
@HeikoS | ok let's start, we have the log | 18:03 |
@HeikoS | s | 18:03 |
@HeikoS | Good to go? | 18:04 |
@HeikoS | Ok, so welcome to the Shogun GSoC kick off meeting | 18:04 |
@HeikoS | We are very excited to have you all on board! | 18:04 |
wuwei | ok | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | You were among the top applicants and we are sure that we will run an exciting and productibe GSoC this year | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | This meeting is to get all of you started, how your GSoC weeks will look like, what we expect from you during and at the end of GSoC -- and to answer all your questions. | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | Please interrupt me with questions at any time. | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | Agenda: | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | -Welcome & Introduction | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | -Our expectations | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | -The community bonding period: action points | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | -Questions | 18:05 |
@HeikoS | Anyone wants to add something? (y/n) | 18:05 |
shogitter | (geektoni) it's okay from my side ;) | 18:06 |
@HeikoS | wuwei, shubham808? | 18:06 |
@HeikoS | fell asleep? | 18:06 |
@HeikoS | already? | 18:06 |
@HeikoS | :D | 18:06 |
shubham808 | no haha | 18:07 |
micmn | :P | 18:07 |
wuwei | okay, i see | 18:07 |
shubham808 | lets start with those points | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | ok cool | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | Introduction: | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | Can everyone please introduce themselves (and their project) in 2-3 sentences? | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | I will go ahead | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | I am Heiko, I run this year's GSoC with Viktor. | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | I just finished a PhD in Machine Learning / Neuroscience in London. | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | My research evolves around kernel methods and Bayesian inference. | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | I initially got involved with Shogun during GSoC 2011 as a student, and stayed around since then. Long time | 18:07 |
@HeikoS | wuwei: you want to go next? | 18:08 |
@HeikoS | or shubham808? | 18:09 |
@HeikoS | or somebody else? :) | 18:09 |
lisitsyn | I am Sergey :P | 18:09 |
shubham808 | Hi I am Shubham, undergrad in Information technology | 18:09 |
shubham808 | This is my junior year | 18:09 |
shubham808 | and i am working on Inside the Black Box project | 18:10 |
lisitsyn | what's the project about, in a sentence? | 18:10 |
shubham808 | its about premature stopping in iterative algorithms | 18:11 |
@HeikoS | shubham808: did you meet geektoni yet? | 18:12 |
@HeikoS | shogitter: toni did you meet shubham808 yet? | 18:12 |
shubham808 | not yet :) | 18:12 |
shogitter | (geektoni) No, I don't think we have met before :) | 18:12 |
@HeikoS | ok let's make sure to have a chat soon :) | 18:12 |
shogitter | (geektoni) yep, exactly | 18:12 |
@HeikoS | wuwei: you want to introduce yourself next? | 18:12 |
shubham808 | @geektoni sure | 18:12 |
wuwei | Hi I am Wuwei, undergraduate junior in Shanghai Jiao Tong university. My project, continuous detox, will focus on redesigning features processors, and implement un-templates data type | 18:13 |
@HeikoS | wuwei and micmn, have you two met already? | 18:13 |
micmn | no :) | 18:13 |
lisitsyn | do we go for Matrix without <T>? | 18:13 |
wuwei | Not yet | 18:13 |
lisitsyn | I mean is it planned? | 18:13 |
lisitsyn | HeikoS: is it ok I am playing Gu? :P | 18:14 |
@HeikoS | the reason I ask is because both of shubham808 and wuwei 's projects are continuations of last years projects, done by michele and toni | 18:14 |
wuwei | Yeah | 18:14 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: yeah sure | 18:14 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: I think that is one of the ideas in wuwei s proposal | 18:14 |
@HeikoS | but lets discuss that later | 18:14 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: you want to introduce yourself beyond your name? :) | 18:15 |
wuwei | I will continue from the previous pr of switched based matrix, and implement something that can be put into use | 18:15 |
lisitsyn | yeah why not. I joined Shogun nearly the same year as Heiko did | 18:15 |
lisitsyn | since then my participance heavily reduced :P | 18:16 |
lisitsyn | but I'd be happy to discuss something about design of shogun | 18:16 |
lisitsyn | I could help with some C++sh things you might need to resolve, that's how HeikoS employs me nowadays | 18:17 |
@HeikoS | lisitsyn: exactly :D | 18:17 |
shogitter | (geektoni) lisitsyn == Shogun's C++ Guru | 18:17 |
@HeikoS | personal c++ coach | 18:17 |
@HeikoS | ok so moving on: | 18:18 |
@HeikoS | Expectations of GSoC: | 18:18 |
@HeikoS | Very briefly, we expect you to be pro-active and to get involved in Shogun, to work full-time (40h/week), and to finish your projects according to your schedule. | 18:18 |
@HeikoS | For the coding projects, this includes well written, well designed, well documented, well tested code. | 18:18 |
@HeikoS | Everyone is expected to blog about their GSoC participation, details will follow. | 18:18 |
@HeikoS | We want you to become members of our community, at least during the summer (and we hope that you'll enjoy it so much that you continue to be part). | 18:18 |
@HeikoS | Don't just code alone in the dark, share the experience with others: mentors, students, blog-followers, etc. | 18:19 |
@HeikoS | Very importantly, please always be visible in IRC during GSoC working hours, and try to talk to your mentor or other Shoguners every day. | 18:19 |
@HeikoS | Last but not least, we expect everyone to enjoy this experience -- we did so in the past :) | 18:19 |
@HeikoS | Any comments? questions from shubham808 or wuwei? Experiences from micmn or geektoni? | 18:19 |
micmn | so as you probably know past year I was where you are know | 18:20 |
micmn | so feel free to ask me anything about gsoc/shogun | 18:20 |
micmn | and especially wuwei about my past yer project | 18:20 |
wuwei | great, hope to see things going on this summer | 18:21 |
micmn | I'm very excited that you will continue from were I left :) | 18:21 |
@HeikoS | shubham808, wuwei: it is cool that micmn and geektoni stayed around. They even joined a recent workshop we organised in Budapest. We hope that you two will stay as well :) | 18:21 |
shubham808 | cheers | 18:21 |
@HeikoS | ok so then | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | The community bonding period: action points | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | (what you should do now) | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | As you know, GSoC starts at May 14 | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | The time from now until GSoC start is supposed to be used for you guys getting to know each other and the community. | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | Talk to each other, hang out in IRC, help people on the mailing list and on stack overflow, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/shogun | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | Discuss each other's project ideas if you want | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | In addition, each mentor/student pair should come up with a *detailed* schedule of the project (based on the proposals). | 18:22 |
@HeikoS | Take the time to discuss all technical/design details of the projects. | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | Try to be as concrete as possible: this is not about "what and when" but "what exactly and when exactly" you do it. | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | Furthermore, we ask you do have a video chat session with your mentors. Please organise yourselves. | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | this is: | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | Heiko, shubham808, toni | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | wiking, wuwei, micmn | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | In addition, see the email I wrote about the release help and the ipython notebooks | 18:23 |
@HeikoS | I have seen PRs on this, which is great! | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | Let's keep that going, so that you touch parts of Shogun that are not necessarily part of your project | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | In summary | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | Action points/deliverables before GSoC start | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | -be active in IRC | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | -help us with the release | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | -detailed plan of your project (public) | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | -a video chat session with your mentors | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | Don't start your projects yet. Rather PLAN them, and engange. The time to DO starts mid May. | 18:24 |
@HeikoS | Questions? | 18:24 |
shogitter | (geektoni) general note from me (for the future coding period), we are here to help you ;) so, if you get stuck in some task, talking and discussing with one of us is a good to see the problem more clearly (and then find a solution more easily ;) ) | 18:25 |
@HeikoS | good point! | 18:25 |
shogitter | (geektoni) so, don't be afraid to ask questions ;) | 18:26 |
@HeikoS | We in fact love to see lots of traffic in this IRC channel :) | 18:26 |
shogitter | (geektoni) it will also save you hours of sleep (belive me, it's true) | 18:26 |
shogitter | (geektoni) :D | 18:26 |
@HeikoS | shubham808, wuwei, are there any questions from your side? | 18:27 |
wuwei | okay for me | 18:27 |
shubham808 | me too | 18:27 |
@HeikoS | ok. Make sure to initiate a video conference with your mentors | 18:27 |
@HeikoS | can I leave the responsibility to organise that with you wuwei and shubham808? | 18:28 |
shubham808 | yeah | 18:28 |
wuwei | sure | 18:28 |
@HeikoS | cool! make sure to integrate toni and michele. | 18:28 |
@HeikoS | That's it then for this meeting! | 18:28 |
@HeikoS | Thx everyone | 18:28 |
micmn | giovanni you still there? | 18:34 |
shogitter | (geektoni) micmn: yes yes, still here | 18:35 |
micmn | do you have 1 min to talk in private? | 18:35 |
shogitter | (geektoni) micmn: sure man | 18:37 |
micmn | whatsapp? | 18:37 |
shogitter | (geektoni) micmn: kk | 18:37 |
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lisitsyn | lol! | 18:56 |
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lisitsyn | meeting 2.0 | 19:01 |
iglesiasg | hallo | 19:01 |
iglesiasg | hey Farouk, how are you? | 19:01 |
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Farouk_ | Hi everyone | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | so lisitsyn | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | what does this link show you? :) https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc | 19:03 |
Farouk_ | Did I actually miss the meeting? | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, we did apparently | 19:03 |
lisitsyn | 17:02! | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | I am not sure if miss is the right word but it does not matter | 19:03 |
lisitsyn | aah | 19:03 |
lisitsyn | LONDON is +1 | 19:03 |
lisitsyn | :D :D | 19:03 |
Farouk_ | Yea same 17:02 | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, you are lucky I 'miss' it too :P | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | just kidding | 19:03 |
iglesiasg | anyhow | 19:03 |
lisitsyn | can you believe | 19:04 |
lisitsyn | london is +1 | 19:04 |
iglesiasg | here is the meeting: http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/irclog/2018-05-03/ | 19:04 |
lisitsyn | hahah | 19:04 |
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iglesiasg | yeah, it is in summer time | 19:04 |
Farouk_ | I am reading the logs now | 19:04 |
iglesiasg | cool cool | 19:04 |
iglesiasg | let me have a quick read and we sync in a few minutes | 19:04 |
iglesiasg | lisitsyn, Gu? :P | 19:06 |
@wiking | Farouk_, hello | 19:06 |
@wiking | lisitsyn, yeah ignorance is bliss i guess :) | 19:06 |
@wiking | Farouk_, ok so once you are over the logs | 19:06 |
Farouk_ | Hello @wiking | 19:06 |
@wiking | let us know | 19:06 |
@wiking | :) | 19:06 |
Farouk_ | Im reading over the expectations part | 19:06 |
Farouk_ | sure | 19:06 |
@wiking | kk | 19:06 |
Farouk_ | Okay I caught up | 19:09 |
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@wiking | gr8 | 19:10 |
Farouk_ | 4 action points, be active on the irc, help with the new release (python notebooks), video chat with instructor and workout a detailed plan with him based on the schedule in the proposal | 19:10 |
iglesiasg | yeah, exactly | 19:11 |
@wiking | Farouk_, yep | 19:11 |
@wiking | Farouk_, i have +1 for you | 19:11 |
iglesiasg | you scared me with instructor :P | 19:11 |
@wiking | finish asap the stan stuff :) | 19:11 |
Farouk_ | Yea, definitely the highest of my priority @wiking | 19:11 |
iglesiasg | how is that going btw, could you work on it recently? | 19:12 |
@wiking | great :) | 19:12 |
Farouk_ | @iglesiasg :D | 19:12 |
@wiking | if u want we could even have a 1-on-1 about that when its convenient for u | 19:12 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, yeah, exactly. Do you need some help? | 19:12 |
iglesiasg | or is it clear to you how to proceed on that one? | 19:12 |
Farouk_ | Yea I started working on it a few days ago, it was working a while back before one of the releases but after i merged heads some stuff broke so I am currently trying to fix that | 19:12 |
Farouk_ | For now I think i know how to fix the problems | 19:13 |
@wiking | Farouk_, another important stuff: forthnightly blog posts - it's a requirement by NumFocus | 19:13 |
iglesiasg | sounds perfect then | 19:13 |
Farouk_ | if I get stuck Ill let u know asap | 19:13 |
Farouk_ | Ohh yea let me add that on my to do list | 19:13 |
iglesiasg | oh yeah the blog it is true | 19:13 |
iglesiasg | was it in the logs? | 19:13 |
Farouk_ | no it wasn't | 19:13 |
@wiking | :< | 19:13 |
@wiking | ok i'll send out an email about it now | 19:13 |
iglesiasg | it was briefly mentioned | 19:13 |
iglesiasg | but not as hard req. | 19:13 |
iglesiasg | we should make it more explicit definitely | 19:14 |
iglesiasg | yeah email, thank you | 19:14 |
Farouk_ | Sure, is it okay if I post on Medium or do u prefer like a github page mini blog | 19:14 |
Farouk_ | ? | 19:14 |
iglesiasg | maybe at the end in case we find more stuff now xD | 19:14 |
iglesiasg | I think it is totally fine anywhere | 19:14 |
iglesiasg | but let me double check in numfocus emails to us | 19:14 |
iglesiasg | I copy paste here | 19:15 |
Farouk_ | Sure thing | 19:15 |
@wiking | iglesiasg, medium is good :) | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | NumFOCUS requires students to write a blog post every 2 weeks. The blogs should | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | give the wider NumFOCUS community detailed view into what happens during GSoC | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | then just a list of project titles. | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | We are very free form about the blogs. Last year the posts ranged from long | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | detailed explanations and plots (showing of the new features) to short daily | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | development entries. Our only requirement is that a new entry appears every two weeks. | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | Please note that the blogs are not supposed to take a lot of time for students. | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | The vast majority of time should be spent on coding. | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | We will send an email out to students today with a form to give us the link their | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | respective blogs. | 19:15 |
iglesiasg | Yeah I think so any platform is good | 19:15 |
Farouk_ | Great, thanks! | 19:16 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, did you get such email? | 19:16 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, about them asking you for a link to the blog | 19:16 |
Farouk_ | I am not sure, I don't recall getting an email for a link | 19:16 |
iglesiasg | mmm please double check when you have a second | 19:16 |
Farouk_ | Sure let me check now | 19:17 |
iglesiasg | otherwise maybe we should see if they have your correct address | 19:17 |
iglesiasg | it was sent on April 23rd | 19:17 |
iglesiasg | the sender for us was Max Linke | 19:17 |
Farouk_ | found it in the spam folder | 19:18 |
Farouk_ | i just white listed it | 19:18 |
iglesiasg | \o/ | 19:18 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, did numfocus spam you much in the past? :P | 19:19 |
Farouk_ | 2 emails actually | 19:19 |
Farouk_ | not 1 | 19:19 |
Farouk_ | I have no idea :D I never marked it as spam | 19:19 |
iglesiasg | :D | 19:19 |
iglesiasg | Farouk_, how do you see the notebook thingy? | 19:20 |
Farouk_ | So i got 2 emails, one for the blog, one to fill a questionnaire | 19:20 |
iglesiasg | good good | 19:20 |
Farouk_ | To be honest i didn't look at the notebooks as much since my priority was to make sure stan works before 15th may since my whole project depends on it | 19:21 |
iglesiasg | yeah.. I understand | 19:21 |
iglesiasg | it is an easy thing though | 19:21 |
iglesiasg | well.. it should be! | 19:21 |
iglesiasg | I could help you a bit with that code-wise too | 19:21 |
Farouk_ | yea it is, but i have no experience with cmake whatsoever :D | 19:21 |
Farouk_ | so its mostly experimentation | 19:21 |
iglesiasg | I can start it off | 19:21 |
iglesiasg | oh nooo I meant the notebooks is easy! | 19:22 |
Farouk_ | Ohhh hahaha okay :D | 19:22 |
iglesiasg | the other stuff you are doing I don't think it is easy, bc I don't know any cmake :P | 19:22 |
iglesiasg | let me explain you in a few minutes what is the notebooks thingy | 19:22 |
iglesiasg | I need to pick up some links | 19:22 |
Farouk_ | sure thing | 19:23 |
iglesiasg | https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/4261/files#diff-4963e3673f680c655bc1a791061e5957R7 | 19:23 |
iglesiasg | look for instance averaged_perceptron.sg | 19:23 |
Farouk_ | Okay | 19:25 |
Farouk_ | the API has changed considerably | 19:25 |
iglesiasg | yeah | 19:26 |
iglesiasg | you understand the changes? | 19:26 |
Farouk_ | well some changes, for example no more RealFeatures, and now only Features, and now you instantiate machines using the machine() and pass the name of the class as a string? | 19:27 |
iglesiasg | yes exactly | 19:27 |
Farouk_ | train now takes the features to train instead of adding it at the start | 19:28 |
Farouk_ | in the constructor | 19:28 |
Farouk_ | and apply() too | 19:28 |
Farouk_ | Is there a list of all the new changes or should I just look at all the relevant PRs to see what changed? | 19:29 |
iglesiasg | yeah | 19:30 |
iglesiasg | the second one | 19:30 |
iglesiasg | you don't even need to look at more prs | 19:30 |
iglesiasg | I suggest you to pick up a example | 19:30 |
iglesiasg | easiest would be to find related to those that are done already | 19:30 |
iglesiasg | make the changes you know, test locally that it works, and submit a pr | 19:31 |
iglesiasg | we can tell you if there is any extra change needed | 19:31 |
iglesiasg | but this way you get the ball rolling fast | 19:31 |
Farouk_ | Okay sure. Are both APIs still working or is the previous one deprecated? | 19:32 |
Farouk_ | Like if I use RealFeatures will it throw a bunch of errors at me or is still supported? | 19:32 |
iglesiasg | still supported | 19:33 |
Farouk_ | Okay I see. Lots of things to get to then. | 19:33 |
iglesiasg | :) | 19:33 |
iglesiasg | it's supposed to be like a sw eng internship | 19:33 |
iglesiasg | sw eng in industry is intense | 19:34 |
Farouk_ | It is :) | 19:34 |
Farouk_ | Alright then, better start working | 19:34 |
Farouk_ | I better* | 19:35 |
iglesiasg | we keep in touch | 19:35 |
Farouk_ | Sure thing | 19:37 |
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Chris____ | wiking, hi | 19:58 |
Chris____ | Did I miss your reply? Somehow I lost connection at some point... | 19:58 |
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@wiking | Chris____, hello sorry actually | 20:17 |
@wiking | i couldn't get back to you. :( | 20:17 |
@wiking | but lemme do it now | 20:17 |
@wiking | the way you can do it is with parameter subscription: examples/undocumented/python/evaluation_cross_validation_multiclass_storage.py | 20:21 |
@wiking | check that example | 20:21 |
Chris____ | on github? | 20:27 |
Chris____ | ok found it, thanks! | 20:28 |
Chris____ | Although I guess it's not available in the version I'm using right now ;) | 20:29 |
@wiking | why wouldn't you use 6.1.3? :) | 20:38 |
Chris____ | kind of bound to the version on our cluster ;) | 20:43 |
Chris____ | does it make sense to give the install from pipy a shot? | 20:44 |
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@wiking | Chris____, conda | 20:47 |
@wiking | :) | 20:47 |
@wiking | what's the version u have in tuebingen? :D | 20:49 |
Chris____ | or pip in a virtualenv? | 20:49 |
Chris____ | it's 5... | 20:50 |
@wiking | pip not available :( | 20:50 |
@wiking | which i know is really :(( | 20:50 |
Chris____ | I see | 20:50 |
Chris____ | but it's still on the website :) | 20:50 |
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