IRC logs of #shogun for Tuesday, 2018-09-04

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@HeikoS	wiking: jo	11:24
@HeikoS	lisitsyn:	11:30
@HeikoS	rcurtin:	11:30
@HeikoS	so who of you guys needs to use a nips ticket?	11:30
@wiking	\p/	12:14
@wiking	HeikoS, btw is that for day 0-end or just the day the ws is on? :)	12:15
@HeikoS	hi	12:16
@HeikoS	what we get for free you mean?	12:16
@HeikoS	wiking: I just got a free admission for all days	12:16
@HeikoS	so we can use one more ticket to give away	12:17
@wiking	HeikoS, yeah i'd like to get one if possible	12:17
@HeikoS	I guess we should discuss this, how to announce, handle that etc	12:17
@HeikoS	wiking: ok so one is for you one is for sergey	12:17
@HeikoS	rcurtin: ?	12:17
@wiking	HeikoS, we get 3 or4?	12:17
@HeikoS	forgot	12:17
@wiking	lemme check the faq	12:18
@wiking	NIPS provides 4 complimentary tickets to the organizers of each workshop	12:18
lisitsyn	oh well I would want one indeed	12:20
lisitsyn	:D	12:20
@HeikoS	ok so we have 4	12:20
@HeikoS	but we only used 2 so far	12:20
lisitsyn	HeikoS: ok so can I expect I have a ticket then?	12:21
@HeikoS	yes	12:21
lisitsyn	oh wow interesting	12:21
@HeikoS	defo	12:21
lisitsyn	HeikoS: does it include everything?	12:21
@HeikoS	idk	12:21
@HeikoS	check the faq	12:22
lisitsyn	oh ok	12:22
@HeikoS	but I would like to think so	12:22
@wiking	lisitsyn, https://nips.cc/Conferences/2018/AcceptedWorkshopFAQ	12:22
@wiking	HeikoS, so we then just say the 4th is given to an organizer as well? and then if we need to sponsor somebody - proposal - the tix then we use the funds?	12:22
@wiking	HeikoS, or do we need to provide the invited speakers with tix?	12:23
@HeikoS	wiking: this is my point, we could give tickets to student submission authors	12:24
@HeikoS	but it doesnt say whether the free ticket is for workshop only or for all days	12:24
@HeikoS	" These tickets are not subject to the sellout; consider waiting until a few days before the conference to use them in case the reserve tickets are gone and you still need to get someone in to present at your workshop"	12:25
@HeikoS	also interesting	12:25
@wiking	mm	12:26
@HeikoS	wiking, lisitsyn so the q is	12:26
@HeikoS	shall I write in the CfP that we give away tickets?	12:26
@HeikoS	I could just hint at it	12:26
@wiking	hint	12:26
lisitsyn	best papers get tickets? :D	12:26
@HeikoS	yeah something like that	12:27
@HeikoS	ok I will hint	12:27
@wiking	like a sponsorship	12:27
lisitsyn	2 of them or?	12:27
@wiking	if that's the reason	12:27
@wiking	for not attending	12:27
lisitsyn	but I still need to know whether tickets are full or not	12:27
@wiking	or just yeah	12:27
@wiking	lisitsyn, email? :)	12:27
lisitsyn	to book hotel and flights	12:27
@HeikoS	I guess we would need to give those things out early	12:27
@HeikoS	the free tix	12:27
@wiking	as faq doesn't clarigy	12:27
@HeikoS	as registration starts tomorrow	12:27
@HeikoS	actually	12:27
@wiking	start today	12:27
@wiking	;)	12:27
@HeikoS	doesnt make sense for the tickets	12:27
@HeikoS	ah ok	12:27
@HeikoS	because people will not wait until notification or?	12:28
@HeikoS	I mean I will hint	12:28
lisitsyn	HeikoS: who uses the second one?	12:28
@HeikoS	viktor	12:28
@HeikoS	I got a free one 8-)	12:28
lisitsyn	wiking: ok should you/I write to someone to clarify that/	12:28
@wiking	lisitsyn, can do	12:28
@wiking	:D	12:28
lisitsyn	?	12:28
lisitsyn	ok let me know	12:28
@wiking	will put it on my list	12:28
@wiking	:)	12:28
@HeikoS	?	12:28
@HeikoS	we can give tickets to anyone we want	12:28
@HeikoS	faq states that and it is what I have people seen doing	12:29
@wiking	yeye	12:29
@wiking	lisitsyn, is just asking whether it's ws tix only	12:29
@wiking	or for the whole show	12:29
lisitsyn	yes exactly	12:29
@HeikoS	ah yeah	12:29
lisitsyn	if that's only for ws that's funny	12:30
@wiking	lisitsyn, i'll bcc u	12:30
@wiking	:)	12:30
lisitsyn	wiking: thanks	12:30
lisitsyn	ok once it is clarified I'll book things and go to get visa :P	12:30
@HeikoS	I will write: "We have a limited number of NIPS admission tickets, as well as limited funding to support student travelling. Those will be distributed to the highest scoring submissions"	12:31
@HeikoS	thoughts?	12:31
@wiking	lisitsyn, u'd come for the whole thing right?	12:31
@wiking	HeikoS, sounds good	12:31
@wiking	:)	12:31
lisitsyn	wiking: yes if ticket is full :D	12:31
@wiking	lisitsyn, i'm wondering about shared airbnb then?	12:31
lisitsyn	actually why not	12:31
lisitsyn	hotels are meh	12:31
@wiking	k	12:32
@HeikoS	airbnb ++	12:32
@wiking	i've asked rcurtin but he didn't get back to me	12:32
@wiking	but will ask again	12:32
@wiking	i know HeikoS	12:32
@wiking	so i guess we could just do a whole flat	12:32
@wiking	and thats all	12:32
@wiking	or	12:32
@wiking	?	12:32
@wiking	but yeah lets see what about the ticket	12:33
@wiking	and then we figure those stuff out	12:33
@HeikoS	another Q	12:34
@HeikoS	Smaller projects and those without a significant supporting organization are especially encouraged to participate for improved outreach and visibility.	12:34
@HeikoS	I want to put that, is it ok for you?	12:34
@wiking	++	12:34
lisitsyn	yes	12:34
@HeikoS	ok I also updated the list	12:35
@HeikoS	Position papers for community growth/transition/diversificationRetrospectives on community/funding/sustainability experiencesReal-world use-cases of MLOSSNovel or improved ML packagesMeta projects that connect third party projects, e.g. benchmarking, workflows, etc	12:35
@HeikoS	with newlines in between	12:35
@HeikoS	further	12:35
@HeikoS	For software submissions, previews of to be presented demos are not mandatory but will increase acceptance likelihood.	12:35
@wiking	mmm	12:36
@wiking	yeah but on the other hand	12:36
@wiking	since it's about sustainability	12:36
@wiking	one would hope that the submissions are preexisting sw	12:36
@wiking	:)	12:36
lisitsyn	yeah that's why I think github link is a must	12:37
lisitsyn	otherwise we call something that's on someone's notebook OSS	12:37
@wiking	lisitsyn, say any src link	12:37
@wiking	:)	12:37
@HeikoS	Submission format is NIPS18 style pdf (3 pages maximum). All submissions must point to project website/community, code (GitHub, etc). For software submissions, previews of to be presented demos are not mandatory but will increase acceptance likelihood. Please submit your contributions at: https://openreview.net/group?id=NIPS.cc/2018/Workshop/MLOSS	12:37
@wiking	lisitsyn, or even more.... actually u r right	12:37
@HeikoS	shall I change to 2 pages max>	12:37
@HeikoS	?	12:37
@wiking	as it's about sustainibility	12:37
@HeikoS	less work?	12:37
@wiking	we wanna see some commits	12:37
lisitsyn	I think 2 is tough	12:37
lisitsyn	I had hard time fitting 5	12:37
@HeikoS	it is abstract only	12:38
@HeikoS	not paper	12:38
lisitsyn	ah	12:38
lisitsyn	ok	12:38
@wiking	meaning any sorts of link to a version control system	12:38
lisitsyn	yeah I'd require VCS	12:38
@wiking	yeah me too	12:38
@wiking	HeikoS, ^ :)	12:38
@wiking	i mean since it's about community	12:38
@HeikoS	lisitsyn, wiking this can go into reviewing guidelines	12:38
lisitsyn	that's 2018	12:38
@HeikoS	i.e. no active codebase -> lower score	12:38
lisitsyn	yeah ok	12:38
@wiking	kk	12:38
lisitsyn	tar.gz is not oss	12:38
lisitsyn	:D	12:38
@wiking	:D	12:39
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: ok so	12:39
lisitsyn	neither is .zip	12:39
@HeikoS	I will send out the CfP	12:39
lisitsyn	ok wait	12:39
lisitsyn	:D	12:39
@HeikoS	could you put it (minus the abstract at the beginning) to the website?	12:39
lisitsyn	don't you want to put it online?	12:39
lisitsyn	ah	12:39
lisitsyn	ok	12:39
@HeikoS	yeah first actually	12:39
@wiking	HeikoS, its in the doc	12:39
@wiking	right	12:39
@HeikoS	and then email	12:39
@wiking	can u give a sec	12:39
@wiking	just to go trhough again	12:39
@HeikoS	yeah sure	12:39
lisitsyn	let me know when to put it online	12:39
@HeikoS	just planning	12:39
@HeikoS	I am done editing more or less	12:39
lisitsyn	I'll have to tune social sharing so it looks nice in twitter	12:39
@HeikoS	nice	12:39
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: I also edited the abstract a bit	12:40
lisitsyn	but that's like 1 minute thing	12:40
@HeikoS	shortened and made more definite	12:40
lisitsyn	HeikoS: it is really easy to modify the website	12:40
@HeikoS	maybe it is worth updating as well	12:40
lisitsyn	don't you want to commit directly? :)	12:40
@HeikoS	no :)	12:40
lisitsyn	but why	12:40
lisitsyn	you used to be a programmer	12:41
lisitsyn	:D	12:41
lisitsyn	it is markdown	12:41
@HeikoS	actually	12:41
@HeikoS	the abstract can stay	12:41
lisitsyn	HeikoS: do we have a list of invited speakers?	12:41
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: LOL :)	12:41
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: it is more time	12:41
@HeikoS	I have little of that atm	12:41
@HeikoS	yes we have	12:42
lisitsyn	I just didn't know if we have one	12:42
lisitsyn	because you banned me	12:42
lisitsyn	:D	12:42
lisitsyn	from tthe process	12:42
@HeikoS	keynote by NumFOCUS (Gina Helfrich or Leah Silen), and three 30 min talks: James Hensman (GPflow), Mara Averick (tidyverse), Joaquin Vanschoren (openML).	12:42
@HeikoS	banned?!?	12:42
@HeikoS	never banned you!	12:42
lisitsyn	I am trolling you	12:42
lisitsyn	but you was about to ban me	12:42
@HeikoS	i know no hard feelings mr bear troll	12:42
lisitsyn	:D	12:43
* wiking checked the cfp, one L missing imo than that it's a go on my end		12:43
@HeikoS	where is the L ? :)	12:45
@wiking	added as suggestion	12:45
@sukey	[https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun] Pull Request https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/4395 opened by dougalsutherland	12:45
lisitsyn	should I put it online?	12:45
@HeikoS	dougal :)	12:46
lisitsyn	yaya	12:46
lisitsyn	oh he seemed to branched his branch	12:46
lisitsyn	:D	12:46
@sukey	[https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun] Pull Request https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/pull/4395 closed by dougalsutherland	12:46
lisitsyn	no happy ending	12:46
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: ok id say put it to the website	12:47
lisitsyn	yes sir	12:47
@HeikoS	and if nobody moans until tonight	12:47
@HeikoS	I will send emails	12:47
@HeikoS	and once it is on and I want to edit, I will do it straight to the markdown	12:49
@HeikoS	promised :)	12:49
@HeikoS	ok I gotta dash	12:49
@HeikoS	will check back later today	12:49
lisitsyn	HeikoS: uhm call for papers	12:51
lisitsyn	or call for contributions?	12:51
@HeikoS	copntributions!	12:51
@HeikoS	good point!	12:51
lisitsyn	me dont speak englisch	12:51
@HeikoS	thx	12:51
lisitsyn	HeikoS: should it be CfC on the website?	12:52
@HeikoS	mmmh	12:52
@wiking	lisitsyn, +1	12:52
lisitsyn	+1!	12:52
lisitsyn	what?	12:52
lisitsyn	:D	12:52
@HeikoS	What about just "Submissions"	12:52
lisitsyn	tell me what to do :(	12:52
@HeikoS	never heard CfC	12:52
lisitsyn	wiking: HeikoS: Shogun -> shogun.ml in the authors list?	12:53
lisitsyn	I like that style a bit more	12:53
@wiking	lisitsyn, +1	12:53
@HeikoS	+	12:53
lisitsyn	fixed	12:53
lisitsyn	HeikoS: wiking: should I put a list of speakers online?	13:00
@wiking	lisitsyn, check your inbox	13:02
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: lol	13:02
@HeikoS	I just realised	13:02
@HeikoS	CfP means call for participation	13:02
@HeikoS	not papers	13:02
@HeikoS	so it is universal	13:03
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: Make it: Tentative list of speakers	13:03
@HeikoS	List of speakers (tentative)	13:03
lisitsyn	HeikoS: yes sir	13:03
@HeikoS	next thing we need to is write to pcs	13:03
@HeikoS	and then figure out how the heck the openreview works	13:04
@HeikoS	hehe	13:04
lisitsyn	lol	13:04
lisitsyn	wiking: I don't pretend to be a designer guy but the main font is a bit out of style for me	13:05
lisitsyn	but yeah its pretty good	13:06
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rcurtin	wiking: sorry, I see your message "i've asked rcurtin but he didn't get back to me" but I don't know what I was supposed to get back about :(	15:03
rcurtin	do you mean the shared airbnb?	15:03
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@wiking	rcurtin, sharing an airbnb during nips in montreal	15:43
@wiking	rcurtin, it was in an email to you and heiko a while ago	15:43
lisitsyn	wiking: do we need 3-4 bedroom then?	15:44
rcurtin	oh, crap, maybe I did not see it... hang on	15:45
rcurtin	ah, now I remember, I saw it, and thought about it, then forgot to respond	15:46
rcurtin	I suck :)	15:46
rcurtin	anyway, I'd be happy to, but I am planning to be there the whole week	15:46
lisitsyn	rcurtin: yes but why is it a problem? :)	15:47
rcurtin	my preference would just be walking distance to the hotel (or I suppose I can take the train, so long as the train runs late at night. no idea how late I will be out). happy to walk up to a mile or I can probably be talked into more	15:47
rcurtin	:)	15:47
rcurtin	do you want me to respond to the email, or is discussion here fine?	15:47
lisitsyn	rcurtin: we need to know if the ticket is full-conference	15:47
lisitsyn	then we can arrange that	15:47
rcurtin	I'll need to get the airbnb receipt so I can submit my portion of it as an expense to my company	15:48
@wiking	rcurtin, i mean that's all the question was	15:48
@wiking	whether you wanna share or not	15:48
@wiking	:)	15:48
@wiking	nono here is fine :)	15:48
rcurtin	yeah, I'll be getting a full-conference ticket, so I'll be there for tutorials also	15:48
rcurtin	assuming it doesn't sell out in the first ten minutes ;)	15:48
lisitsyn	rcurtin: we need to clarify if our complimentary ones are full also	15:48
rcurtin	lisitsyn: oh! sorry, I misunderstood	15:49
rcurtin	I dunno, I personally don't have a preference either way. I don't know what the NIPS committee has given us to work with, maybe HeikoS is the better person to ask here?	15:49
rcurtin	it would seem most reasonable to me to just include the workshops as complementary, but maybe if possible also the option to pay the difference to upgrade to a full conference ticket	15:50
rcurtin	but I don't know what is possible here :)	15:50
rcurtin	wiking: how soon are you thinking of booking the airbnb?	15:50
lisitsyn	if that's only for workshop that's not that fun :P	15:50
@wiking	rcurtin, the tix are already in	15:51
@wiking	so u can buy it :)	15:51
@wiking	assuming u wanna buy it	15:52
@wiking	rcurtin, as lisitsyn said just figuring out the ticket details	15:52
@wiking	and then we'll decide	15:52
@wiking	but i tend to go with the full program	15:52
@wiking	(except tutorials maybe	15:52
@wiking	)	15:52
@wiking	rcurtin, imo it's easy to share the costs in airbn	15:53
@wiking	or one would think	15:53
@wiking	i mean that you get your part as a bill or something	15:53
@wiking	rcurtin, anyhow you are open to the idea	15:53
@wiking	right?	15:53
@wiking	just that we could then look for a flat for the 4 of us	15:53
@wiking	that ought to be a more price efficient way to stay there those days	15:54
@wiking	btw either way imo if any of you have some time to browse through the possible places on airbnb, dont be shy :) so once we know when and how	15:54
@wiking	we can just book right away	15:54
@wiking	as imo montreal will be packed :)	15:55
@wiking	bbl	15:55
rcurtin	sorry had to run somewhere	16:02
rcurtin	I think airbnb would be just fine, I'd prefer to lock it in sooner rather than later	16:02
rcurtin	lisitsyn: wiking: I guess I am a bit confused, I am not sure of the question	16:04
rcurtin	are you asking what ticket we should give to people with accepted papers, or what ticket I will be buying personally?	16:04
@wiking	rcurtin, ok so the question was	16:05
@wiking	are you buying yourself?	16:05
@wiking	:D	16:05
@wiking	because we have 4 complimentary tix (dunno for what part of the conf, yet) for the ws	16:05
rcurtin	yeah, I was planning to get the ticket myself, my company will reimburse it	16:06
@wiking	kk	16:06
rcurtin	this can help the workshop save funds for others	16:06
@wiking	so then you dont need one	16:06
@wiking	\o/	16:06
rcurtin	right	16:06
@wiking	perfecto	16:06
@wiking	thnx heaps	16:06
rcurtin	:)	16:06
@wiking	ok so then it's only me and probably lisitsyn who's gonna be leechers :D	16:06
@wiking	and then we have 2 tix for grab still	16:06
rcurtin	so I'll buy my registration today, and then we can figure out airbnb details	16:06
@wiking	kk	16:07
@wiking	rcurtin, as soon as we hear back from the ws chairs	16:07
@wiking	then we'll get back re: airbnb	16:07
rcurtin	I will show up Sunday night 12/2 and leave Saturday night 12/8	16:07
rcurtin	ok	16:07
rcurtin	sounds good	16:07
@wiking	yep i reckon everybody had the same dates in mind	16:08
rcurtin	perfect	16:08
rcurtin	looking forward to it :)	16:08
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lisitsyn	wiking: I probably need to do some SEO	16:11
lisitsyn	:D	16:11
lisitsyn	we're not visible yet	16:12
@wiking	hehe	16:15
@wiking	yea yeah	16:15
@wiking	seo seo	16:15
@wiking	lisitsyn, take the st petersburg liga from putin	16:15
@wiking	to work a bit on this	16:15
@wiking	:)	16:15
@wiking	you know the troll army	16:15
lisitsyn	wiking: what troll army? :P	16:16
@wiking	:D	16:17
@wiking	yeye	16:17
@wiking	the one that doesn't exist	16:17
@wiking	:P)	16:17
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lisitsyn	HeikoS: https://2018.mloss.org/cfp/	16:30
lisitsyn	HeikoS: wiking: ^ it is ready to share around	16:43
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lisitsyn	lalala	17:14
@wiking	lisitsyn, imo yes	17:20
lisitsyn	wiking: https://cards-dev.twitter.com/validator check how it looks in twitter	17:20
lisitsyn	:)	17:20
@wiking	what?	17:21
@wiking	i mean what should i validate?	17:21
rcurtin	NIPS website is reporting to me that it's already sold out	17:25
rcurtin	I'm hoping this isn't correct, although I am sure I can buy a "special" ticket as a workshop organizer	17:25
@wiking	rcurtin, where have you got this? :)	17:26
rcurtin	I just tried to register online and it says sold out	17:28
@wiking	:P	17:29
@wiking	lol	17:29
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: I would wait and incorporate Anttis changes before sending it out	17:30
rcurtin	I'm imagining maybe this is a bug, it would be truly absurd for this conference to sell out within 20 minutes	17:30
@HeikoS	also would make a google form for requesting travel/ticket support for students	17:30
@HeikoS	and put that in	17:30
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: I accepted all suggestions in the googledoc	17:32
@HeikoS	I can copy paste the things into the git and push later	17:32
lisitsyn	HeikoS: ok let me know when to update	17:32
@HeikoS	(if you havent done it by then)	17:32
@HeikoS	ah ok	17:32
@HeikoS	now :)	17:32
@HeikoS	ah no	17:32
@HeikoS	the form	17:32
@HeikoS	shall we have a googleform for requesting travel ghelp	17:32
@HeikoS	let me draft somethjing	17:32
lisitsyn	wiking: you can validate https://2018.mloss.org/cfp/	17:33
@HeikoS	i edited the googledoc in the meantime	17:33
@HeikoS	formatting looks nicer than earlier now	17:34
lisitsyn	HeikoS: check likelihood comment	17:35
lisitsyn	HeikoS: am I right it should be 'the'? :D	17:35
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: btw, I just realised that two of our invited speakers will need free tickets for the conference	17:40
@HeikoS	numfocus and tinyverse	17:40
@HeikoS	gpflow, openml will be there anyways	17:40
@HeikoS	lisitsyn: yes, the is good	17:41
lisitsyn	HeikoS: then we have no tickets?	17:41
@HeikoS	we have 4 right?	17:41
lisitsyn	yay i kan speak english!	17:41
lisitsyn	HeikoS: ich, viktor + 2 invited?	17:42
@HeikoS	ok then no tickets	17:42
rcurtin	ahh, just to check, we do have an ability for me to buy a ticket to the conference even if we don't use workshop funds for it?	17:42
@HeikoS	I will limit this to just $$$	17:42
@HeikoS	rcurtin: what do you mean>	17:42
rcurtin	right, so I tried to buy a ticket to NIPS but it is sold out	17:43
rcurtin	so I want to know if there is some "reserve" ticket I can buy that we have because we are workshop organizers	17:43
rcurtin	I can pay for it myself (my company will reimburse me)	17:43
@HeikoS	ah wow sold out already?	17:44
@HeikoS	stupid	17:44
@HeikoS	well we have 4 tickets	17:45
@HeikoS	2 will be used by sergey and viktor	17:45
@HeikoS	and 2 of our speakers would not attend the conference without us inviting them	17:45
@wiking	HeikoS, i mean if any of the speakers are not coming because we cannot provide tix	17:48
@wiking	then obviously i can just not go :)	17:49
@wiking	and give the tix to the speaker	17:49
lisitsyn	ah yeah I can also not go actually	17:49
lisitsyn	:D	17:49
rcurtin	HeikoS: but do we have special registrations for workshop speakers?	17:51
rcurtin	not ones that are already paid for	17:51
@HeikoS	wiking: yeah our tickets are not subject to sale	17:52
@HeikoS	so that we can get speakers in even if it is sold out	17:52
@HeikoS	wiking: we only need 2 tix for speakers	17:52
@HeikoS	as 2 of them will be there anyways	17:52
@HeikoS	(hopefully)	17:52
@wiking	HeikoS, yeye but what i mean that if in case there's a 3rd person or somebody	17:52
@wiking	from the invited speakers	17:52
@wiking	needs a tix	17:52
@HeikoS	James might not have bought one but that would surprise me	17:52
@wiking	as for some reason couldnt get one	17:52
@wiking	or something	17:52
@HeikoS	yeah	17:52
@wiking	then i'm happy to pass over	17:53
@wiking	ie dont wanna be a blocker	17:53
@HeikoS	Ill ask James this week	17:53
@wiking	in that chain of backup options	17:53
@HeikoS	dont think it will be a problem	17:53
@wiking	HeikoS, i know that openml guy is giving a tutorial	17:53
@wiking	so he should be there for sure	17:53
@wiking	as well	17:53
@HeikoS	i mean it is stupiod that this sells out in one day	17:53
@wiking	not one day	17:53
rcurtin	yeah, kind of ridiculous	17:53
@wiking	but in hours :)	17:53
@wiking	:D	17:53
rcurtin	minutes actually	17:53
rcurtin	10-15 minutes to sell ~2500 tickets	17:53
@wiking	:)))	17:54
rcurtin	so my question still stands, which is, (a) do we have "reserved" tickets so that people with accepted workshop papers can attend? (b) can I use one of these so that I can attend the conference?	17:54
@wiking	a) no... meaning we have 4 tix as a ws and thats all we can distrib	17:55
@wiking	but check the faq just in case	17:55
rcurtin	wiking: so if someone's workshop paper is accepted then how can they possibly attend?	17:55
@wiking	https://nips.cc/Conferences/2018/AcceptedWorkshopFAQ	17:55
@wiking	rcurtin, lalala :)	17:55
@wiking	i mean the funny story here is actually	17:55
rcurtin	here, I am talking about this:	17:55
rcurtin	"Presenters who are entered correctly in the schedule editor get access to a reserve pool of tickets. The workshops will fill the venue to capacity. Please keep the number of presenters to a reasonable number of about 20."	17:55
rcurtin	I'd like to use one of these reserve pool tickets to attend	17:56
@HeikoS	rcurtin: ah yes for presenters	17:56
@wiking	that paper acceptance is not announced till tomo	17:56
@HeikoS	that is different than the organiser tickets	17:56
@HeikoS	which means	17:56
@wiking	ah ok	17:56
@HeikoS	we have the 4 tickets just for organizers	17:56
@wiking	so then we should be on the safe side	17:56
@wiking	:)	17:56
rcurtin	HeikoS: wiking: that tidbit is specifically about workshop presenters	17:56
@HeikoS	ok we need to check that though	17:56
rcurtin	not about main conference presenters	17:56
@HeikoS	rcurtin: yeah I see	17:56
@HeikoS	need to confirm that, and then also indicate it on the WS CfP	17:56
@wiking	rcurtin, so then it should be all cool	17:57
@wiking	imo	17:57
@HeikoS	and in the form I put	17:57
@HeikoS	so before send anything out	17:57
@HeikoS	that all needs to be sorted	17:57
@HeikoS	I shared the googleform	17:57
rcurtin	wiking: ok, I am just trying to confirm that I will either be able to use a ticket from the reserve pool, or if I can't do that then I guess one of the organizer tickets	17:57
@HeikoS	but we need to update the CfP with a statement that we have tickets for presenters	17:57
@wiking	HeikoS, can u share the editable format of gform plz	17:57
rcurtin	if I can't confirm that then I should not book a flight :)	17:57
@HeikoS	rcurtin: if we have 20 presenter tickets	17:57
@HeikoS	then you can have one of the 4 free ones	17:57
@HeikoS	but need to clarify exactly the mechanics	17:58
@wiking	rcurtin, and we are still figuring out whether those 4 tix are for the whole conf	17:58
@wiking	or just ws	17:58
@wiking	:P	17:58
rcurtin	right, for me that is important	17:58
@wiking	i've sent out an email about that but no answer yet	17:58
@HeikoS	a) how many tickets for the organisers	17:58
@HeikoS	b) how many tickets for invited speakers, and contributing speakers	17:58
@wiking	will let u and lisitsyn know as soon as i have an answer :)	17:58
rcurtin	perfect	17:58
@HeikoS	wiking: cool thx	17:58
rcurtin	thank you	17:58
@wiking	nw	17:58
@HeikoS	ok I will wait with the final edits to the CfP then	17:58
@wiking	the email is already out	17:58
@HeikoS	and then once we know that we can send out the CfP and also tell the presenters that we have tickets for them	17:59
@wiking	so i'm just w8ing that usa wakes up :P	17:59
@HeikoS	and rcurtin is happy as well	17:59
@HeikoS	rcurtin: I got a free ticket from reviewing that was lucky	17:59
@wiking	HeikoS, although to be fair	18:00
@wiking	it is kind of a noob point	18:00
@wiking	that we would need to give those 4 tix to the invited speakers	18:00
@wiking	:D	18:00
@wiking	seeing this situation with the tix	18:01
@wiking	imo that's normal that then there are <20 ppl talking that they have their reserved tix	18:01
@HeikoS	yep	18:01
@wiking	and that there's 4 for organizing	18:01
@HeikoS	i agree	18:01
@HeikoS	makes way more sense	18:01
@HeikoS	but who knows	18:01
@wiking	yeah	18:01
@wiking	yeye	18:01
@HeikoS	this is weird stuff	18:01
@HeikoS	academic conference sells out in 1 day	18:01
@wiking	sure i'll make it sure that it's cleared up	18:01
@HeikoS	stuypid	18:01
@HeikoS	or it is crazy more	18:02
rcurtin	I'm very curious what wil happen next year	18:02
@wiking	HeikoS, MORE LAYERS!	18:02
@HeikoS	and they already have this expo thing split for industry	18:02
@wiking	rcurtin, when it's not nips anymore ? :)	18:02
@wiking	:DDD	18:02
@wiking	i mean when the name changes? :P	18:02
rcurtin	ha	18:02
rcurtin	true	18:02
@HeikoS	ok I gotta go, waiting for your email wiking, will then finalise things more	18:02
rcurtin	I did some twitter search for "nips"	18:02
rcurtin	I got stuff like "nips sold out in 20 minutes???"	18:02
@wiking	rcurtin, #nips2018	18:02
@wiking	apparently	18:02
rcurtin	and also "I think I'll pierce my nips"	18:02
rcurtin	two very different things ...	18:02
@wiking	hahahaha	18:03
@wiking	claaaaasiiiic!	18:03
@wiking	https://twitter.com/oleggrinch/status/1037002146087096322	18:03
@wiking	lisitsyn, ^	18:03
@wiking	:D	18:03
lisitsyn	hah lol	18:04
@wiking	btw	18:04
@wiking	"We expect to release some tickets in early October and again in late November after workshop presenters have registered"	18:04
@wiking	from https://nips.cc/Conferences/2018/WaitList	18:05
@wiking	:P	18:05
@wiking	so afaik that < 20 tix are for ws presenters as rcurtin mentioned	18:05
@wiking	:)	18:05
lisitsyn	oh this conference is doomed	18:05
@wiking	yep	18:06
@wiking	:D	18:06
@HeikoS	another q	18:06
@wiking	ahhaha i mean	18:06
@HeikoS	shall we even state that presenters can apply for tickets?	18:06
@wiking	i imagine ticket bookies	18:06
@HeikoS	or will just ALL presenters get a ticket>	18:06
@HeikoS	?	18:06
@wiking	in front of the conference hall	18:06
@wiking	:DDD	18:06
@HeikoS	because then we dont need to advertise?	18:06
@wiking	HeikoS, imo yes	18:07
@wiking	i mean dunno whether for the whole thing	18:07
@HeikoS	yes, make application explicit?	18:07
@HeikoS	ok!	18:07
@wiking	but sure for at least the ws part	18:07
@wiking	you would get a ticket	18:07
@wiking	although	18:07
@wiking	idk if u get the chance to BUY the ticket :)	18:07
@wiking	or get a ticket	18:07
@wiking	i mean usually when i did conference in past	18:07
@wiking	i still needed to register and PAY for the ticket	18:07
@wiking	only that in this case you are in a special pool	18:08
@wiking	:D	18:08
@wiking	HeikoS, ^	18:08
@wiking	meaning that you HAVE the chance to buy the ticket if you are presenting	18:08
@HeikoS	ah ok	18:08
@HeikoS	ah man	18:08
@HeikoS	messy	18:08
@wiking	HeikoS, when did u get a free conference ticket	18:08
@wiking	when you published on a conf?	18:08
@wiking	me never... :)	18:09
@wiking	i mean on the end of course you get reimbursed	18:09
@wiking	by your uni	18:09
@wiking	etc etc	18:09
@wiking	but we can do the same right?	18:09
@wiking	if there are ppl who cannot/wouldnt attend	18:09
@wiking	because of the ticket price	18:09
@HeikoS	wiking: ok google form is updated	18:09
@wiking	we can sponsore that	18:09
@wiking	but they come from that <20 pool	18:09
@wiking	i.e. we dont need to burn the 4 tix	18:09
@wiking	so i mean who here presented at a conference where you were not expected to actually pay for your registration? rcurtin HeikoS lisitsyn ? :)	18:11
@HeikoS	wiking: happened both to me	18:11
@HeikoS	IEEE makes you pay even if you are invited speaker	18:11
@HeikoS	and it is hefty	18:11
@wiking	yes	18:11
@wiking	i mean ieee is all pay	18:11
@HeikoS	other conferences get you in for free, and even pay your flight	18:11
@wiking	hehe yeah i mean flight is another story	18:11
@wiking	but conf is mostly you pay your own	18:11
@wiking	is nips PYO or given if you are presenting	18:12
@wiking	lolface	18:12
@wiking	:)	18:12
@wiking	such a mess about a stupid ticket	18:12
@wiking	time to find a new profession... this one became too commercial :D	18:13
@HeikoS	ok form is done	18:13
@wiking	HeikoS, email (the same that you used for your ws proposal)	18:14
@wiking	or something	18:14
@wiking	that makes our life easier	18:14
@wiking	:D	18:14
@HeikoS	wiking, lisitsyn, rcurtin check the form. If you are fine with it (and the way I put it into the CfP), pls ping sergey so that he can update	18:14
@HeikoS	wiking: good point!	18:14
@wiking	and then maybe we can just omit the "What is the abstract title that you submitted/will submit to the workshop?"	18:15
@wiking	part	18:15
@wiking	:P	18:15
@wiking	but yeah as a safety net that shoudl be there	18:15
@wiking	:D	18:15
@HeikoS	wiking: just to be safe	18:15
@wiking	LGTM	18:15
@HeikoS	let's wait for cheng and antti to check	18:16
@HeikoS	ok see you later!	18:16
@wiking	cheng will check it tomo	18:16
@wiking	:D	18:16
@wiking	but yeah antti will probably get back to us still today	18:16
@wiking	::>	18:16
rcurtin	HeikoS: I think that the form is fine	18:16
rcurtin	might be worth noting that the travel support application _does not_ affect the chances of acceptance of the abstract	18:16
rcurtin	(or, at least, it certainly shouldn't!)	18:16
rcurtin	I don't want folks from faraway countries to be scared to submit because they don't think that they'll get travel funding :)	18:17
@wiking	"Applicants who are sending a strong (accepted) abstract are more likely to be supported."	18:17
rcurtin	right, but that is a one way relation	18:17
@wiking	rcurtin, ^ from that should follow that actually	18:17
@wiking	if u do good shit	18:17
@wiking	u get sponsorship	18:17
@wiking	:)	18:17
rcurtin	it doesn't say anything about the opposite direction	18:18
@wiking	regardless of your location	18:18
@wiking	meamning if you are from far away you get good shit? :D	18:18
rcurtin	yes, that's true, but it shouldn't go the other way, which is "you are easy to sponsor --> you get accepted paper"	18:18
@wiking	i dont read this one	18:18
@wiking	into this	18:18
rcurtin	or rather "if you are expensive to sponsor --> your acceptance chances go down". we need to make sure that people don't think this	18:18
@wiking	in quite the contrary	18:18
@wiking	this has no mentioning about geo location	18:18
@wiking	:)	18:18
@wiking	just about quality work	18:18
@wiking	but if you think that this needs to be clarified	18:19
@wiking	lets chuck it in there	18:19
@wiking	definitely wont hurt	18:19
@wiking	:)	18:19
rcurtin	ok, that's fair, I still think it might be good to add that any travel support application doesn't affect the chances of acceptance for any abstract	18:19
rcurtin	yeah	18:19
rcurtin	thanks	18:19
@wiking	rcurtin, request HeikoS for that. :)	18:19
@HeikoS	lol I mean feel free to edit any of this	18:19
@wiking	mmm	18:19
@HeikoS	I sent the edit link	18:19
@wiking	can u edit	18:19
@wiking	?	18:19
@HeikoS	sure	18:19
@wiking	i cannot	18:19
@wiking	bu tmaybe becaose	18:19
@HeikoS	what shall I change?	18:19
@wiking	i use the wrong container	18:19
rcurtin	ah right I keep forgetting I can do that	18:19
rcurtin	ok, added a sentence	18:20
@wiking	rcurtin, how can u edit? :D	18:20
@wiking	i just see the fill out version of it	18:20
@wiking	:D	18:20
rcurtin	Heiko sent an edit link	18:21
rcurtin	two emails	18:21
@wiking	kk	18:21
@wiking	but anyhow	18:21
@wiking	it's there	18:21
@wiking	super	18:21
rcurtin	my other thought is, maybe it's worth pointing out that there are reserved registration spots for accepted speakers	18:21
rcurtin	on the CFP	18:21
rcurtin	I can make that change if anyone likes	18:21
rcurtin	but I think it's also ok to not do so	18:21
@wiking	although its not that clear atm	18:22
@wiking	it would make only sense that way	18:22
@wiking	:D	18:22
rcurtin	right	18:22
@wiking	otherwise why would you bother now	18:22
@wiking	if its already sold out	18:22
@wiking	:DDD	18:22
rcurtin	yeah	18:22
rcurtin	I remember worrying about this when submitting some papers to a NIPS workshop some years back	18:23
rcurtin	maybe something like "There is no need to have an existing paid NIPS registration to submit! Accepted papers will receive a reserved (unpaid) registration."	18:23
@wiking	just add the part of	18:23
@wiking	accepted contributions will get to buy their ticket from a reserved pool	18:24
@wiking	this way its explicit that you STILL should buy	18:24
@wiking	and then there's the sponsored story	18:24
@wiking	that's detached from this	18:24
@wiking	meaning we can pay you the ticket	18:24
@wiking	if u need it/have a good submission	18:25
@HeikoS	rcurtin: I would like to add this, but only if we are 100% clear on that :)	18:25
@wiking	HeikoS, https://nips.cc/Conferences/2018/WaitList	18:25
@wiking	it just doesn't make any other sense :)	18:25
@wiking	note that we have to register them correctly (presenters) based on the FAQ	18:26
@wiking	:)	18:26
@wiking	rcurtin, so u guys gonna submit something? :)	18:29
@wiking	u = mlpack	18:29
rcurtin	yes, but I won't be involved I think	18:30
rcurtin	sorry, I'm eating lunch...	18:30
@wiking	kk	18:30
@wiking	njoy	18:30
@wiking	'm currently using vmware client to open a rdp session on a windows	18:30
@wiking	:)	18:30
rcurtin	I think that it's a conflict of interest if my name is on an accepted paper, but I think others in the community may put together something	18:30
@wiking	rcurtin, well i mean if you are not amongst the reviewers	18:31
@wiking	i dont really see a real conflict of interest	18:31
@wiking	but i get what you mean	18:31
rcurtin	right, it's the perception of a possible conflict of interest that is a problem	18:31
@wiking	yeye	18:31
rcurtin	this is a huge deal in the security community for instance	18:31
@wiking	my horizon client doesn't like me	18:32
@wiking	:D	18:32
rcurtin	:)	18:32
rcurtin	actually we prepared a paper for another conference about how the mlpack community works:	18:32
rcurtin	http://ratml.org/pub/pdf/2017designing.pdf	18:32
rcurtin	the target audience was non-programmer scientists, but then the conference would be cancelled	18:32
rcurtin	it could probably be adapted nicely for a submission here but like I said, the conflict of interest is something I take seriously, so I personally wouldn't put one together	18:33
lisitsyn	oh guys that's really funny	18:43
lisitsyn	is it really sold out?	18:43
@wiking	yes	18:44
lisitsyn	wiking: 11 minutes lol	19:01
@wiking	https://sputniknews.com/science/201809041067723801-soyuz-progress-checked-air-leaks/	19:02
@wiking	:D	19:02
@wiking	poor guy	19:02
@wiking	he was afraid to talk about the whole he drilled on the capsule :P	19:03
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lisitsyn	wiking: but when do we send our cfp?	20:54
lisitsyn	:P	20:54
@wiking	mmm	20:55
@wiking	i wouldnt delay anynmore	20:55
lisitsyn	should I update the website?	20:56
@wiking	mosdef!	20:56
@wiking	justdoit	20:56
@wiking	!	20:56
lisitsyn	yes sir	20:56
lisitsyn	wiking: have you seen https://thelounge.chat ?	20:56
lisitsyn	I am thinking of setting up one for myself	20:57
@wiking	what what	20:57
@wiking	what is this? :)	20:57
lisitsyn	haha	20:57
@wiking	lets see the demo	20:57
@wiking	:)	20:57
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w-king	ok so	20:57
w-king	what is the magic? :)	20:57
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lisitsyn-in-the-	well it is web	20:58
w-king	hehe yeah	20:58
w-king	i mean its definitely better	20:58
w-king	than my current client	20:58
w-king	?	20:58
w-king	:D	20:58
lisitsyn-in-the-	and I think you can log in from mobile phone	20:58
lisitsyn-in-the-	I mean it should be mobile friendly	20:58
w-king	yeah	20:58
w-king	i guess	20:58
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w-king	lemme see what's this	20:58
lisitsyn	funny thing aint it?	20:58
lisitsyn	react	20:58
lisitsyn	express	20:59
lisitsyn	:D	20:59
lisitsyn	usual stuff	20:59
@wiking	it's not react	20:59
@wiking	:)	20:59
lisitsyn	really?	20:59
@wiking	my react debugger	20:59
@wiking	is not glowing	20:59
@wiking	:DDD	20:59
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lisitsyn	jquery?!	21:00
lisitsyn	fml	21:00
lisitsyn	I can't believe	21:00
lisitsyn	wiking: oh my god the web stack is like from 2005	21:01
@wiking	:P	21:02
lisitsyn	wiking: ok lets wait someone writes it in proper react	21:03
lisitsyn	wiking: updated the website	21:17
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