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| gf712 | wiking just reading the sklearn docs for svm and they're changing gamma to 1 / (n_features * X.std()). maybe can do the same? | 10:19 |
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| @wiking | mmmm | 10:23 |
| @wiking | yeah | 10:25 |
| @wiking | but we need to check for feature type then | 10:25 |
| @wiking | as streaming ones cannot provide that | 10:25 |
| gf712 | ah true.. well shouldn't be too difficult! | 10:27 |
| @wiking | dyncast :) | 10:28 |
| @wiking | i mean you can actually get an enum for this | 10:28 |
| @wiking | imo | 10:28 |
| gf712 | yes exactly | 10:28 |
| gf712 | check enum | 10:28 |
| gf712 | and then do 1/ n_features if is streaming? | 10:29 |
| @wiking | yeah | 10:29 |
| gf712 | cool | 10:29 |
| gf712 | thanks! | 10:29 |
| @wiking | nw | 10:29 |
| @wiking | thank u! | 10:29 |
| @wiking | btw this is | 10:29 |
| @wiking | the change is in some pr? | 10:29 |
| @wiking | i mean the X.std() | 10:29 |
| @wiking | btw i'm probably gonna import this project into shogun https://github.com/martinmoene/string-view-lite/releases | 10:30 |
| gf712 | no, it's in the docs | 10:32 |
| gf712 | https://scikit-learn.org/stable/modules/generated/sklearn.svm.SVC.html | 10:32 |
| gf712 | it says the current will deprecate in favour of scale | 10:32 |
| gf712 | ah cool, that would be quite useful | 10:33 |
| gf712 | c++17 would be great in general | 10:33 |
| gf712 | and this https://github.com/fmtlib/fmt :D | 10:33 |
| gf712 | which should be in c++20 | 10:34 |
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| @wiking | gf712: we need to fix the c++17 branch | 10:53 |
| gf712 | wiking what is missing? | 10:54 |
| @wiking | i think merging lisitsyn's fix for tapkee | 10:55 |
| @wiking | i'll check on it now | 10:55 |
| @wiking | lemme force push a thing to windows stuff | 10:55 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: ah sorry I forgot to update that | 10:55 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I basically need to update testing data | 10:55 |
| lisitsyn | diffusion maps act a bit different now | 10:55 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: do u do it or shall i just pick your changes | 10:55 |
| @wiking | and regen the data | 10:55 |
| lisitsyn | oh if you can it would be nice | 10:55 |
| lisitsyn | because I don't remember how to do that | 10:56 |
| lisitsyn | :D | 10:56 |
| @wiking | lemme see | 10:56 |
| @wiking | git remote adding | 10:56 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: the runtime init can go right? | 10:56 |
| @wiking | i mean merge | 10:56 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: eh? | 10:57 |
| lisitsyn | ahh | 10:57 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: the lambda that gf712 did for auto stuff | 10:57 |
| lisitsyn | yeah I think | 10:57 |
| lisitsyn | although I am a bit worried with all these this captures | 10:57 |
| lisitsyn | but that's fixable later | 10:57 |
| @wiking | k | 11:03 |
| @wiking | gf712: ping me when u r done with that std() change | 11:03 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: do u think having arrow as a hard dependency would be a no go? | 11:04 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: i'm just thikning about our input readers.... | 11:04 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: I don't know | 11:04 |
| lisitsyn | is it going well with arrow? | 11:04 |
| @wiking | well there's some shit with it of course | 11:04 |
| @wiking | :D | 11:04 |
| lisitsyn | I mean I heard they have some troubles but I don't remember exactly | 11:04 |
| @wiking | i mean its column oriented the whole thing | 11:05 |
| @wiking | so DenseFeatures | 11:05 |
| @wiking | is crazy | 11:05 |
| @wiking | if u see what i mean | 11:05 |
| @wiking | because there's no such thing as a full matrix | 11:05 |
| @wiking | from arrow | 11:05 |
| lisitsyn | nono I mean they have some org-wise troubles ;) | 11:05 |
| lisitsyn | like no maintainers or something | 11:06 |
| @wiking | mmm eh?? really | 11:06 |
| @wiking | i mean there's a lot of traffic | 11:06 |
| @wiking | on the mailing list | 11:06 |
| @wiking | as well as Wes is doing it no? | 11:06 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: the diffusion map data changed quite a bit | 11:09 |
| @wiking | expected? | 11:09 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: yeah | 11:09 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: maybe I am mistaken about arrow | 11:09 |
| lisitsyn | idk | 11:09 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: https://pastebin.com/Hjn7NS4T | 11:09 |
| lisitsyn | wiking:I think I changed how I treat some parameter or something | 11:10 |
| lisitsyn | let me check | 11:10 |
| @wiking | lemme know | 11:10 |
| @wiking | if its ok i'll add the new integration file to data | 11:10 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: https://github.com/lisitsyn/tapkee/commit/6b14803e6f601ab5fcb23e165d8708c25eeab358#diff-b54baa132e800678899ccd135ef7705b | 11:11 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: oh it was plain wrong lol | 11:11 |
| lisitsyn | wiking: shit happens | 11:11 |
| lisitsyn | so yeah it is worth updating | 11:11 |
| lisitsyn | thanks! | 11:11 |
| @wiking | ok | 11:12 |
| @wiking | lisitsyn: ok done.... lets see if ci is liking it | 11:18 |
| @wiking | if so then i merge | 11:18 |
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| gf712 | wiking doing the std() thing now, what is the easiest way to calculate std from a CFeature? | 11:20 |
| gf712 | need to get the matrix and then use the function in CStatistics? | 11:20 |
| @wiking | mmmm | 11:20 |
| @wiking | i think CDenseF has std | 11:20 |
| @wiking | mmm no that one has mean | 11:21 |
| @wiking | and cov | 11:21 |
| gf712 | yea... | 11:21 |
| @wiking | i mean you can add to dotfeatures | 11:22 |
| @wiking | there's already get_mean | 11:22 |
| @wiking | :) | 11:22 |
| gf712 | sure! | 11:22 |
| @wiking | and actually | 11:24 |
| gf712 | wiking why is get_mean virtual? | 11:24 |
| @wiking | DenseFeatures::mean should go imo | 11:24 |
| @wiking | or at least | 11:24 |
| @wiking | it shoudl be | 11:24 |
| @wiking | DenseFeatures::get_mean override | 11:24 |
| @wiking | coz in dense u can calculate that faster | 11:25 |
| @wiking | imo | 11:25 |
| @wiking | that was the idea | 11:25 |
| @wiking | :) | 11:25 |
| @wiking | but then it's not the same function | 11:25 |
| @wiking | :> | 11:25 |
| gf712 | yea haha | 11:25 |
| @wiking | so that should be fixed imo | 11:26 |
| @wiking | if you are already touching this | 11:26 |
| @wiking | :) | 11:26 |
| gf712 | I'm guessing it's the same with get_cov/cov? | 11:28 |
| @wiking | i guess so :))) | 11:29 |
| gf712 | ah I think I know why it wasn't done/. | 11:34 |
| gf712 | wiking in DenseFeatures is templated | 11:34 |
| gf712 | but DotFeatures uses just float64_t | 11:34 |
| @wiking | mmm | 11:34 |
| gf712 | so you can't override the DotFeatures get_mean because it is only defined for float64_t | 11:34 |
| gf712 | right? | 11:35 |
| @wiking | i mean DenseFeatures<int32>::mean value is likely to be float | 11:35 |
| @wiking | no? | 11:35 |
| @wiking | ;) | 11:35 |
| @wiking | or you would expect a floored int32_t as a result? | 11:35 |
| @wiking | agree that DenseFeatures<complex> is tricky | 11:36 |
| @wiking | :> | 11:36 |
| gf712 | yes I was going to say | 11:36 |
| @wiking | but that's another story :) | 11:36 |
| gf712 | but does anyone use complex? :D | 11:36 |
| @wiking | indeed | 11:36 |
| @wiking | but i mean | 11:36 |
| @wiking | it should be fine | 11:37 |
| @wiking | for the time being | 11:37 |
| @wiking | no? | 11:37 |
| @wiking | i would return float64_t | 11:37 |
| gf712 | yup, should be fine | 11:37 |
| gf712 | I'll run tests and see what happens | 11:37 |
| gf712 | wiking so many things that could/should be const | 11:41 |
| @wiking | yep | 11:42 |
| @wiking | hav efun :) | 11:42 |
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| feriglegarc | ?Hola! ?Anybody faced this one before? | 11:51 |
| feriglegarc | Target "XXX" requires the language dialect "CXX14" , but CMake does not know the compile flags to use to enable it. | 11:52 |
| feriglegarc | I tried adding these flags in cmake -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS=-std=c++14 -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE=-std=c++14 | 11:52 |
| gf712 | I think that is when your Cmake is too old and doesn't know c++14 | 11:53 |
| gf712 | I think support for CXX14 only started in Cmake 3.8 or so? | 11:53 |
| feriglegarc | I am doing cmake 3.8.0 | 11:54 |
| feriglegarc | gf712: it sounds sensible that it should still be possible to force the compiler flag as long as it supports, no? | 11:54 |
| gf712 | ah never mind that was with c++17 | 11:55 |
| gf712 | hmmm | 11:55 |
| feriglegarc | all right | 11:56 |
| gf712 | so set(CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD 14) doesn't work? | 11:58 |
| gf712 | wiking turns out forcing get_mean to only return float64_t type is a bit more difficult than I thought | 12:00 |
| gf712 | maybe that can be a separate PR? :D | 12:00 |
| @wiking | sure | 12:01 |
| gf712 | basically I don't think I can't mix types in the linalg stuff | 12:01 |
| gf712 | can* | 12:01 |
| gf712 | and then would have to be able to cast all SGVector from any type to float64_t | 12:02 |
| gf712 | which I you can't right? | 12:02 |
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| @wiking | gf712: xcode9-macos10.13 has no std::variant | 12:19 |
| @wiking | :( | 12:19 |
| @wiking | lets see if i can change the ci | 12:25 |
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| gf712 | wiking is there no Xcode10? | 12:25 |
| @wiking | apparently ther eis | 12:25 |
| @wiking | just trying to figure out how to activate that | 12:26 |
| @wiking | to be detected by cmake | 12:26 |
| gf712 | ah ok | 12:26 |
| gf712 | so annoying how it takes so long to get everything to the newest standard... | 12:26 |
| gf712 | they should slow down the releases.. | 12:26 |
| gf712 | wiking what is the best method to square a sgvector? | 12:34 |
| @wiking | eigen ?:) | 12:38 |
| @wiking | .sqrt() | 12:38 |
| @wiking | mat1.cwiseSqrt() | 12:39 |
| @wiking | or array.sqrt() | 12:40 |
| gf712 | OK! | 12:40 |
| @wiking | btw it's weird that cmake is not screaming that c++17 feature for xcode9 is not working | 12:41 |
| @wiking | one would hope that requiring cpp17 standard | 12:41 |
| @wiking | would result into an error when running cmake | 12:41 |
| @wiking | :( | 12:41 |
| gf712 | but I think Xcode9 supports c++17 | 12:42 |
| gf712 | just not std::variant | 12:42 |
| gf712 | it might be in experimental header | 12:42 |
| @wiking | yeah but that's not c++17 then | 12:42 |
| @wiking | or? :) | 12:42 |
| @wiking | std::variant is c++17 | 12:42 |
| @wiking | or should be | 12:42 |
| gf712 | yes, but it might still be experimental | 12:43 |
| gf712 | for older versions | 12:43 |
| gf712 | what if you try -stdlib=libc++? | 12:44 |
| @wiking | ok | 12:45 |
| @wiking | this doesn't work | 12:45 |
| @wiking | even if you use xcode10 std::visit is not available | 12:46 |
| @wiking | as that's only macos 10.14 | 12:46 |
| @wiking | \o/ | 12:46 |
| @wiking | and azure only has 10.13 | 12:47 |
| @wiking | so yeah switching to c++17 is a pain atm | 12:47 |
| @wiking | i mean i can keep the variant replacement in | 12:48 |
| @wiking | but then .... i mean it's the same as we stick to c++14 | 12:48 |
| gf712 | well c++17 has more features | 12:48 |
| gf712 | like constexpr if | 12:48 |
| gf712 | string views | 12:48 |
| gf712 | I'm guessing that works? | 12:49 |
| @wiking | dunno | 12:49 |
| @wiking | i mean that's the thing | 12:49 |
| @wiking | it's halfbacked | 12:49 |
| @wiking | and only latest os support it | 12:49 |
| @wiking | with very latest compiler | 12:49 |
| @wiking | and filesystem most of the places are still experimental | 12:49 |
| gf712 | hmm ok, I guess just have to put a reminder for in a years time... | 12:50 |
| @wiking | hahaha yeah | 12:50 |
| gf712 | just put it on repeat | 12:50 |
| gf712 | :( | 12:50 |
| @wiking | hahaha | 12:50 |
| @wiking | 8>c:\users\vssadministrator\.conda\envs\shogun\library\include\rxcpp\rx-util.hpp(686): error C2039: 'unexpected': is not a member of 'std' [D:\a\1\s\build\src\shogun\libshogun.vcxproj] | 12:50 |
| @wiking | C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\Enterprise\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.16.27023\include\unordered_set(19): note: see declaration of 'std' | 12:50 |
| @wiking | so more shhit | 12:50 |
| gf712 | ah so rxcpp is also falling behind.. | 12:51 |
| @wiking | but that's only on msvc | 12:52 |
| gf712 | I thought Rx was ms? shouldn't they maintain their stuff a bit better? | 12:52 |
| gf712 | oh well :( | 12:52 |
| @wiking | hehe | 12:54 |
| @wiking | seems something is wrong with clcache :( | 12:55 |
| feriglegarc | gf712: "so set(CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD 14) doesn't work?" It does work, it is in the CMakeLists.txt already | 13:04 |
| feriglegarc | for the moment I am concluding it as cmake 3.8.0 is not supported | 13:07 |
| feriglegarc | let me know if that's wrong, maybe you know some automatic job using that version (or even older), or someone using it | 13:08 |
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| gf712 | wiking why is there an implementation of mean in Eigen/linalg and then it isn't used by features? | 14:09 |
| @wiking | :shrug: | 14:09 |
| gf712 | might be worth start using more stuff that is linalg no? just seems to be easier to write stuff with Eigen than reimplementing some stuff... | 14:11 |
| gf712 | having a bit of a nightmare finding a way of just doing (X_i-X_mean)^2 :P | 14:11 |
| feriglegarc | variance? ^_^ | 14:20 |
| gf712 | yes | 14:22 |
| gf712 | just filled a matrix with -mean added X to that | 14:23 |
| feriglegarc | gf712: meant it in the sense of using a library method for it, e.g. https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/blob/develop/src/shogun/mathematics/Statistics.h#L55 | 14:23 |
| gf712 | hmm but that is for a vector | 14:24 |
| gf712 | I guess I can just do for each feature | 14:24 |
| gf712 | basically NumPy still std() is what I want | 14:24 |
| gf712 | but then the mean per column so doesn't really work right? | 14:27 |
| gf712 | rather than the mean of the matrix | 14:27 |
| feriglegarc | I don't know how you've access to your columns, etc | 14:30 |
| feriglegarc | but for instance maybe you can call that method per column, wrapping each one on a SGVector (without copying the data, of course) | 14:31 |
| feriglegarc | but to me it sounds reasonable that there could already be a method around there in Shogun doing what you want | 14:31 |
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| @wiking | gf712: colwise.sqrt() | 15:04 |
| @wiking | :) | 15:04 |
| @wiking | since it's column oriented anyways | 15:04 |
| gf712 | OK! | 15:25 |
| gf712 | wiking btw when do we use dense features and when is it dot features? | 15:25 |
| @wiking | well basically | 15:26 |
| @wiking | all the kernels could use SparseFeatures and DenseFeatures | 15:26 |
| @wiking | that's why there's dot feature (one reason) | 15:26 |
| @wiking | and libsvmfile format is sparseFeatures | 15:26 |
| @wiking | so densefeatures = csv | 15:26 |
| @wiking | :) | 15:26 |
| @wiking | but actually mostly we should use dotfeatures | 15:27 |
| @wiking | if possible | 15:27 |
| @wiking | but many many algos | 15:27 |
| @wiking | static cast CFeatures | 15:27 |
| @wiking | to DenseFeatureS<float64> | 15:27 |
| @wiking | which is super bad | 15:27 |
| @wiking | but yeah | 15:27 |
| @wiking | ... | 15:27 |
| gf712 | but why is it bad? | 15:28 |
| gf712 | it seems to me like dense is much easier to work with | 15:28 |
| @wiking | yeah | 15:28 |
| @wiking | that's why everybody casts it | 15:29 |
| gf712 | mostly because I can access the raw data | 15:29 |
| @wiking | but the problem is | 15:29 |
| gf712 | and use linalg | 15:29 |
| @wiking | that this way you completely disregard the option of useing sparse vector space | 15:29 |
| @wiking | or like | 15:29 |
| @wiking | DenseFeatures<float32> or DenseFeatures<int> | 15:29 |
| @wiking | ;) | 15:29 |
| gf712 | hmm I am still confused why dense features exists then? | 15:31 |
| gf712 | shouldn't dot features be more complete in that case? | 15:31 |
| @wiking | densefeatures is still an entity | 15:31 |
| @wiking | but yeah we should work on things | 15:31 |
| @wiking | on a higher level | 15:31 |
| @wiking | if possible | 15:31 |
| @wiking | see for example the rpobelm of DenseFeature being a template | 15:31 |
| @wiking | to start with | 15:32 |
| @wiking | so typecasting is shitty | 15:32 |
| @wiking | properly | 15:32 |
| @wiking | CFeatures -> DenseFeature<WHAT> | 15:32 |
| @wiking | coz all the algos | 15:32 |
| @wiking | are getting for fit/train CFeatures* | 15:32 |
| @wiking | but check the doxy | 15:33 |
| @wiking | http://shogun.ml/api/latest/classshogun_1_1CDotFeatures.html | 15:33 |
| @wiking | you could handle all those inherited classees as the same | 15:34 |
| @wiking | way | 15:34 |
| gf712 | hmmm I'll have a better look | 15:38 |
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| gf712 | wiking is it ok if in this one situation with the polykernel I cast to densefeatures because I wrote the std function with Eigen... | 16:53 |
| gf712 | now gamma does the same as the new sklearn | 16:53 |
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| @wiking | gf712: push it | 16:56 |
| @wiking | :) | 16:56 |
| gf712 | cool! | 16:57 |
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| @wiking | fuuuuck | 17:10 |
| @wiking | http://gernotklingler.com/blog/creating-using-shared-libraries-different-compilers-different-operating-systems/ | 17:11 |
| @wiking | time to use libtooling | 17:11 |
| @wiking | to add to our classes SHOGUN_EXPORT | 17:11 |
| @wiking | ok taking a break and writing that libtooling hack | 17:13 |
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