IRC logs of #shogun for Tuesday, 2011-08-16

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@sonney2kit is too bad that I cannot really schedule any meeting because my schedule is totally unclear/open00:00
@sonney2k*sighs*00:00
@sonney2kanyway, we are good00:00
@sonney2kI hope heiko manages to fix the migration stuff and then we can rock the test suite :)00:01
blackburnkilled >50 warnings00:01
blackburnwill commit in a min00:01
@sonney2kfrom then on the buildbot will ensure that things never diverge again :)00:02
@sonney2k(famous last words)00:02
blackburnwhy famous?00:02
@sonney2kblackburn, don't you know the famous last words?00:03
@sonney2knothing can go wrong00:03
@sonney2ki have everthing under control00:03
blackburnI don't really understand what is you are talking about :D00:03
@sonney2kdoesn't matter :)00:03
@sonney2kI was joking00:04
blackburnokay..00:04
@sonney2kas always00:04
CIA-87shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r1e71db1 / (7 files in 3 dirs): More warning hunt - http://bit.ly/qUecom00:04
blackburnsonney2k: what a soul-stirring mail from you ;)00:08
blackburnarhh can't wait till it compiles00:10
blackburnpower off now, sonney2k see you00:10
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serialhexi *just* got home... and blackburn *just6* got off :(00:15
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--- Log opened Tue Aug 16 02:53:28 2011
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CIA-87shogun: Shashwat Lal Das master * r6b4e7a2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Added VW example and fixed a write-mode argument in IOBuffer. - http://bit.ly/qxmX9T09:28
CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r41e3393 / (2 files in 2 dirs):09:28
CIA-87shogun: Merge pull request #298 from frx/streaming_vw09:28
CIA-87shogun: Added VW example and fixed a write-mode argument in IOBuffer. - http://bit.ly/ohH3Rf09:28
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bb__hi ?10:46
@sonney2kbb__, hi10:47
@sonney2kalright10:47
@sonney2kbb__, there seems to be sth wrong with your matlab detection10:47
bb__apparently so.  i'm using a recent matlab install and configure doesn't seem to pick it up10:48
@sonney2kbb__, so lets run a few commands and check10:48
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@sonney2kwhat does10:48
@sonney2kuname -s10:48
@sonney2ksay?10:48
bb__Linux10:48
@sonney2kso far so good10:49
@sonney2kmatlab -nojvm -nodisplay -r 'version;quit' >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo yes10:49
@sonney2kbb__, and?10:50
bb__it says 'yes'10:50
@sonney2kgreat10:50
@sonney2know10:50
@sonney2kecho "unix('env');quit" | matlab -nojvm -nodisplay | grep '^MATLAB=' | cut -c 8-10:50
bb__it doesn't produce anything (sorry for delay - i have to type into another screen)10:52
@sonney2kok that is the reason10:52
@sonney2kthen lets see10:52
@sonney2kecho "unix('env');quit" | matlab -nojvm -nodisplay | grep MATLAB10:52
bb__I can't paste back the output ,  but there's no "MATLAB" env variable set.   Closest thing is BASEMATLABPATH10:53
@sonney2kbb__, why can't you past?10:54
@sonney2kpaste10:54
bb__I'm using a machine that's off the network.10:55
@sonney2kbb__, when you do unix('env') does the path where matlab is installed somehow appear in any of the variables?10:55
@sonney2kbb__, problem really is to detect the path where matlab is installed10:56
bb__well, matlab is on my path.  is that what you mean ?10:56
@sonney2kbb__, it doesn't help that it is in your $PATH - we need a way to figure out where it is installed10:57
@sonney2klike /opt/software/matlab2011a/ whatever10:57
bb__Well, i could set an environement variable to where its installed.    But i don't see its install location in the output of the matlab -nojvm ...   command10:58
@sonney2kbb__, so did unix('env') in matlab show you anything that contains that?10:58
bb__No .10:59
@sonney2kbb__, and if you do which matlab from cmdline ?11:00
bb__sure, it finds it because its on my path.   but apart from the path variable, i don't see it in the environment11:00
@sonney2kbb__, or even better from matlab type matlabroot11:00
bb__that finds it.11:00
@sonney2kbb__, alright then I will use that11:02
bb__how so ?  will you have to modify the configure script ?11:04
@sonney2kbb__, I will do a patch soon - stay tuned. got to go now but will submit a patch to git in the next few hrs.11:04
@sonney2kbb__, cu11:04
bb__thanks !!11:04
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CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r3f2cb7e / src/configure :11:15
CIA-87shogun: use matlabroot to determine matlab root path11:15
CIA-87shogun: hopefully fixes matlab 2011a compile issues - http://bit.ly/orUFXd11:15
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CIA-87shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * redc7424 / (14 files in 6 dirs): Doc safari - http://bit.ly/p1iy4i12:12
CIA-87shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r703659c / (10 files in 4 dirs): More warning hunt - http://bit.ly/pXopcQ12:36
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@sonney2kheiko, did you make any progress on the bug?14:12
heikohey sonney2k14:12
@sonney2kheiko, we are trying to get the examples to run again (w/o crashes...)14:12
heikoI did not really work on it yet because i am getting nuts with the parameter migration stuff14:12
@sonney2ksuch that we can have them in the build tests14:12
heikoshould i do the bug first?14:12
@sonney2kyes please14:12
heikook then14:12
@sonney2kbugs are always more important14:12
heikook i will approach it then14:13
blackburnsonney2k: 57114:13
@sonney2kblackburn, hey hey14:13
@sonney2kgreat stuff14:13
@sonney2klike down to 50% :)14:13
blackburnI'd like to get it to zero this week14:13
@sonney2kblackburn, then we can start the test suite14:13
blackburnyeah14:13
@sonney2kand then we will see more :)14:13
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blackburnshould be <500 now14:50
CIA-87shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r747d65d / (17 files in 8 dirs): More warning hunt - http://bit.ly/mQkiLW14:51
@sonney2kheiko, any idea about the bug?14:57
heikosonney2k, just wrote a test which shows normal behaviour14:57
heikotrying to reproduce14:58
heikobut still extending the test14:58
@sonney2kheiko, you can reproduce it by running any of the *serial* examples in undocumented/python_modular14:58
heikooh14:58
heikosonney2k, oh, I thought you were talking about the cross.-validation bug14:59
heikothat was reported to the tracker14:59
heikosorry, misunderstood you14:59
heikoWell i will check the other bug afterwards, the x-val-splitting bug should be done soon15:00
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blackburnsonney2k: 464!15:30
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@sonney2kheiko, the serialization bug is the critical one - as this is currently what fails in the test suite16:15
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@sonney2kheiko, it is a blocker - before that is one is not fixed we cannot enable make check-examples in the tests16:16
@sonney2kerr buildbot16:16
heikosonney2k, ok, i will start very soon, the x-val-splitting thing is nearly done. will send a patch in the next minutes16:17
@sonney2kok16:19
heikosonney2k, have you seen the xval bugreport?16:38
@sonney2kheiko, yes but didn't pay attention to it16:38
heikoI think there is no error, I added some warnings to prevent false usage16:39
@sonney2kheiko, you can talk to the submitter of the bug16:39
@sonney2kor leave a comment etc16:39
heiko(if there are not enough elements of each class to put one in every subset, its clear that there may be a problem16:39
heikohow to login into the tracker?16:39
@sonney2kheiko, http://shogun-toolbox.org/trac ?16:40
heikoi need login16:43
@sonney2kheiko, you got mail16:43
@sonney2kheiko, did it work?16:47
heikotesting16:50
heikodid only get a passwort, no login16:50
@sonney2kheiko, guess 3 times what your login is :D16:51
heikohehe, welllll16:51
heikoworking :)16:57
heikosonney2k, logged in but still cannot see email adress or comment17:02
@sonney2kheiko, now?17:08
heikoyes, now its working17:09
@sonney2kok17:11
heikosonney2k, here comes the pull request17:17
CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r14d5e34 / (9 files in 4 dirs):17:19
CIA-87shogun: Merge pull request #299 from karlnapf/master17:19
CIA-87shogun: added example/test for stratified cross-validation splitting (+6 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/pyKAH517:19
@sonney2kheiko, ok now please the 'real' bug and I am happy17:19
heikosonney2k, yes17:19
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shogun-buildbotbuild #44 of libshogun is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org:5347/builders/libshogun/builds/4417:24
shogun-buildbotbuild #40 of cmdline_static is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org:5347/builders/cmdline_static/builds/40  blamelist: heiko.strathmann@gmail.com17:28
@sonney2kheiko, http://www.shogun-toolbox.org:5347/builders/cmdline_static/builds/40/steps/compile/logs/stdio ?17:28
heikoyes, just saw it17:29
heikofixing ....17:29
@sonney2kthe buildbot was really worth the work :D17:31
heikotrue :)17:31
heikommh17:31
heikoi do not understand that error17:31
heikoand here libshogun compiles17:32
heikoah ok17:32
heikocmdline static17:32
heikosonney2k, that error message is strange17:32
heikosonney2k, the matrix serial example works17:37
heikothe complex example fails due to an illegal import17:37
heikoand the svm serial example segfaults17:38
@sonney2kheiko, I sent to the valgrind output of that crash17:38
heikoof which example was it?17:38
@sonney2kthese examples used to work17:39
@sonney2ksvmlight17:39
heikook17:39
@sonney2kdammed crash of build slave17:39
@sonney2krunning a memtest now17:43
@sonney2kheiko, file serialization_svmlight_modular.py - seems to be some double free()17:44
@sonney2kno idea why though17:44
heikosonney2k, I removed the stuff i added to SGObject and the example still crashes17:44
heikommmhm17:44
@sonney2kehh I know that it worked reliably - if everything else fails we need to git bisect17:45
@sonney2kheiko, binary search in git revisions for the 'bad' commit17:46
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heikosonney2k, i have got to go now, sorry, will do this tommorrow at first place18:05
heikochecked my commits, think this was caused some time ago, not by recent work18:06
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@sonney2kblackburn, shogun-toolbox.org is now twice as powerful :)20:00
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blackburnsonney2k: what happened?20:28
@sonney2kblackburn, I paid a few euros to upgrade it20:28
blackburnnice20:28
@sonney2kblackburn, 3G memory now instead of 768M ... however we still have load 5 on that server20:30
@sonney2klots of connections to apache it seems20:30
@sonney2kand git20:30
blackburnI hope you will receive google money and able to pay greater server20:31
blackburnbtw we can host some site on github20:32
@sonney2kblackburn, it certainly is big enough now for just hosting websites/git/trac/buildbot20:32
@sonney2kblackburn, <1G of memory in use currently20:33
blackburnokay20:33
@sonney2k(under high load)20:33
@sonney2kI think money would be better invested in some buildbot20:34
@sonney2kerr build-slave20:34
@sonney2ke.g. an osx machine running linux/cygwin in virtual machines too20:34
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blackburnsonney2k: got a plan for next ~3 months21:00
@sonney2kworld domination?21:00
blackburnnot yet21:00
@sonney2kyeah true - that takes 6 months21:00
blackburnspectral clustering, t-sne, sammon mapping, and some more21:00
@sonney2kt-sne ?21:00
@sonney2ksammon mapping?21:01
blackburnyeah dim reduction techniques21:01
blackburnmore applicable to real data than isomap/lle stuff21:01
* sonney2k googles21:01
blackburnah yes, LLTSA too21:01
blackburnwe have LTSA but linear LTSA - LLTSA should be better for real data21:02
@sonney2kI guess I will be stuck in admin stuff / fixing structural errors all my life long21:02
blackburnit is quite frustrating but all of methods are fit for toy data rather than real21:03
blackburnof developed already21:03
* sonney2k runs git bisect to detect the commit that killed serialization21:03
blackburnwhy do you think so?21:03
@sonney2kblackburn, welcome to the wonderful world of ML research21:04
blackburnstructural stuff should be fixed soon I hope21:04
@sonney2kblackburn, I currently see so many things that I would love to polish21:04
@sonney2kblackburn, and even just parallelizing code is what I consider fixing bugs21:04
@sonney2kbut you never know :D21:04
* sonney2k the serialization stuff broke between july 26't and aug 1621:05
blackburnwell we should fix as much as possible21:05
blackburnohoh21:05
blackburnnice21:05
blackburnvery important info :D21:05
shogun-buildbotbuild #4 of nightly_none is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org:5347/builders/nightly_none/builds/421:05
blackburnnightly built??21:05
@sonney2kblackburn, git bisect just rocks21:06
blackburnnever used it21:06
@sonney2kblackburn, nightly_all failed again but nightly_none works now :)21:06
@sonney2kblackburn, it does binary search in commits :)21:07
blackburnwhere are code warnings21:07
blackburnyes I know what it does21:07
blackburnbut never used21:07
blackburnthere are*21:07
@sonney2kI know you never make any mistakes :)21:07
blackburnhttp://www.shogun-toolbox.org:5347/builders/nightly_none/builds/4/steps/compile/logs/warnings%20%2865%2921:07
blackburnI do a lot21:07
blackburnhmm21:07
blackburnI should fix it21:08
@sonney2kblackburn, ignore these for now21:08
blackburnwhy?21:08
@sonney2kit is better to work on the real thing21:08
@sonney2kthis is with all options disabled21:08
blackburnah forgot21:08
blackburnI want to make some thing to compute intrinsic dimension of data21:08
@sonney2kblackburn, regarding your plan - please fire up trac and create a new milestone for shogun 1.2 and add your algo's as bugs in there21:09
blackburnwhy 1.2?21:09
@sonney2kblackburn, 1.1 ?21:10
blackburnwhen do you plan to release 1.1?21:10
@sonney2ktrue - next release should be around x-mas21:10
@sonney2kthough we might have to have bug fix releases inbetween21:10
blackburnyeah21:11
blackburnsonney2k: how soon will it be in debian?21:11
@sonney2kblackburn, as soon as I manage to package it21:11
blackburnunstable, right?21:11
@sonney2knot so easy because we made so many structural changes21:11
@sonney2ky21:11
@sonney2kbut when that is done I can include building a debian package in the nightly test21:12
blackburnsonney2k: should we update ui?21:13
@sonney2kblackburn, update in which respect?21:13
blackburne.g. my preprocs are not available here21:14
blackburnnew kernels too21:14
@sonney2kblackburn, I wouldn't do it right now21:14
blackburnnot for release?21:14
@sonney2kI think time is more well spend on developing a working swig-R / swig-matlab than trying to get this to work21:15
@sonney2kblackburn, no21:15
@sonney2kmodular interfaces is what people should use to get all the features21:15
blackburndo you plan to kill it some day?21:15
@sonney2kblackburn, if things would work for matlab and R yes21:15
@sonney2kuntil then no21:16
blackburnI see21:16
blackburnsonney2k: I think about simple task for evgeniy=gsomix21:17
blackburnfixing warnings is not interesting for him (as expected) :D21:18
@sonney2kblackburn, how about JL's covertree?21:20
blackburnit seems he finds it too difficult21:20
blackburnmay be logistic regression?21:20
blackburnwill ask21:20
@sonney2kblackburn, we have logistic regression in there (in liblinear)21:21
blackburnokay klr21:21
blackburnwe have no klr21:21
blackburnmean kerner logistic regression21:21
blackburnkernel21:21
@sonney2kok21:21
blackburnehhr21:21
blackburnbut I would say it is more difficult hehe21:21
blackburnhe is first-year undergraduate in physics - not really familiar with probabilities stuff21:22
blackburnbut we will see21:22
@sonney2kblackburn, alternative is simple file i/o stuff - like support nd-array i/o21:22
@sonney2kmaybe not that interesting21:23
blackburnaha21:23
@sonney2kor developing some tutorial - I mean examples for tutorial?21:23
@sonney2kand then cool figures for everything?21:24
blackburnyeah21:24
blackburnwill ask too21:24
@sonney2k6 more rebuilds of shogun and we will know which commit caused the problem :)21:24
@sonney2k2 more rebuilds left21:36
@sonney2kbetween aug 1 and 16 now21:36
blackburninteresting21:38
blackburnsonney2k: I just noticed no bettyboo and mlsec here hehe21:39
blackburnokay time to warning safari21:40
@sonney2kblackburn, servers at tu were moved ...21:40
@sonney2kblackburn, I found the reason for the serialization crash22:13
blackburnsonney2k: and it is ..?22:13
@sonney2khow to explain...22:13
@sonney2kno idea how to explain22:14
@sonney2kit is caused by removal of new[]()22:14
blackburnoh22:14
@sonney2kreason is that new Bla[123](); calls default constructor for Bla22:15
@sonney2kbut that is not all22:15
@sonney2kI created SGVector object22:15
@sonney2kthat contains a virtual function22:15
@sonney2kas soon as the virtual function is in there -> kaboom22:16
blackburnuh22:16
@sonney2kthat is sth I would never have found w/o git bisect22:16
blackburnyeah22:16
@sonney2kthank $DEITY we switched to git22:17
blackburnhmm.. warning hunt becomes harder22:18
blackburnthere was easy 100-200 warning killers22:18
@sonney2kgreat one can even automatically run git bisect calling test scripts :)22:19
blackburnsonney2k: one more thing worrying me: there are a lot of svm solvers / etc but ow can we manage to update it if origin updated22:19
blackburnI mean it definitely have bugs and we don't watch origins22:20
@sonney2kblackburn, only libsvm  / liblinear gets updated22:20
@sonney2kI watch from time to time22:20
blackburnother things died? :D22:20
@sonney2kand do vimdiff style merges22:20
@sonney2kno22:20
@sonney2kthey just work as they did years ago22:20
blackburnno bugs still?22:21
@sonney2kblackburn, well I merged e.g. svmlight version 6.xx so there is hope svmlight would work by then22:21
blackburnwhy there are a lot of svm solvers?22:22
@sonney2kand libsvm usually does some enhancements not really helpful to us (x-validation ...)22:22
@sonney2keveryone has its strenght and it is great if you can compare speed stability...22:22
@sonney2ks/everyone/each22:22
blackburnwhy there are no pretty good for every task?22:23
blackburnthanks %DEITY I work on exact methods haha22:24
blackburnsonney2k: btw the best thing I did in project is arpack wrapper - really useful but still only for me22:25
@sonney2kwelcome to numerics22:27
@sonney2kall solutions are just approximations22:27
@sonney2ksome approximations are worse than others under certain condtions (parameters) for certain properties of the data ...22:28
blackburncrazy22:28
@sonney2kblackburn, even a+b+c != c+b+a in floating point22:29
blackburnyeah sure but I don't grasp why svm opt task's solution ways are so different22:30
@sonney2kblackburn, for non-floating point numbers they would all (after infinite) iterations converge to the same solution22:31
@sonney2kbut in real-life one wants to stop more early :D22:31
blackburnsonney2k: have you seen my picture with parkinsons data dimreduction?22:34
@sonney2kno22:35
blackburnsonney2k: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10139213/shogun/parkinsons.pdf22:35
blackburnuseless embedding though22:35
blackburnvoice freq data 18d->2d22:36
@sonney2kblackburn, did you %ignore SGIO?22:36
blackburnyeah22:36
blackburnis it needed? :D22:36
blackburnSHIT22:37
blackburncrossvalidationresult too22:37
@sonney2kand version too22:37
@sonney2kI am unignoring them :)22:37
blackburnjava modular will fail22:37
blackburnokay22:37
blackburnI will add dummy for them22:38
blackburnI really like heiko's code22:39
blackburnI definitely should marry him22:40
@sonney2kblackburn, tell him tomorrow22:40
blackburnyeah sure22:40
@sonney2kwe need a big hug'ing session :D22:40
blackburnheh22:40
blackburnsonney2k: will you commit unignoring now?22:42
@sonney2kdone22:43
CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r6446418 / src/interfaces/modular/modshogun_ignores.i : unignore a few more classes like SGIO, version, ... - http://bit.ly/oOCsvW22:43
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blackburnsonney2k: heiko's python example will work again22:44
@sonney2kyeah22:44
blackburnI hopefully fixed java22:44
blackburnwill check22:44
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@sonney2kblackburn, uhoh the bug is more involved then I thouhgt22:47
blackburnis serialization still fucked up?22:47
@sonney2kit was only working because we were lucky22:47
@sonney2kwe need to treat SGVector/SGMatrix/... differently in serialization22:48
@sonney2kheiko made them special cases of  the double* x, int len stuff22:48
@sonney2kbut that won't work22:48
blackburnehh22:48
@sonney2kbecause on loading the ptr is cast as e.g. doulbe ptr22:48
@sonney2knot SGVector22:49
@sonney2kso kaboom22:49
@sonney2kbut only when using virtual because the vtable is at the beginning of the SGVector object22:49
@sonney2kif we don't have virtual in there the SGVector object starts with a T* vector22:49
@sonney2kso just because we are lucky it was starting with the object ptr!!!22:49
@sonney2kpure horror22:50
blackburnhehe22:50
blackburna lot of sorrow with serialization22:50
@sonney2kI hope heiko doesn't get totally demotivated when attempting to fix these bugs22:51
@sonney2knot really his code / task but sooo useful / important22:51
CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r49ff851 / src/shogun/lib/DataType.h : temporary workaround for crasher in serialization - http://bit.ly/ov830I23:00
@sonney2kblackburn, ok python modular tests run except for structure_dynprog_modular.py23:00
blackburnsonney2k: why?23:00
@sonney2kwhy what?23:00
blackburndynprog23:00
blackburnfails23:00
@sonney2kSGVector transition23:00
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blackburnah23:01
CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r54d0eba / src/shogun/mathematics/Math.h : fix compile error when logsumarray is enabled - http://bit.ly/mW7F2223:06
@sonney2kanother bugfix for tomorrows nightly_all23:06
blackburncan't expand SGIO for some reason23:11
@sonney2kextend you mean?23:17
blackburnyeah23:18
blackburnsame for dummkopf like me hah23:18
blackburnsonney2k: SGIO have no public constructor in swig!23:51
@sonney2k?23:54
@sonney2kwhy not?23:54
blackburnфр23:54
blackburnah23:54
blackburnit shouldn't have I think23:54
blackburnbut it doesnt' work23:54
CIA-87shogun: Shashwat Lal Das master * r094d8ec / (4 files in 4 dirs): Corrections to expand_if_required for StreamingVwFeatures.Added StreamingVwFeatures example. - http://bit.ly/rn9r6h23:55
CIA-87shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * r4b721c8 / (4 files in 4 dirs):23:55
CIA-87shogun: Merge pull request #300 from frx/streaming_vw23:55
CIA-87shogun: SGD using CStreamingVwFeatures - http://bit.ly/oyrog323:55
CIA-87shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * ra419f9b / (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:shogun-toolbox/shogun - http://bit.ly/nnNLiU23:57
CIA-87shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r8f5d697 / (3 files): Java externalization fixes - http://bit.ly/qujIpt23:57
blackburnno idea how to get SGIO serializable23:57
@sonney2kblackburn, what is the difference to other classes?23:57
@sonney2k(I don't see any)23:58
blackburndidn't find any23:58
blackburnit says no save_serializable23:58
blackburnbut it is here!23:58
@sonney2kthat doesn't really make sense23:59
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