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| shogun-buildbot | build #261 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/nightly_default/builds/261 | 03:48 |
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| blackburn | sonney2k: okay I'll take a look on saturday | 07:17 |
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| jmfavreau | hi. I'm a new shogun user | 16:31 |
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| jmfavreau | is CDenseFeatures has the load function implemented? | 17:36 |
| jmfavreau | or do I have to use the serialized version? | 17:36 |
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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: around? | 21:35 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: I am here instead of him :D | 21:37 |
| blackburn | oops | 21:37 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: | 21:37 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:37 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: haha ok | 21:37 |
| n4nd0 | so I will fire at you | 21:37 |
| n4nd0 | but I already asked you about this the other day, it is same question but rephrased | 21:38 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: do you happen to know how well the structured SVM may work with continuous structured data? | 21:38 |
| n4nd0 | think for example of something like an HMM | 21:38 |
| n4nd0 | where the states are also real numbers | 21:39 |
| blackburn | ahh that time series | 21:39 |
| n4nd0 | (i.e. a linear dynamical system) | 21:39 |
| blackburn | I actually think it is kind of wrong | 21:40 |
| blackburn | SVM is here just to estimate dependencies we doesn't happen to know | 21:40 |
| blackburn | if you need parameters it is math | 21:40 |
| blackburn | but may be I don't get it a little | 21:41 |
| n4nd0 | mmm | 21:50 |
| n4nd0 | when you say if you need parameters it is math | 21:50 |
| blackburn | yeah I think so | 21:50 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: do you mean it like parameter estimation in the sense of a generative model? | 21:50 |
| blackburn | kind of, yes | 21:50 |
| n4nd0 | well but you can use SVM as an alternative to generative models | 21:51 |
| blackburn | I see nothing discriminative in estimation of A,B,C,D of linear system | 21:51 |
| n4nd0 | discriminative models more in general | 21:51 |
| n4nd0 | but it is discriminative in the sense that if I tell you | 21:51 |
| n4nd0 | take a look to these observations | 21:51 |
| n4nd0 | now tell me where did they come from, what was the state of the system them | 21:52 |
| n4nd0 | there a lot of possible states | 21:52 |
| n4nd0 | you find one of them | 21:52 |
| blackburn | yeah but I feel it a little cumbersome | 21:52 |
| n4nd0 | hehe I don't understand why :) | 21:53 |
| blackburn | can't prove :D my ass feeling | 21:53 |
| n4nd0 | the thing is I am not trying to estimate the parameters A, B, C and D of the system in an SVM fashion | 21:53 |
| blackburn | I don't understand how structured svm works | 21:53 |
| blackburn | yes I understand the math and some cases like multiclass but I don't realize what is it in case of infinite states | 21:54 |
| n4nd0 | yeah me neither | 21:55 |
| n4nd0 | I don't really know if it can even work | 21:55 |
| n4nd0 | let me show you a part of a paper | 21:55 |
| blackburn | I have an feeling that it can be wrong actually :D | 21:55 |
| blackburn | SO comes from crammer and singer formulation with basic generalization | 21:55 |
| n4nd0 | http://vision.lbl.gov/Conferences/cvpr/Papers/data/papers/1099.pdf | 21:56 |
| blackburn | I have no reasons left behind to do that, so it is all pretty doubtful for me | 21:56 |
| n4nd0 | second page | 21:56 |
| n4nd0 | second column | 21:56 |
| n4nd0 | they say something like | 21:56 |
| n4nd0 | CRFs, SO-SVM and others | 21:57 |
| n4nd0 | are for structured prediction case for *discrete* outputs | 21:58 |
| n4nd0 | and that there are generatilizations to *continuous* outputs | 21:58 |
| blackburn | right | 21:58 |
| n4nd0 | the reference for this one is related to kernel density estimation with joint kernel maps | 21:58 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: just recalled, did I told you I received two mails about tapkee already? | 21:59 |
| n4nd0 | and actually the paper ^ with this SOAR thingy looks kind of for this continuous outputs too | 21:59 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I read something you mentioned in a conversation with Heiko or maybe it was with Viktor | 21:59 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I should read the paper to understand it more | 21:59 |
| n4nd0 | something about a graduate student and later the professor IIRC? | 22:00 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: yeah me too | 22:00 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I was wrong actually | 22:00 |
| blackburn | totally different people | 22:00 |
| blackburn | :) | 22:00 |
| blackburn | in means of relations | 22:00 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I have not diffed into these papers yet | 22:00 |
| blackburn | different cities even | 22:00 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: haha ok | 22:00 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: that's even better, more users | 22:00 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: have you seen I set up google analytics? | 22:01 |
| blackburn | we should install it to the shogun page too | 22:01 |
| n4nd0 | I saw the fancy github page you sent me | 22:02 |
| n4nd0 | but I don't think that is what you meant, is it? | 22:02 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: oops how can you see :D | 22:03 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: what? :) | 22:03 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I am the only user who sees this I guess | 22:03 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: okay I set up js script on index.html | 22:03 |
| blackburn | that collects data about visits | 22:03 |
| n4nd0 | oh I could see that because you sent me a link yesterday hehe | 22:05 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: link to? | 22:05 |
| n4nd0 | the fancy webpage I was talking about | 22:05 |
| blackburn | http://lisitsyn.github.com/tapkee/ | 22:05 |
| blackburn | that one? | 22:05 |
| n4nd0 | but I think that doesn't have anything to do with google anlytics, not sure though | 22:05 |
| n4nd0 | yep | 22:05 |
| blackburn | check sources | 22:06 |
| blackburn | it has some kind of collecting script | 22:06 |
| n4nd0 | mm I don't find what you are saying | 22:10 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: check index.hmtl | 22:11 |
| blackburn | https://github.com/lisitsyn/tapkee/blob/gh-pages/index.html | 22:12 |
| n4nd0 | I see something with google analytics there | 22:16 |
| blackburn | yeah and I have access to that data | 22:16 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: is it storing in there every time we get a visit? | 22:16 |
| blackburn | yes | 22:16 |
| n4nd0 | that's kind of cool :) | 22:17 |
| n4nd0 | what do you want to do with that data? | 22:17 |
| blackburn | nothing it is just interesting to see that | 22:17 |
| n4nd0 | indeed hehe | 22:17 |
| n4nd0 | http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js | 22:17 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: the page has 14 unique visitors so far | 22:18 |
| n4nd0 | that file is quite unreadable for me at least | 22:20 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: where do you see that? | 22:20 |
| blackburn | in the google analytics account | 22:21 |
| blackburn | I am searchng a way to share that somehow | 22:21 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I've added you | 22:22 |
| blackburn | check the GA | 22:23 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I can it too now | 22:25 |
| n4nd0 | really cool | 22:25 |
| n4nd0 | I can see* | 22:26 |
| blackburn | we can haz statz | 22:26 |
| n4nd0 | so all these statistics are about the fancy webpage | 22:30 |
| n4nd0 | not the normal github one, right? | 22:30 |
| blackburn | right | 22:31 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: I am excited about shogun's workshop | 22:38 |
| blackburn | I am too | 22:38 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: are you planning to stay in Berlin for some days? | 22:39 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yes I hope so | 22:39 |
| n4nd0 | cool | 22:39 |
| blackburn | I should find some travel offer | 22:40 |
| n4nd0 | sure | 22:40 |
| n4nd0 | we will probably know more of it and can start planning better after the meeting tom | 22:40 |
| blackburn | cause I don't want to deal with visa :D | 22:40 |
| blackburn | some travelling company should take care of this I hope | 22:40 |
| blackburn | so the meeting is tomorrow right? | 22:41 |
| blackburn | ah I see | 22:42 |
| blackburn | I managed to miss that mail somehow | 22:42 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: there it goes | 22:45 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: hah thanks I meant I just missed it in my box | 22:45 |
| n4nd0 | haha whatever | 22:45 |
| blackburn | hmm 20 utc | 22:45 |
| blackburn | so for me it is hmmm | 22:45 |
| n4nd0 | here it is 21 | 22:46 |
| n4nd0 | so there 23 I think | 22:46 |
| blackburn | 24 | 22:46 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:46 |
| blackburn | russia is controlled by aliens so +4 | 22:47 |
| blackburn | they prefer when sunset happens like 3:20 or so | 22:47 |
| n4nd0 | aaah | 22:48 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, don't trust the aliens | 23:03 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, recall that we have analytics for years on shogun-toolbox.org | 23:03 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: really? | 23:03 |
| @sonney2k | you just didn't want to have access to it... | 23:03 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:03 |
| blackburn | ohh I see | 23:03 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: no you always told me you don't have exact stats | 23:04 |
| blackburn | some misunderstanding happened | 23:04 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I have no download stats but all the rest I have | 23:04 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: can you share it? | 23:04 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I offered this to you > 1 year ago | 23:04 |
| blackburn | I am constantly drunk come on | 23:05 |
| blackburn | be merciful | 23:05 |
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| blackburn | sonney2k: I was young and stupid | 23:07 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:07 |
| @sonney2k | and you didn't need the money I know :D | 23:07 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, you've got mail | 23:07 |
| blackburn | thanks | 23:08 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: nice load we have | 23:09 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: posting that we use eigen leads to 60 clicks :D | 23:10 |
| blackburn | interesting | 23:10 |
| blackburn | from the eigen3 site | 23:11 |
| blackburn | sleep time | 23:13 |
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| n4nd0 | sonney2k: what aliens? :) | 23:18 |
| n4nd0 | tell me about it tomorrow hehe | 23:27 |
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