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| n4nd0 | blackburn: meeting in about 25min right? | 20:35 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: I think so | 20:38 |
| n4nd0 | :) | 20:38 |
| * sonney2k starts preparations | 20:55 | |
| * sonney2k opens bottle of beer | 20:56 | |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, grab your vodka | 20:56 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: ready | 20:56 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, cheers! | 20:56 |
| * sonney2k takes a sip | 20:56 | |
| blackburn | sonney2k: have you prepared your sausages? | 20:56 |
| blackburn | I am powering off my nuclear station and sipping vodka | 20:57 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, sure | 20:57 |
| @sonney2k | I've also switched to wearing lederhosen | 20:57 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: well my shapka uschanka is in place | 20:58 |
| n4nd0 | I have my wine next to me too :D | 20:59 |
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| blackburn | n4nd0: hmm we need something stereotypical about you too | 21:00 |
| blackburn | hey there alex that loves data | 21:00 |
| alexlovesdata | hey blackburn | 21:01 |
| alexlovesdata | I am only in webchat | 21:01 |
| alexlovesdata | too stupid to get empathy running on ubuntu | 21:01 |
| n4nd0 | blackburn: mmm I can be a bullfigther if you want | 21:01 |
| blackburn | n4nd0: yes bad boy I want it | 21:01 |
| n4nd0 | lol | 21:01 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata: install pidgin! :) | 21:02 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, you sure you have two horns? | 21:02 |
| n4nd0 | haha I hope not, otherwise I will seriously talk to my gf | 21:02 |
| @sonney2k | I think that is *the* acceptance criterion for a bull | 21:02 |
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| blackburn | n4nd0: do you feel horny? | 21:02 |
| cwidmer | hi guys | 21:03 |
| blackburn | and the mighty christian klaus! | 21:03 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, more like bullying maybe *SCNR* | 21:03 |
| @sonney2k | hi cwidmer! | 21:03 |
| @sonney2k | where is heiko? | 21:03 |
| cwidmer | "do you feel horny?" what's going on here, your minds in the gutter again ;)? | 21:03 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: :D | 21:03 |
| blackburn | it happens, cwidmer :( | 21:04 |
| cwidmer | haha | 21:04 |
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| @sonney2k | cwidmer, n4nd0 suggested a new nick bullfighter | 21:04 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, so I started a discussion about #horns | 21:05 |
| cwidmer | haha, alright | 21:05 |
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| @sonney2k | or better one missing... thats how it goes here | 21:05 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: you don't have to be sorry | 21:05 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:05 |
| @sonney2k | let me email heiko | 21:05 |
| blackburn | and explain my bad behavior | 21:05 |
| @sonney2k | hei"the brain"ko | 21:05 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, n4nd0, alexlovesdata1, cwidmer - could you use your shogun-toolbox.org addresses when posting on the mailinglist? | 21:06 |
| n4nd0 | sure, I forgot that I have one | 21:06 |
| blackburn | sure but forgive me if I forget to set right mail | 21:06 |
| cwidmer | phew, I'll take a look | 21:06 |
| cwidmer | too many email addresses already | 21:07 |
| cwidmer | mpg, tu-berlin, two at msk | 21:07 |
| cwidmer | but should be ok | 21:07 |
| cwidmer | at least this one will stick around for a while | 21:07 |
| blackburn | FOR EVER | 21:07 |
| cwidmer | not like mpg which deletes our account not long after you leave | 21:07 |
| cwidmer | hehe | 21:07 |
| @sonney2k | it helps people to realize who is wildly guessing :) | 21:08 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, as long as the domain exists it will be there | 21:08 |
| cwidmer | fair enough | 21:08 |
| alexlovesdata1 | will do | 21:09 |
| @sonney2k | anyway heiko has vanished... no idea where he is | 21:09 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, do you still have technical problems doing so? | 21:09 |
| alexlovesdata1 | for sending email as shogun-toolbox.org? have'nt tried yet | 21:10 |
| alexlovesdata1 | will try now | 21:10 |
| alexlovesdata1 | via my tu-berlin account | 21:10 |
| @sonney2k | ok | 21:10 |
| blackburn | multiple emails is a pure evil | 21:10 |
| @sonney2k | so about the workshop - I assume everybody here will come right? | 21:10 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, I have ~100 addresses... | 21:10 |
| blackburn | what? | 21:10 |
| blackburn | 100? | 21:10 |
| @sonney2k | lower bound :D | 21:11 |
| cwidmer | I'll come if I'm in Germany, but that's the current plan | 21:11 |
| cwidmer | will know for sure in a few months | 21:11 |
| alexlovesdata1 | for me the same as for cwidmer | 21:11 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, I guess gunnar will be there too - others of mkcc? | 21:11 |
| alexlovesdata1 | intend to come | 21:11 |
| blackburn | I'll come if I am not killed by a bus | 21:11 |
| cwidmer | maybe marius will come, not sure if he's attending ismb | 21:12 |
| @sonney2k | we need to somehow get some headcount | 21:12 |
| cwidmer | might be a good idea for him to get into bio | 21:12 |
| n4nd0 | I will come! | 21:12 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, poor marius | 21:12 |
| cwidmer | Iol | 21:12 |
| cwidmer | it'll take time | 21:12 |
| cwidmer | fun to have him around, though | 21:12 |
| cwidmer | anyway, I could imagine that philipp and andre might want to come | 21:13 |
| cwidmer | but only if they are at ISMB anyway | 21:13 |
| cwidmer | don't think any of the new students will make it this year, but who knows | 21:13 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, ok | 21:13 |
| alexlovesdata1 | @sonney2k: email via shogun-toolbox.org as a second identity or does it have a mailserver on it? | 21:13 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, second identity only | 21:14 |
| @sonney2k | so to get an estimate of the headcount - what do we do? | 21:14 |
| @sonney2k | I mean not that we are just 10 people but ask for c-base mainhall which could easily fit 80 | 21:14 |
| cwidmer | so everyone except alex and I here will come for sure? | 21:14 |
| @sonney2k | my thoughts on this a) set up some submission form on shogun-toolbox.org | 21:15 |
| cwidmer | I mean, we haven't started seriously advertising yet, the number could go up, depending on the "progam" | 21:15 |
| @sonney2k | b) simple write email to register - which would need somebody (not me) to take care of the people | 21:16 |
| blackburn | google docs forms should help here | 21:16 |
| alexlovesdata1 | what means to take care = have a spreadsheet of participants? | 21:16 |
| blackburn | I can manage this list | 21:16 |
| cwidmer | blackburn, that should do | 21:16 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, that and send a - thanks email and answer all the questions to come | 21:17 |
| cwidmer | just a simple sheet with a form front-end | 21:17 |
| alexlovesdata1 | answer silly questions about berlin i can do | 21:17 |
| blackburn | I will have a lot of silly questions about berlin | 21:18 |
| cwidmer | just send everyone to berghain | 21:18 |
| alexlovesdata1 | your telephone lady Alex is patient :) | 21:18 |
| @sonney2k | so alexlovesdata1, blackburn - we generate some mailinglist sth like workshop@shogun-toolbox.org | 21:18 |
| blackburn | right | 21:18 |
| @sonney2k | register everyone here and you take care of saying thanks? | 21:18 |
| alexlovesdata1 | ok | 21:18 |
| @sonney2k | and answer questions right? | 21:18 |
| alexlovesdata1 | ok | 21:18 |
| blackburn | hmm wait | 21:19 |
| @sonney2k | issue of course is that this mailinglist will be public and we will get spam | 21:19 |
| @sonney2k | ? | 21:19 |
| blackburn | I think thanks should be in personal | 21:19 |
| alexlovesdata1 | cant be worse than the gsoc mentors list | 21:19 |
| alexlovesdata1 | maybe we should make clear that we cannot provide invitation letters to visa | 21:19 |
| blackburn | haha yes | 21:20 |
| blackburn | I'd need one | 21:20 |
| alexlovesdata1 | this happens for some low-fee conferences | 21:20 |
| alexlovesdata1 | you are exceptional :D | 21:20 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, what I mean is - they write an email to workshop@ ... and you reply CC'ing workshop@ | 21:20 |
| blackburn | so I'll go as a tourist :) | 21:20 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: ah okay right | 21:20 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, why can we not provide invitation letters for visa? | 21:21 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: can you provide such letters? | 21:21 |
| @sonney2k | I've done this for one of the workshop's I was organizing | 21:21 |
| @sonney2k | it is just some email | 21:21 |
| blackburn | it is really relevant for me :D | 21:21 |
| alexlovesdata1 | for blackburn it is ok | 21:21 |
| blackburn | as I am located in the third world country | 21:22 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, there is some draft for e.g. google mentor summit on the gsoc site | 21:22 |
| alexlovesdata1 | but you will get people from non-eu countries ask for an invitation letter ... I am not sure who is responsible if they do not take the flight back (!) | 21:22 |
| blackburn | haha | 21:22 |
| blackburn | haha that's funny | 21:22 |
| alexlovesdata1 | no, just a second-world democracy :D | 21:22 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: oh democracy, I have seen that word somewhere before :D | 21:23 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, we don't even have that word in germany :P | 21:23 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: good old song of sonney2k | 21:23 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, so fine with that? | 21:23 |
| blackburn | blackburn: with what? | 21:23 |
| @sonney2k | registration | 21:24 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k, so have you guys decided on the format yet? I guess there will be some tutorials etc? hackathons? unconference? | 21:24 |
| blackburn | workshop@ ? | 21:24 |
| @sonney2k | yes | 21:24 |
| blackburn | yes I like that | 21:24 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, please take over the lead brb | 21:24 |
| alexlovesdata1 | the point is sonne, I have invited people personally already, and I know that I would be personally liable with abschiebekosten if they do not return ... | 21:24 |
| blackburn | cwidmer: that's next on the list I guess | 21:24 |
| cwidmer | ok | 21:24 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: abschiebekosten? | 21:24 |
| cwidmer | well first of all, it'll be a two day thing, correct? | 21:24 |
| blackburn | that sounds like you was set on fire | 21:25 |
| blackburn | or killed with an axe | 21:25 |
| cwidmer | we could set up a list of proposals for tutorials | 21:25 |
| cwidmer | I'm willing to talk about some of my stuff, either Multitask stuff or sequence analysis | 21:25 |
| cwidmer | share some code | 21:25 |
| cwidmer | we could also collect proposals for hackathons | 21:25 |
| cwidmer | who else would be willing to give a talk, blackburn? | 21:26 |
| blackburn | cwidmer: I am willing to talk for sure | 21:26 |
| blackburn | if you get my russian accent | 21:26 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:26 |
| cwidmer | sure, it'll just be more convincing that you know what you're talking about | 21:26 |
| cwidmer | ;) | 21:27 |
| n4nd0 | I would like to talk too! I could maybe present the SO framework | 21:27 |
| cwidmer | that'd be awesome! | 21:27 |
| blackburn | well I can talk about dimensionality reduction, SURPRISED? :D | 21:27 |
| alexlovesdata1 | do we have a talk about code structures in general? | 21:27 |
| cwidmer | it has it's place btw | 21:27 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, one day! | 21:28 |
| cwidmer | http://peekaboo-vision.blogspot.com/2013/01/machine-learning-cheat-sheet-for-scikit.html | 21:28 |
| cwidmer | see? ;) | 21:28 |
| alexlovesdata1 | something like: adding some functionality tutorial / or something on the implicite code styles imposed by sonne on us ;) | 21:28 |
| cwidmer | under 'just looking' and 'pca doesn't work' ;) | 21:28 |
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| heiko2 | Hi all | 21:29 |
| blackburn | so here heiko2 comes | 21:29 |
| cwidmer | hi heiko | 21:29 |
| heiko2 | Very sorry for the delay, I was stuck in the London tube without any signal | 21:29 |
| blackburn | haha | 21:29 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k, so it's two days? | 21:29 |
| n4nd0 | hello heiko2 | 21:29 |
| heiko2 | *reading channel logs* | 21:29 |
| blackburn | cwidmer: I am afraid one | 21:30 |
| cwidmer | yikes | 21:30 |
| cwidmer | that's dense | 21:30 |
| alexlovesdata1 | suggestion: if there are much more talks and weather is promising we can have a talk sit-in in a park | 21:30 |
| cwidmer | should we make an optional second one for hackathons and internal discussion? | 21:30 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, *ONE* day | 21:30 |
| alexlovesdata1 | we just need a sufficiently strong beamer for that | 21:30 |
| cwidmer | good idea | 21:31 |
| cwidmer | tempelhof ;) | 21:31 |
| alexlovesdata1 | that would be an unofifcial 2nd day ;) | 21:31 |
| alexlovesdata1 | could be | 21:31 |
| blackburn | in sonney2k's flat | 21:31 |
| n4nd0 | :D | 21:31 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, you could camp in the garden :) | 21:31 |
| cwidmer | is there a room at TU we could use for this? | 21:31 |
| cwidmer | in the fancy new building? | 21:32 |
| @sonney2k | ^ alexlovesdata1 | 21:32 |
| cwidmer | or even the old one ;) | 21:32 |
| blackburn | we can party in the old broken TU | 21:32 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:32 |
| alexlovesdata1 | for the 2nd day? | 21:32 |
| @sonney2k | yes | 21:32 |
| cwidmer | yes | 21:32 |
| cwidmer | 2nd day | 21:32 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, the logs only go until 2015, did anything else happen in these 15 minutes? :) | 21:32 |
| alexlovesdata1 | I could try to find out | 21:32 |
| @sonney2k | that would be saturday though | 21:32 |
| alexlovesdata1 | will find out about this | 21:32 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, please do | 21:32 |
| cwidmer | ok, great | 21:32 |
| cwidmer | now for the main event - what do you have in mind? | 21:33 |
| cwidmer | mainly tutorials? | 21:33 |
| cwidmer | wake up :P | 21:33 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, I am totally open | 21:33 |
| n4nd0 | cwidmer: what other ideas could be? | 21:34 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, heiko2, wiking_, your opinons | 21:34 |
| cwidmer | panel discussion | 21:34 |
| alexlovesdata1 | in the evening something party like for networking ?? | 21:34 |
| cwidmer | big data blah, the next big thing in ML, the future of shogun | 21:34 |
| cwidmer | yes | 21:35 |
| cwidmer | that's critical | 21:35 |
| heiko2 | I would say tutorials should be in there | 21:35 |
| @sonney2k | (workshop's I've organized where usually like talk talks poster / (panel) discussion - lots of breaks) | 21:35 |
| cwidmer | we have to have a nice evening event | 21:35 |
| @sonney2k | maybe we can do some grill event in the evening | 21:35 |
| @sonney2k | when the weather is nice | 21:35 |
| alexlovesdata1 | tutorials + a break for a poster session? | 21:35 |
| cwidmer | will they kick us out at some time or do we have cbase all night? | 21:35 |
| blackburn | cwidmer: I'd like to present my vision of future of shogun with some discussion | 21:35 |
| heiko2 | barbecue is a very nice idea :) | 21:35 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, we have c-base (not exclusively) from 11-19hrs | 21:36 |
| cwidmer | yes | 21:36 |
| @sonney2k | it is berlin summer, c-base is at river spree | 21:36 |
| @sonney2k | so we could do something outside | 21:36 |
| cwidmer | sounds great | 21:36 |
| @sonney2k | but there will of course be others lurking around :) | 21:36 |
| cwidmer | we should have a plan B though | 21:36 |
| blackburn | get drunk | 21:36 |
| blackburn | that's B | 21:36 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:36 |
| cwidmer | no, that's part of plans A-Z | 21:36 |
| cwidmer | questions is where | 21:37 |
| alexlovesdata1 | so we need tutorials+ poster session with break + panel discussion + a park grill in the evning? | 21:37 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, exactly | 21:37 |
| heiko2 | poster sessions? | 21:37 |
| heiko2 | which posters?`_= | 21:37 |
| heiko2 | :) | 21:37 |
| cwidmer | not sure about posters | 21:37 |
| @sonney2k | one more question - how serious do we want this event to be? | 21:37 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, about certain algorithms we have in shogun | 21:37 |
| @sonney2k | gory details | 21:37 |
| @sonney2k | we don't have to... | 21:38 |
| alexlovesdata1 | people may want to talk about their scientific work with the posters?? | 21:38 |
| cwidmer | how about a session where people pitch questions to the shogun/guest audience and get some feedback how they could approach their problem... this only works if there are "practitioners" in the audience | 21:38 |
| alexlovesdata1 | as a posotive side effect? | 21:38 |
| @sonney2k | brb | 21:38 |
| n4nd0 | cwidmer: I think that is a good idea | 21:38 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, I think the question is how many people from "outside" will come, so if most people are well known, it doesnt have to be superserious, if others are joining a more serious setting could be usefull | 21:38 |
| n4nd0 | something more oriented to the people coming to visit to affect shogun with their suggestions and ideas | 21:39 |
| cwidmer | I guess this depends on the kind of people that sign up for this, if it's ML scientists like most of us or people using shogun as a technology | 21:39 |
| heiko2 | maybe a good mix is a good idea | 21:39 |
| heiko2 | so there could be some technical tutorials | 21:39 |
| cwidmer | yes, we should definitely keep a list of ideas and have people do some voting before | 21:39 |
| cwidmer | yes | 21:39 |
| heiko2 | how to install /external dependencies etc | 21:40 |
| heiko2 | maybe we should come up with a list here and put this online for voting | 21:40 |
| heiko2 | good idea | 21:40 |
| cwidmer | I really like the SO tutorial idea, also blackburn could give a nice tutorial on either dim-reduct or L1-MTL | 21:40 |
| blackburn | yeah | 21:40 |
| heiko2 | An introduction on how to hack shogun would also be cool to cast new developers | 21:41 |
| heiko2 | And I think some examples on how to use shogun for std tasks would be cool | 21:41 |
| cwidmer | yes | 21:42 |
| blackburn | yeah sure | 21:42 |
| cwidmer | this would be a basic shogun tutorial | 21:42 |
| cwidmer | something for our beloved dictator, maybe? | 21:42 |
| cwidmer | ;) | 21:42 |
| heiko2 | I know many people that are afraid of using shogun because it is complicated | 21:42 |
| cwidmer | I set up this doc to collect ideas | 21:42 |
| cwidmer | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gxetahar27rkcgE5cdUjdtK49ulwXsfZ9FStGJXyBVw/edit | 21:42 |
| alexlovesdata1 | can we do a talk about successful applications of shogun? do we have some material about works where shogun was used for excellent something? | 21:43 |
| blackburn | hah | 21:43 |
| blackburn | well | 21:43 |
| heiko2 | Classifier evaluation tutorial would also be cool (x-validation, gradient descent on error functions ...) | 21:43 |
| blackburn | heiko2: that sounds like something for you | 21:44 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, yes maybe | 21:44 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, I hereby declare you to be the program committee | 21:45 |
| cwidmer | done | 21:45 |
| heiko2 | hacking shogun (create new classes, what tools exist, how to create new interfaces... ) | 21:45 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: do you want to talk about how do you see future of shogun? | 21:45 |
| heiko2 | anybody knows how many non-German people will come? | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, maybe in a panel discussion with other topics? | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, no | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, we don't know who / how many will come | 21:46 |
| blackburn | we should avoid german or I don't get a word :D | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, we first need some kind of program / plan | 21:46 |
| heiko2 | so I guess english will be the language :) | 21:46 |
| @sonney2k | sure | 21:46 |
| n4nd0 | yeah same here about German hehe | 21:46 |
| alexlovesdata1 | is the date close to some mach learn/computvis/datamining/bioscience conferemce? | 21:47 |
| heiko2 | I always love it when a group of German people is talking english to each other with these massicve German accent :) | 21:47 |
| @sonney2k | German is stupid anyways | 21:47 |
| heiko2 | what? | 21:47 |
| @sonney2k | anyway, do we want external submissions | 21:47 |
| @sonney2k | as in talks / posters / whatever from others? | 21:47 |
| cwidmer | alexlovesdata1, there is ISMB | 21:47 |
| heiko2 | it would be ultra cool to have some people that use shogun for science and talk about it | 21:48 |
| blackburn | yeah | 21:48 |
| blackburn | is there any? | 21:48 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:48 |
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| @sonney2k | like call for talks / contributions / or even some special issue in some journal... | 21:48 |
| alexlovesdata1 | talks+poster should be peer-reviewed | 21:49 |
| alexlovesdata1 | at least the talks | 21:49 |
| cwidmer | heiko2, shogun is very commonly used for bioological sequence analysis | 21:49 |
| alexlovesdata1 | in the sense that we can check whether it makes sense ... ever reviewed non-sense submissions to ml conferences? | 21:50 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer, yeah, so this would be cool to have explained by somebody | 21:50 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, some voting among us should be sufficient | 21:50 |
| alexlovesdata1 | @sonne agree | 21:50 |
| heiko2 | on what should we have this public vote? | 21:51 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, heiko2 - we should actually found some shogun e.V. at this event! | 21:51 |
| heiko2 | maybe on the algorithms inside shogun introduced? | 21:51 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, great idea! | 21:51 |
| blackburn | what is e.V.? | 21:52 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, shogun foundation | 21:52 |
| blackburn | what is it for? | 21:52 |
| alexlovesdata1 | e.V. = eingetragener Verein | 21:52 |
| heiko2 | we are enough people | 21:52 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, to act as entity | 21:52 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: oh you helped me a lot :D | 21:52 |
| alexlovesdata1 | non-profit foundation by german law | 21:52 |
| blackburn | eingetragener Verein is much more digestable for me :D | 21:52 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, to gain tax saving for example | 21:52 |
| @sonney2k | e.g. shogun foundation could get money / pay tax etc | 21:53 |
| alexlovesdata1 | i helped you to google for it, blackburn ;) | 21:53 |
| blackburn | I see | 21:53 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: jk | 21:53 |
| @sonney2k | so how does the program look like | 21:53 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, ^ | 21:53 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer, if many biology people coming, I could introduce the statistical hypothesis testing framework, thats something for high-throughput data | 21:53 |
| cwidmer | sounds good | 21:54 |
| cwidmer | so when do we start? | 21:54 |
| cwidmer | what time | 21:54 |
| @sonney2k | 11-19 | 21:54 |
| cwidmer | hmm, how about lunch | 21:55 |
| cwidmer | order pizza? | 21:55 |
| heiko2 | BBQ! | 21:55 |
| cwidmer | in the evening, right? | 21:55 |
| n4nd0 | BBQ is more evening oriented | 21:55 |
| n4nd0 | yeah | 21:55 |
| heiko2 | well ok | 21:55 |
| cwidmer | we need food for lunch to fuel us for all that ML | 21:55 |
| n4nd0 | pizza would be fine I think | 21:56 |
| heiko2 | Is the c-base in an area where there is a lot of street food? | 21:56 |
| cwidmer | shouldn't be the first time people order pizza to cbase | 21:56 |
| alexlovesdata1 | pizza = how stereotypical ;) | 21:56 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer haha :) | 21:56 |
| cwidmer | haha | 21:56 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, not a lot but it is close to alexanderplatz | 21:56 |
| @sonney2k | like one train station away | 21:56 |
| @sonney2k | so should not be an issue | 21:56 |
| cwidmer | I think it's better to have food there | 21:57 |
| cwidmer | otherwise it'll take too much time | 21:57 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, so not mnuch travelling for good lunch, then we could just organise a pizza order and everyone who is not into stereotypes just eats out | 21:57 |
| @sonney2k | ordering pizza would work sure | 21:57 |
| cwidmer | maybe we could have a 30min window to start eating and then merge this into the panel discussion | 21:57 |
| n4nd0 | good idea | 21:58 |
| @sonney2k | 1 hour break | 21:58 |
| @sonney2k | and no session above 1:30 w/o break | 21:58 |
| blackburn | in other way we get dead men | 21:58 |
| blackburn | :D | 21:58 |
| heiko2 | or even only 1h | 21:58 |
| heiko2 | since there is so much stuff | 21:59 |
| blackburn | that's going to be quite dense | 21:59 |
| cwidmer | so at cbase, it's safe to assume that there will be space for everyone to set up their laptop, right? | 21:59 |
| heiko2 | oh, what about our tutorial project? | 21:59 |
| blackburn | heiko2: 2nd day? | 21:59 |
| heiko2 | We should do something with that! | 21:59 |
| alexlovesdata1 | the question is rather: what happens to the w-lan if 100 people go online with laptop + smartphone | 21:59 |
| blackburn | or third? | 21:59 |
| alexlovesdata1 | some conferences crumble under that load | 21:59 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, wireless powerplugs are a non-issue | 21:59 |
| cwidmer | so who ever wanted to could to some ipython notebook style tutorial to code along | 21:59 |
| cwidmer | sonne2k more concerned about tables | 22:00 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, 100 people is certainly an upper limit :) | 22:00 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, also a non issue | 22:00 |
| @sonney2k | not exactly that comfortable but will work | 22:01 |
| cwidmer | good, that answers my question :) | 22:01 |
| cwidmer | ok, so what is a good time slot for tutorials? | 22:02 |
| cwidmer | min 30min, I'd say | 22:02 |
| cwidmer | max 1hr | 22:02 |
| heiko2 | agreed | 22:02 |
| cwidmer | maybe something like 45min including discussion? | 22:02 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, tutorials are usually first / early | 22:02 |
| cwidmer | so we do two tutorials and then coffee break | 22:02 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, or one in the morning one after lunch | 22:03 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, since I assume we have no keynotes right? | 22:03 |
| cwidmer | well | 22:03 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, or does gunnar want to talk about sth like ML in general? | 22:03 |
| cwidmer | should we try to invite speakers? | 22:03 |
| cwidmer | I think he wouldn't mind | 22:03 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, we could have *one* very broad ML talk | 22:04 |
| cwidmer | feel like doing that? | 22:04 |
| @sonney2k | to show off what one can do | 22:04 |
| cwidmer | we could ask Gunnar for sure | 22:04 |
| alexlovesdata1 | better talks about future and specific applications fields ? | 22:04 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, gunnar did this lots of times and he is good in doing this | 22:04 |
| cwidmer | yes | 22:04 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k cwidmer, he also might attract more people to come since well-known | 22:05 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, alright so some tutorial I (someone willing to co-do this cwidmer you?) should give and gunnar some ML overview | 22:05 |
| @sonney2k | ? | 22:05 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, I think we should have some call for contributions | 22:06 |
| @sonney2k | I mean some scientists might not be allowed to go w/o presenting | 22:06 |
| cwidmer | sure, I'm willing to help out | 22:07 |
| cwidmer | good point | 22:07 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, this would be cool, I could even advertise this here at UCL - they have big travel funds | 22:07 |
| cwidmer | however, keep in mind that there is a chance I'll be stuck in the US for some reason | 22:07 |
| alexlovesdata1 | so there we are back for the question about invited talks and a poster session? | 22:08 |
| cwidmer | I think this is a strong argument for posters | 22:08 |
| alexlovesdata1 | I mean invited talks could be held by people who are somewhat higher ranked | 22:08 |
| cwidmer | why don't we just combine the poster session with the (beginning of) the social event | 22:08 |
| alexlovesdata1 | and can talk even about general ML without saying blabla like gunnar | 22:08 |
| n4nd0 | I can say it also around here at KTH, I know at least a postdoc who has used shogun for his research in robotics | 22:08 |
| alexlovesdata1 | and posters for the others? | 22:09 |
| alexlovesdata1 | the poster session can be also at the end of the lunch break | 22:09 |
| alexlovesdata1 | to avoid losses from food seekers getting lost in Berlin | 22:09 |
| alexlovesdata1 | alternative: in a longer afternoon break (30-45 minutes?) | 22:10 |
| cwidmer | both possible | 22:11 |
| cwidmer | I would probably vote for combining lunch with panel discussion and posters with drinking | 22:11 |
| cwidmer | :) | 22:11 |
| cwidmer | keeps discussions vivid | 22:11 |
| alexlovesdata1 | also a good idea ;) | 22:11 |
| blackburn | I can post something about this event at biggest russian ML website | 22:11 |
| blackburn | does that make sense? | 22:11 |
| n4nd0 | lunch with panel discussion sounds like a good idea | 22:11 |
| @sonney2k | once we have some program ready we should send out a call for contributions / announcement to all relevant places | 22:12 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, hmmh I don't know. can you talk while eating? | 22:13 |
| @sonney2k | panelists will starve... | 22:13 |
| heiko2 | good point, maybe only half overlapping | 22:13 |
| cwidmer | ah, btw | 22:14 |
| cwidmer | we could try to have companies sponsor lunch, drinks and dinner | 22:14 |
| cwidmer | not sure if ccc will kick us out then | 22:14 |
| cwidmer | ;) | 22:15 |
| blackburn | companies like? | 22:15 |
| blackburn | microsoft? :D | 22:15 |
| alexlovesdata1 | the german secret service (BND) :D | 22:15 |
| cwidmer | google, ms, amazon | 22:15 |
| cwidmer | amazon would be good | 22:15 |
| cwidmer | considering they are starting big in berlin | 22:15 |
| blackburn | yeah it could become something special | 22:15 |
| n4nd0 | sonney2k: like the idea that cwidmer said before, half an hour for lunch and later we start the panel, people can continue eating pizza then if they want so | 22:15 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer I like the idea of having these companies involved | 22:16 |
| heiko2 | shogun gets more attention by them this way | 22:17 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k | 22:17 |
| @sonney2k | brb | 22:17 |
| cwidmer | how about tomtom? | 22:17 |
| blackburn | google knows us | 22:17 |
| blackburn | hah tomtom | 22:17 |
| cwidmer | I'm pretty sure we get google funding for some pizza or something, maybe even a best poster price | 22:18 |
| alexlovesdata1 | SAP? | 22:18 |
| cwidmer | sure | 22:18 |
| alexlovesdata1 | best poster price sounds good! | 22:18 |
| heiko2 | not sap! | 22:18 |
| heiko2 | they did a workshop at UCL a while ago and this stuff sucks so much | 22:18 |
| cwidmer | heh | 22:18 |
| heiko2 | oh wait, this was SAS :) | 22:19 |
| alexlovesdata1 | I mean the idea of getting companies in it is that they might carry away some developers? | 22:19 |
| blackburn | hah sas sap what's the difference, right heiko2? | 22:19 |
| alexlovesdata1 | four girls carry away blackburn ;) | 22:19 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, hehe :) | 22:19 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, I meant the data guys | 22:20 |
| blackburn | I am afraid I will be with my gf :D | 22:20 |
| alexlovesdata1 | if you drink she might quadruplicate ;) | 22:20 |
| heiko2 | had one of them present sas at UCL, and the guy had no idea about anything, and the code editor was in comic-sans | 22:20 |
| blackburn | oh that's the good shot alexlovesdata1 | 22:20 |
| blackburn | heiko2: haha lol | 22:20 |
| blackburn | heiko2: no idea about anything? what did he present? | 22:21 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, didnt you once tell me you explained SVM to your girl? :) | 22:21 |
| blackburn | heiko2: she knows svms | 22:21 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, klicking buttons | 22:21 |
| blackburn | heiko2: her thesis was about multiclass svms :D | 22:21 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, well then she is welcome :) | 22:21 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, wow :) | 22:21 |
| blackburn | some comparison but she knows something about that | 22:22 |
| heiko2 | you should have her programing for shogun | 22:22 |
| heiko2 | she could join with sonney2k's kids :) | 22:22 |
| blackburn | I could encourage her becoming gsoc student but this could be unfair | 22:22 |
| blackburn | sounds like corrupcy :D | 22:22 |
| n4nd0 | y? | 22:22 |
| n4nd0 | haha | 22:22 |
| blackburn | corruption? | 22:23 |
| blackburn | the second word is better I guess | 22:23 |
| blackburn | or 'the thing that happen in russia everywhere' may be? | 22:23 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:23 |
| alexlovesdata1 | maybe we should catch all the ideas off this chat logs on Monday? | 22:24 |
| alexlovesdata1 | my gf went to bed sleeping is a seemingly pissing mood :| | 22:24 |
| blackburn | that could mean you should go too :D | 22:24 |
| alexlovesdata1 | yes ... :( | 22:25 |
| alexlovesdata1 | nerd: programming instead of copul... | 22:25 |
| cwidmer | ok, there is a prelimiary schedule in the google doc | 22:25 |
| cwidmer | I think it's a bit too passive at the momemt | 22:25 |
| blackburn | yeah | 22:26 |
| blackburn | but it compresses some ideas | 22:26 |
| cwidmer | I'm thinking we should add some unconference-style session in between | 22:26 |
| cwidmer | question is how we decide on this | 22:26 |
| blackburn | dance benchmark | 22:26 |
| cwidmer | the voting should take place before the meeting | 22:26 |
| blackburn | benchmark sounds like ML | 22:26 |
| cwidmer | otherwise it'll take up too much time | 22:26 |
| alexlovesdata1 | hack in for detecting sad vs happy faces from participants taken via cam? | 22:27 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k, are there small rooms available like at GSoC mentor summit? | 22:27 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: and this sounds like opencv | 22:27 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer, we could have a challenge for the participants | 22:28 |
| heiko2 | like: here is a dataset, use shogun to get good results | 22:28 |
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| heiko2 | have a price paid by tomtom | 22:28 |
| cwidmer | yeah, good idea | 22:28 |
| blackburn | haha tomtom doesn't know they have to pay for that yet ! | 22:28 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:28 |
| cwidmer | and we could release this upfront | 22:29 |
| cwidmer | and have the winner give a talk | 22:29 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, will tell them :) | 22:29 |
| cwidmer | but | 22:29 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer, thats also cool | 22:29 |
| cwidmer | someone will need to organize something interesting | 22:29 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, well c-base is a starship | 22:29 |
| cwidmer | that takes time | 22:29 |
| alexlovesdata1 | a poster price is more attractive for the majority I guess | 22:29 |
| heiko2 | But also thought of how to get things a bit more interactive | 22:29 |
| @sonney2k | one seminar room / one main hall | 22:29 |
| heiko2 | maybe we could have just an hour where everyone can ask developers questions or something like this | 22:29 |
| @sonney2k | but we get the main hall only if we have lots of participants | 22:30 |
| @sonney2k | say ~50 | 22:30 |
| cwidmer | ah only two rooms | 22:31 |
| cwidmer | hmm | 22:31 |
| cwidmer | well, if the weather is nice, two sessions could go outside | 22:31 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, actually I would love to hear about any applications of shogun to real world problems... | 22:32 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, do you plan for 500+ people/ | 22:32 |
| @sonney2k | ? | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | yeah, that could go into the applications slot | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | nah | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | unconference | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | gsoc mentor summit style, but only a small session | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | for example | 22:32 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, handshaking event? | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | just to get people to talk more and listen less | 22:32 |
| cwidmer | hahaha | 22:33 |
| cwidmer | no. | 22:33 |
| heiko2 | cwidmer, what do you mean gsoc mentor summit style? | 22:33 |
| cwidmer | ;) | 22:33 |
| cwidmer | well, why not, but you need to organize | 22:33 |
| cwidmer | I would feel silly | 22:33 |
| alexlovesdata1 | for that we have poster session + evening event?? | 22:33 |
| cwidmer | unconference style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference | 22:33 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, cwidmer, what about an academic speed-dating, like everyone shakes hand of everyone and introduces oneself in 2 mins? | 22:33 |
| blackburn | hahah | 22:34 |
| heiko2 | this way, everybody would at least talk once to everybody | 22:34 |
| heiko2 | else | 22:34 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, looking at the schedule | 22:34 |
| @sonney2k | I somehow think the panel discussion should be at the end | 22:34 |
| cwidmer | maybe we could start the unconference proposals upfront (via mailing list) and continue in coffee breaks | 22:34 |
| n4nd0 | it sounds funny this academic speed-dating :D but it could turn out to be nice | 22:35 |
| heiko2 | n4nd0, I did this quite a few times and it always was nice | 22:35 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, I like this a lot? | 22:35 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, when is this usually done? | 22:35 |
| heiko2 | alway got some emails afterwards: "hey you were the guy doing XYZ which I found interested" | 22:35 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, in the beginning after introduction | 22:35 |
| heiko2 | even got one little project out of this | 22:36 |
| heiko2 | clustering bird sounds from a biologist with MMD :) | 22:36 |
| blackburn | doesn't that require 2*(N(N-1)/2) minutes? | 22:36 |
| cwidmer | haha lol | 22:36 |
| cwidmer | shake hands would be the 10sec variant of that | 22:37 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, the way its usually done is via two circles of people, and the outer one rotates | 22:37 |
| cwidmer | which we did at gsoc, which turned out to be fun | 22:37 |
| heiko2 | no introducing oneself is the point | 22:37 |
| heiko2 | and one can stop after 30 mins, since its exhausting | 22:37 |
| heiko2 | but you meet 75% of the people | 22:37 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, can you put the schedule as a post under http://shogun-toolbox.org/page/Events/workshop2013 once we are done and send out an email to the mailinglist to open it for discussion? | 22:37 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, cwidmer, blackburn, I think we should in general get people talking to each other, this lots of positive effects. And usually ML nerds dont talk to much to each other :) | 22:38 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, full ack | 22:39 |
| blackburn | agree | 22:39 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k, sure, have to check how to post there though | 22:39 |
| @sonney2k | I like the speeddating thing | 22:39 |
| heiko2 | we could also make some groups of people use shogun on the spot to solve some easy problem | 22:39 |
| blackburn | I think I will talk a lot after two vodkas | 22:39 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:39 |
| @sonney2k | lets do it at the beginning! | 22:39 |
| cwidmer | heiko2 yes, true | 22:39 |
| heiko2 | so that people actually work together | 22:39 |
| heiko2 | at least a bit | 22:39 |
| @sonney2k | and then I would want gunnar to give a general ML intro | 22:39 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, but some people might be scared by a drunk Russian :D | 22:40 |
| @sonney2k | and then some user contributed talks | 22:40 |
| cwidmer | that's why we need sponsored cocktails as social catalyser | 22:40 |
| @sonney2k | and then break and then maybe shogun tutorial | 22:40 |
| @sonney2k | and then user contributed / turial but panel discussions at the *end* | 22:40 |
| cwidmer | feel free to shuffle sessions around, its at the bottom of the document | 22:41 |
| cwidmer | however, I think tutorials should be longer than 15min | 22:41 |
| cwidmer | you can say close to nothing in 15min | 22:41 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, sure | 22:41 |
| @sonney2k | no < 15 minutes stuff | 22:41 |
| alexlovesdata1 | tutorials should be 30-45 minutes | 22:41 |
| heiko2 | maybe even the 15 should be 20 | 22:42 |
| @sonney2k | if we have posters spotlight session | 22:42 |
| alexlovesdata1 | maybe application stories in 15-30 minutes? | 22:42 |
| cwidmer | I would like to alternate between interactive and passive | 22:42 |
| cwidmer | alex, sounds reasonable | 22:42 |
| @sonney2k | guys, our mailinglist has 234 subscribers (nice number btw :) | 22:42 |
| @sonney2k | so lets say we have 10 times more users | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | 1-2% come + some outsiders | 22:43 |
| blackburn | wow that's math | 22:43 |
| @sonney2k | so ~50 participants? | 22:43 |
| blackburn | haha we knew the answer | 22:43 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, I think that is a bit too optimistic | 22:44 |
| cwidmer | I think so, too | 22:44 |
| cwidmer | depends on our advertising, though | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, cwidmer what is your guess? | 22:44 |
| cwidmer | I would guess, core devs plus 30 | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | heiko2, for example a couple of people from berlin uni's will come | 22:44 |
| heiko2 | 30+- | 22:44 |
| heiko2 | same | 22:44 |
| cwidmer | but if all of us post to our university mailing lists etc | 22:44 |
| heiko2 | sonney2k, that would be cool | 22:44 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, core devs + 30? | 22:44 |
| cwidmer | we can push this up | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | so ~40 | 22:45 |
| cwidmer | no idea, really | 22:45 |
| cwidmer | hard to tell | 22:45 |
| blackburn | who added GPs? | 22:45 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:45 |
| heiko2 | me :) | 22:45 |
| blackburn | there is no one to talk about GPs | 22:45 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:45 |
| cwidmer | maybe even part of the CCC crowd will come | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, I know of one | 22:45 |
| @sonney2k | already | 22:45 |
| heiko2 | I could do this if somebody is ound | 22:45 |
| heiko2 | currently using them for work | 22:45 |
| blackburn | sure | 22:45 |
| heiko2 | and there are more | 22:45 |
| heiko2 | GPs is something that would be very cool to extend in order to get more statisticians on boards | 22:46 |
| heiko2 | especially once the R-bindings are working | 22:46 |
| cwidmer | I think oli stegle will be at ISMB | 22:46 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, you said you wanted alternating passive/active? | 22:46 |
| cwidmer | we can ask if he's willing to contribute tutorial | 22:46 |
| cwidmer | yes | 22:47 |
| blackburn | heiko2: I think I should ask you a few questions about GPs later | 22:47 |
| @sonney2k | but what active do we have except panel discussion? | 22:47 |
| cwidmer | to postpone the passing out of people | 22:47 |
| cwidmer | well, the unconference session | 22:47 |
| cwidmer | could be one | 22:47 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, sure, if you are not asking for "how to make them fast" | 22:47 |
| cwidmer | and poster session | 22:47 |
| blackburn | heiko2: hah but predictions are fast, aren't they? | 22:47 |
| @sonney2k | panel discussion / poster session are sth people like to skip | 22:48 |
| cwidmer | not if there is food | 22:48 |
| cwidmer | :P | 22:48 |
| cwidmer | let me correct | 22:48 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, depends | 22:48 |
| cwidmer | free food | 22:48 |
| @sonney2k | or... there is sth going on | 22:48 |
| blackburn | good point about food :D | 22:48 |
| blackburn | may be we even get some homeless | 22:48 |
| heiko2 | if you do Bayesian hyperparameters than not, but lets postpone this | 22:48 |
| blackburn | because of that | 22:48 |
| @sonney2k | like some big shot giving a talk directly before | 22:48 |
| cwidmer | are there foosball tables? | 22:48 |
| @sonney2k | nope | 22:49 |
| cwidmer | the blackburn lookalike contenst should do | 22:49 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, yeah sure | 22:50 |
| blackburn | who is that fan of me who added this? | 22:50 |
| @sonney2k | I guess this is an easy win | 22:50 |
| @sonney2k | just bring your bear and vodka | 22:50 |
| heiko2 | blackburn, I am the fan :) | 22:50 |
| cwidmer | ok, what's the verdict? | 22:50 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k, feel free to shuffle around the program | 22:51 |
| cwidmer | as far as I'm concerned it's a good start | 22:51 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, shuffling | 22:51 |
| cwidmer | note that the actual times are all the way down | 22:52 |
| alexlovesdata1 | blackburn: don't homeless taste like old meat?? | 22:52 |
| cwidmer | ah | 22:52 |
| cwidmer | saw the new page | 22:52 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: I am scared | 22:52 |
| blackburn | have you ever taste homeless? | 22:52 |
| blackburn | ahh | 22:52 |
| blackburn | I got it | 22:52 |
| blackburn | :D | 22:52 |
| cwidmer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Geeking | 22:58 |
| cwidmer | ;) | 22:58 |
| cwidmer | as if a ml meeting wasn't nerdy enough already | 22:58 |
| blackburn | hah | 22:58 |
| n4nd0 | :D | 22:59 |
| heiko2 | hehe | 22:59 |
| alexlovesdata1 | anythinh organizational to be discussed yet? | 22:59 |
| blackburn | yeah - do we have anything still? | 22:59 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1's girl is waiting | 22:59 |
| n4nd0 | hehe nothing that I can think of | 23:00 |
| n4nd0 | we should probably organize some of the ideas mentioned | 23:00 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, what is that unconference thing? | 23:01 |
| cwidmer | well, gsoc style smaller meetings | 23:01 |
| @sonney2k | you want to have spontaneous discussions? | 23:01 |
| cwidmer | e.g. R-users shogun | 23:01 |
| cwidmer | or bio users | 23:01 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, but in smaller groups? | 23:02 |
| cwidmer | or industry applications | 23:02 |
| cwidmer | or whatever | 23:02 |
| cwidmer | yes | 23:02 |
| @sonney2k | so people should grab a coffee an meet in one corner etc? | 23:02 |
| cwidmer | yes | 23:02 |
| @sonney2k | alright makes sense - shouldn't be unconference style but we need some vote for subjects | 23:03 |
| @sonney2k | 30 mins right? | 23:03 |
| cwidmer | we could people have propose meetings upfront | 23:03 |
| cwidmer | and we put up whiteboards with topics on it | 23:03 |
| cwidmer | and people are asked to vote | 23:03 |
| cwidmer | and top scoring topics will be held | 23:03 |
| cwidmer | quite liked it at gsoc | 23:04 |
| cwidmer | and its easier for us as we are fewer | 23:04 |
| blackburn | I like that more than dating | 23:04 |
| cwidmer | could be 2x30 min | 23:04 |
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| cwidmer | blackburn, same here | 23:06 |
| blackburn | most of people can get shy | 23:06 |
| blackburn | or so | 23:06 |
| blackburn | and it takes a lot of time | 23:06 |
| cwidmer | I mean anyone can shake hands, but it takes time | 23:07 |
| cwidmer | ok guys, is there anything left to discuss? | 23:08 |
| @sonney2k | I think the speed dating is *very* helpful | 23:08 |
| @sonney2k | from gsoc | 23:08 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, yeah we need some plan how to proceed | 23:09 |
| @sonney2k | when to meet next for this | 23:09 |
| @sonney2k | and who does what by then | 23:09 |
| cwidmer | alright | 23:10 |
| blackburn | let me prepare the form | 23:10 |
| cwidmer | so have we finalized the program? | 23:10 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, not at all :/ | 23:10 |
| cwidmer | how shall we proceed? | 23:11 |
| @sonney2k | we cannot have poster session overlapping with bbq | 23:11 |
| cwidmer | why? | 23:11 |
| @sonney2k | or we have to start bbq at 18 hrs already | 23:11 |
| @sonney2k | I reserved from 11-19hrs | 23:11 |
| cwidmer | hmm | 23:11 |
| @sonney2k | so there might be sth else going on inside of c-base | 23:12 |
| cwidmer | any way to reserve longer? | 23:12 |
| @sonney2k | one important date | 23:12 |
| @sonney2k | I will present our 'program' to the c-base circle meeting on feb 1st | 23:12 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, maybe | 23:12 |
| @sonney2k | but we need to have it 'ready' for that | 23:12 |
| cwidmer | ok, how about we clarify our actual time constraints and then fix the final program | 23:13 |
| cwidmer | and we meet again in exactly a week from now | 23:13 |
| cwidmer | feb 2nd? | 23:14 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, I think we should have poster sessions in all breaks | 23:14 |
| @sonney2k | aka everyone can put up posters in the beginning | 23:14 |
| @sonney2k | and then when there are breaks | 23:14 |
| @sonney2k | people can discuss and go to posters | 23:14 |
| cwidmer | sure, maybe people can leave their posters up | 23:14 |
| @sonney2k | so we do a bit more breaks | 23:14 |
| cwidmer | sure, sounds good | 23:14 |
| @sonney2k | k | 23:15 |
| cwidmer | but it's also nice to kick off the sociel event at night | 23:15 |
| cwidmer | gets people talking | 23:15 |
| cwidmer | I think everyone else has passed out | 23:15 |
| cwidmer | blackburn, wake up! | 23:15 |
| blackburn | cwidmer: hah | 23:15 |
| blackburn | I am not asleep | 23:16 |
| cwidmer | where am I | 23:16 |
| cwidmer | sonney2k, should we then meet again on feb2nd for finalizing the structure? | 23:16 |
| blackburn | I am a little lost already | 23:17 |
| blackburn | should think about my ideas | 23:17 |
| blackburn | if I ever had any | 23:17 |
| cwidmer | I like the lookalike contenst | 23:17 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, blackburn look at the new program | 23:18 |
| cwidmer | should be fun | 23:18 |
| cwidmer | ;) | 23:18 |
| @sonney2k | I think it is quite OK now | 23:18 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: last page? | 23:18 |
| @sonney2k | yes | 23:18 |
| @sonney2k | saying new program or sth | 23:18 |
| blackburn | looks ok for me | 23:18 |
| blackburn | but quite dense | 23:19 |
| cwidmer | works for me | 23:19 |
| @sonney2k | not too dense actually | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | lots of breaks / fun events | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | but we can reduce user contributed talks | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | and have a longer break or longer user contrib talks | 23:20 |
| cwidmer | sounds good | 23:20 |
| @sonney2k | alright so much about the program | 23:21 |
| @sonney2k | we could use gsoc money for travel support / food | 23:22 |
| cwidmer | ok, sounds good | 23:22 |
| @sonney2k | so then last topic is who does what? | 23:22 |
| @sonney2k | and where is heiko? | 23:22 |
| cwidmer | are there any volunteers to contact companies about sponsoring? | 23:22 |
| blackburn | I expect sonney2k is the man :D | 23:23 |
| blackburn | but I can try too | 23:23 |
| cwidmer | heh, maybe not a bad idea | 23:23 |
| cwidmer | maybe this needs some seniority | 23:23 |
| blackburn | yes it does | 23:23 |
| @sonney2k | we need someone who updates the website with the current program proposal and posts this to the mailinglist | 23:24 |
| blackburn | I don't have any | 23:24 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:24 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, ok ok I am doing this | 23:24 |
| @sonney2k | the company / sponsoring stuff I mean | 23:24 |
| n4nd0 | I can update the website | 23:24 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, cool thanks! | 23:24 |
| cwidmer | ok, I can write to the mailing list | 23:24 |
| n4nd0 | :) | 23:24 |
| cwidmer | unless you just want to post the same stuff, then you can do it both in one go? | 23:25 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, just create a new post but write *draft* of the program clearly :D | 23:25 |
| @sonney2k | so once that is done and I talked to the c-base people for real | 23:25 |
| cwidmer | n4nd0, it's your call | 23:25 |
| @sonney2k | all that is left to do is the call for contributions/announcement email | 23:25 |
| n4nd0 | ok | 23:26 |
| @sonney2k | and then the real organization | 23:26 |
| @sonney2k | I mean bying food / ordering pizza / coffee right? | 23:26 |
| @sonney2k | and well volunteers to set up c-base in the morning for the event | 23:26 |
| n4nd0 | cwidmer: I can write it on the ml too ;) | 23:26 |
| blackburn | so nothing for me :D | 23:27 |
| cwidmer | n4nd0, ok thanks | 23:27 |
| @sonney2k | n4nd0, just tell cwidmer/me when you want a review of the post :) | 23:27 |
| cwidmer | so who is setting up the workshop mailling list, sonney2k? | 23:27 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, yes :/ | 23:27 |
| cwidmer | ok | 23:27 |
| @sonney2k | but it is easy :D | 23:27 |
| cwidmer | and blackburn will manage it | 23:27 |
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| n4nd0 | good plan | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | we don't have a task for heiko | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | give it to him :D | 23:28 |
| cwidmer | so will there be _TWO_ posts to the ml or one? | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, one with the draft for now | 23:28 |
| cwidmer | contributions/announcement email will be the same as prelimiary schedule, right? | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | ahh heiko - could you write a call for contrib/announcement? | 23:28 |
| cwidmer | ok | 23:28 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, no no | 23:29 |
| cwidmer | ok, so there are two then | 23:29 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, just one draft to the mailinglist for now | 23:29 |
| @sonney2k | the real stuff will follow once everything is settled | 23:29 |
| cwidmer | ok | 23:29 |
| cwidmer | good | 23:29 |
| @sonney2k | heiko, ? | 23:29 |
| cwidmer | so n4nd0 will set up the draft, sonney2k and I will review before it's send, ok | 23:30 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, oh btw we forgot about the shogun e.V. in the schedule | 23:30 |
| n4nd0 | yeah | 23:30 |
| @sonney2k | we need a slot for this | 23:30 |
| @sonney2k | 30 mins likely | 23:30 |
| cwidmer | what is it about? | 23:31 |
| heiko | re | 23:31 |
| cwidmer | discussion? | 23:31 |
| cwidmer | shouldn't we do this on the second internal day? | 23:31 |
| cwidmer | this is usually the part that external people really skip, as it has little relevance to them | 23:32 |
| heiko | sonney2k, can do | 23:32 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, only issue is that I am not around the day after | 23:32 |
| cwidmer | argh, that's too bad | 23:32 |
| cwidmer | :( | 23:33 |
| @sonney2k | or we do it in the morning or evening before? | 23:33 |
| @sonney2k | I will be killed for that | 23:33 |
| cwidmer | where's the fun in hackathons without sonney2k... shogun will be ported to boost without you knowing :P | 23:33 |
| cwidmer | family obligations? | 23:33 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, directly before summer holidays | 23:34 |
| blackburn | hah | 23:34 |
| blackburn | porting to boost ! | 23:34 |
| cwidmer | hmm | 23:34 |
| cwidmer | should we all meet on the day before then? | 23:34 |
| cwidmer | I don't know, we'll have to see | 23:35 |
| cwidmer | who has time when | 23:35 |
| heiko | I will be in Berlin the day before | 23:35 |
| heiko | probably everybody who travels will be | 23:35 |
| @sonney2k | cwidmer, otherwise we do the shogun e.V. stuff at 10 am | 23:35 |
| heiko | currently having diner so not having an eye on the chat all the time | 23:36 |
| cwidmer | ok, that would work | 23:36 |
| alexlovesdata1 | my coconut tofu soup is ready :) | 23:36 |
| @sonney2k | alright so lets add this to the schedule? | 23:37 |
| blackburn | I am ok to meet around 2 days | 23:37 |
| blackburn | +- :) | 23:37 |
| cwidmer | yeah, I think we should have an additional, possibly more internal but not exclusive day | 23:38 |
| cwidmer | would be too bad if sonney2k couldn't attend | 23:39 |
| alexlovesdata1 | couldn't we prepare the founding of shogun e.V. ? | 23:40 |
| alexlovesdata1 | aka shogun toolbox e.V. | 23:40 |
| alexlovesdata1 | so that we have only little to discuss DURing the day? | 23:40 |
| cwidmer | ok then | 23:40 |
| cwidmer | anything left to discuss? | 23:40 |
| n4nd0 | don't think so | 23:41 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, sure - but who can do that? | 23:41 |
| n4nd0 | I have to re-read what e.V. is again though hehe | 23:41 |
| @sonney2k | would be great if somebody could write up the 'Satzung' | 23:41 |
| alexlovesdata1 | ok writing a Satzung sounds a reasonable job for me ... but I would need to discuss by mail | 23:43 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, heiko could you? | 23:44 |
| @sonney2k | sure | 23:44 |
| @sonney2k | cool cool | 23:44 |
| @sonney2k | I think we are done then | 23:44 |
| cwidmer | alexlovesdata1, sounds great | 23:44 |
| @sonney2k | we should meet after Feb 1st | 23:44 |
| @sonney2k | again | 23:44 |
| cwidmer | ok, how about Feb 2nd | 23:44 |
| cwidmer | same time? | 23:44 |
| @sonney2k | OK with me | 23:44 |
| cwidmer | actually | 23:45 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, n4nd0 ^ | 23:45 |
| cwidmer | feb 3rd would be better for me | 23:45 |
| blackburn | works for me | 23:45 |
| cwidmer | have a visitor on 2nd | 23:45 |
| blackburn | any 1/2/3 | 23:45 |
| @sonney2k | 3rd then? | 23:45 |
| n4nd0 | 3rd yeah | 23:46 |
| n4nd0 | 2nd is bad for me | 23:46 |
| @sonney2k | heiko, ^ | 23:46 |
| @sonney2k | 3rd ok? | 23:46 |
| n4nd0 | I have something on the 3rd starting at 16:00 but I should be done by 21-22 | 23:47 |
| @sonney2k | next meeting will be quick | 23:48 |
| @sonney2k | 15-30mins | 23:48 |
| cwidmer | ok sounds good, this was pretty productive | 23:49 |
| @sonney2k | alright everyone then | 23:49 |
| cwidmer | looking forward to this workshop and to meeting some you guys in person | 23:49 |
| @sonney2k | thanks for the chat | 23:49 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, vodka bottle empty? | 23:49 |
| @sonney2k | my beer is! | 23:49 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: yes dead drunk already :) | 23:49 |
| @sonney2k | everyone cu around on the 3rd! | 23:50 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, time to fix the bug then! | 23:50 |
| blackburn | sonney2k: good idea | 23:50 |
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| cwidmer | ok, see you guys! | 23:51 |
| nando | I am facing some troubles with my connection :S | 23:51 |
| blackburn | see you | 23:51 |
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| alexlovesdata1 | see you in Berlin, the capital of the grumpy people ;) | 23:52 |
| @sonney2k | and homeless people ! | 23:52 |
| @sonney2k | and shoguners! | 23:52 |
| alexlovesdata1 | couldn't you all chat faster ?? :D | 23:52 |
| blackburn | alexlovesdata1: ahah you should check out moscow | 23:52 |
| @sonney2k | alexlovesdata1, no more sex for you now? | 23:53 |
| blackburn | I bet it is much more grumpy | 23:53 |
| @sonney2k | wake her up! | 23:53 |
| blackburn | we all owe you a sex | 23:53 |
| blackburn | :D | 23:53 |
| nando | time for me to go too | 23:53 |
| @sonney2k | blackburn, not sure we are allowed to use shogun money for that ;) | 23:53 |
| @sonney2k | *SCNR* | 23:53 |
| blackburn | haha | 23:53 |
| cwidmer | lool | 23:53 |
| @sonney2k | nando, cu! | 23:53 |
| nando | gn people! it was nice this meeting :) | 23:54 |
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| cwidmer | cu! | 23:54 |
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| heiko | alexlovesdata1, we can do the satzung together | 23:55 |
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